Comics Amazing Spider-Man #561

[Miken Ayers]

Well, all I know is that it's hinted that Mary Jane remembers something/everything, so until we know what that is, I can't really speculate. And even if she does remember that Pete's her true love, maybe she's not aloud to intervene, interfere, etc... because if she does, maybe Aunt May will die, Peter will die, etc... and IF she's not aloud to be with Peter, the man she loves most in the world, that doesn't mean she has to pine over him in a box... remember, Mary Jane's personality has always been to run and hide when the going gets tough (I know that she's progressed enough over the years to fight back), but she might see this as one battle she cannot possibly win, for reasons we don't know yet, so she's moved on as best she can... she even hints in the issue that this isn't her life, etc... but she's playing the part that "she might have asked for"... and maybe a reversion to her party-girl self is her way of getting over the grief that she feels...

It's all specualtion right now, and I know that Marvel is going somewhere with this, so rather than feeling disgusted with all the bed hopping, I'm getting more excited about the possibilities that the near future Spidey stories will bring.

As we all know, there's enough negativity in the world, let's try and be optimistic for a change.

I am.

Cheers,

Mike

I'm not gonna try and be optimistic by paying for something I don't enjoy. With comics it's overwhelming negativity from fans that get's stuff done.

 

[farmernudie]

carnagee: The idea of MJ in bed if she knows SHOULD bother you. Not even because "It's MJ, she's a saint" or anything like that, but because it's HORRIBLE writing/direction. A person who KNOWS thier one true love is out there, who it is, and that they were together in the past just jumps in bed with another character without even first trying to win her real guy back??????? That doesn't make any sort of logical/emotional sense whatsoever.

So this writing can go two ways: She remembers everything, and doesn't try to win Pete back: This is asinine, because if you know your one true love (the books words, not even mine) is out there, not even trying to win him back is stupid. Or: She has a plan to win Pete back. Which is also stupid, becuase the whole point of this is to NOT have them be together.

It's also bad writing from a "she knows a little bit" perspective.
Two reasons again: 1) If she knows a little, good writing says that because they are going to mention it, something will cfome of it. IE: MJ goes on a mission to find how she knows what she knows. If this leads nowhere, it's bad writing, because why even have it in there in the first place???

2) Again, if it does lead to them being reunited, it defeats the entire purpose of BND.

I can see why you like the stories with the villains and supporting cast and what not. I can't see how you accept this horrible writing direction that is happening.

Thanks, that how I feel and what i've been trying to say.

The point of all this is to get away from the marriage and to seperate them..so why blatantly do you (marvel) want to keep reminding people of the worst/most controversial storyline ever and this awkward and (gross) situation we now find these characters in?? Totally out of character and stupid imo.

Not only does this not feel like the Peter and MJ I've grown up with...they've made it so i cannot in any way relate to MY FAVORITE superhero of all time. I've collected this from the beginning...it really cheeses me off that they've made me look at someone i've always admired and now i think..."loser and bum"...to put it nicely. I've never looked at this character as negatively as i do now. Never.

I mean, at least with clone saga, the only other time i stopped, it wasn't because i was mad at the character, that was just MArvel, for negating all their stories and telling fans we've been reading about a fake clone all these years.

This time however they've turned Pete into a hobo, a bum, a jerk, a selfish loser. And i sure hope MJ does NOT remember...or else this is just totally SICK...being married...i find it sick (and unrelatable) to be magically divorced by satan, which isn't legal (ha) and then maybe one of us remembering our deal with satan and not trying to fix our marriage that was altered in time but i remember?! And the villians don't remember their motives anymore (that knew pete. People's memories don't make sense and are only partially there and no one cares in the whole world or has mentioned it. PEople remember but don't remember. This whole reboot the more i think about it is just so poorly thought out and just....dumb. Sorry.

They could have had spidey joke and whatever, and introduced some new villians with him married. It is all how the writers write it. What's the point here now??

 

[carnageehw]

Well, all I know is that it's hinted that Mary Jane remembers something/everything, so until we know what that is, I can't really speculate. And even if she does remember that Pete's her true love, maybe she's not aloud to intervene, interfere, etc... because if she does, maybe Aunt May will die, Peter will die, etc...

Well,,, I have never thought about that. At least it would make some sort of logical sense. Although it would still be counter productive to new stories. The company is trying to move on, yet you have readers, and (possibly) a main character that remembers everything that happened before. The constant reminder would only serve to show the audience that the "married" way is the "proper" reality.

As we all know, there's enough negativity in the world, let's try and be optimistic for a change.

Au contrare, Spider-man is about the ONLY thing in my life that I'm negative towards right now. Happy Go Lucky FTW.

 

[Styleshift]

The pic is my grandmother (see sig) I'm a dude.

And you're not being completely honest. We haven't been criticized? C'mon. A lot of these threads descend into nothing but that. I'm not whining about it. I'm a big boy. I'm happy with my opinion.

You say the character has been regressed. I say the character has stagnated for the last twenty years. And if it takes a little regression to move forward, so be it. (By the way, I don't think it is. But even if it is, I'm fine with it.)

And you don't really mean that last statement do you? Because that's just flat out rationalizing.

Oh...I see. well she looks nice.

but I AM being completely honest. if there are a few pin heads out there that do it for no reason than I apologize right now for them.

But I have to say...there are many reasons that we don't like BND. and it's not just being sad that the marriage is gone. If it were written out in a well given story and not alluded to than I'm sure there wouldn't be as much rage. about 7 crap event stories in a row says these guys don't care anymore to some fans.

as for fans that DO enjoy the married spidey,
You guys may not see it this way. but 20 years is a long time, in that time the marriage HAS garnered fans. marvel knows this. it's taken them 4 times now (including omd) to erase it.

For some fans taking out the marriage was like taking out wolverine's adamantium claws and saying we're not going back. but constantly alluding to it in future issues with statements and scenes in the panels.

BND more than anything else has split us in half...i've never seen THIS much controversy on a book and that makes me sad.

 

[Styleshift]

I'm not gonna try and be optimistic by paying for something I don't enjoy. With comics it's overwhelming negativity from fans that get's stuff done.

Than don't buy it. He's not trying to tell you to buy it. he's saying wait for the real damage to be done before calling ahead on it, because they haven't shown all there cards just yet.

I don't agree with BND either but thats what the man's saying...just hear him out.

 

[iloveclones]

Thanks, she was the bees knees.

Well, all I can say is I love it right now. More than anytime since maybe the 80s. I really am sorry that the direction causes bad feelings, but all I can do is to say that I like it, and why.

I think the whole thing about MJ in the recent story was not to "flaunt" her in front of disaffected fans, but to put a period on the marriage. That sickening feeling that you guys are feeling is probably intended to make you feel like the marriage won't be coming back. MJ has moved on. I forget what she said on her last panel, but I got the feeling Slottsy was telling us that we won't be seeing her for a while. But she'll be back.

 

[Styleshift]

Thanks, she was the bees knees.

Well, all I can say is I love it right now. More than anytime since maybe the 80s. I really am sorry that the direction causes bad feelings, but all I can do is to say that I like it, and why.

I think the whole thing about MJ in the recent story was not to "flaunt" her in front of disaffected fans, but to put a period on the marriage. That sickening feeling that you guys are feeling is probably intended to make you feel like the marriage won't be coming back. MJ has moved on. I forget what she said on her last panel, but I got the feeling Slottsy was telling us that we won't be seeing her for a while. But she'll be back.

If your (marvel mind you ) going to bring something back in to put the official end to it, don't riddle the book with clues and enigmas that allude to the past when fans are already upset about this.

Truth be told Mj hasn't moved on. she kept saying in another life, and she put her hand on the monitor in an affectionate way for Spidey. not only that but she clearly stated to bobby the same thing about this not being her life. which suggests the married way is the correct way, when they've been saying other wise for so long. (plus Mj returns in New ways to die that comes out soon.)

I like stories that are controversial, i'm not just some guy that nit picks because something i don't like happened. just like the whole xorn plot in x-men. I loved his character and was initially upset. but it WAS a well written story.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Than don't buy it. He's not trying to tell you to buy it. he's saying wait for the real damage to be done before calling ahead on it, because they haven't shown all there cards just yet.

I don't agree with BND either but thats what the man's saying...just hear him out.

I have heard him out with his insults to people that don't agree with him and crying foul whenever you return the favor. And there's nothing wrong with not playing all your cards at first with a story as long as you don't piss people off the second the new status quo is introduced. This is like the monkey sex issue of Powers. Bendis kept saying "I'm going somewhere with this." Which he was. However at least make the story entertaining, and don't expect people to be patient to be entertained. Comics are still released on an issue to issue basis, so if you're not gonna tell people how it is right away you gotta tread lightly so they're not turned off the second Peter wakes back up at his Aunt' house.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Well, i've been giving it some thought and maybe MJ DOESN'T remember the pre-OMD reality after all. Her dialogue (and choice of reading material) could all have been for our benefit, and the other life she mentioned was probably referencing her and Peter's previous relationship (unmarried, post-BND).

Also, no one commented on my theory of Sara having identity issues? I'm disappointed.

 

[Styleshift]

I have heard him out with his insults to people that don't agree with him and crying foul whenever you return the favor. And there's nothing wrong with not playing all your cards at first with a story as long as you don't piss people off the second the new status quo is introduced. This is like the monkey sex issue of Powers. Bendis kept saying "I'm going somewhere with this." Which he was. However at least make the story entertaining, and don't expect people to be patient to be entertained. Comics are still released on an issue to issue basis, so if you're not gonna tell people how it is right away you gotta tread lightly so they're not turned off the second Peter wakes back up at his Aunt' house.

True, and thats exactly what I hate about BND. the fact that its completely TORN the fan base down the middle.

even if their not going back to it, they shouldn't poke at it with OBVIOUS references to OMD.

Look at The Spectacular Spider-man. That's quality story telling and they show they ARE concerned about the fans.

 

[carnageehw]

as for fans that DO enjoy the married spidey,
You guys may not see it this way. but 20 years is a long time, in that time the marriage HAS garnered fans. marvel knows this. it's taken them 4 times now (including omd) to erase it.

I'm not quite the historian you guys are, so I can only remember 3, but the problem with them, is that every single time....they do a half assed job. As if they KNOW they will have to bring it back.

The MJ stalker thing (mackie)....everyone KNEW she was alive, because the shot of the plane blowing up had the airplane door falling off. Anyone with half a brain could guess that that's how MJ wasn't on the plane.

The second was what, the clone saga? Well, that was simple enough. No on on earth could thnk that they would just have Pete and Mj walk off into the sunset forever. Especially with clones, it's simple to say "oops, tampered evicence." So even though the Ben stuff was written to ignore Pete and Mj, you still thought they could come back at any time.

Now OMD, where the readers know they are "meant to be", we think MJ knows all or most of everything, and the "devil" scenario is easy enough to retcon. MAGIC! POOF! Back to normal.


So your reading all these stories about a "single" spidey, all while knowing there is an easy, likley way everything is going to be put back to normal. It's impossible to move on.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, i've been giving it some thought and maybe MJ DOESN'T remember the pre-OMD reality after all. Her dialogue (and choice of reading material) could all have been for our benefit, and the other life she mentioned was probably referencing her and Peter's previous relationship (unmarried, post-BND).

Also, no one commented on my theory of Sara having identity issues? I'm disappointed.

That's what I've been thinking, but I really think I could be wrong. Though, the ripped up part of newspaper on the cover if Issue #561 shows a picture of MJ and Jackpot "Striking similarities".

 

[Styleshift]

I'm not quite the historian you guys are, so I can only remember 3, but the problem with them, is that every single time....they do a half assed job. As if they KNOW they will have to bring it back.

The MJ stalker thing (mackie)....everyone KNEW she was alive, because the shot of the plane blowing up had the airplane door falling off. Anyone with half a brain could guess that that's how MJ wasn't on the plane.

The second was what, the clone saga? Well, that was simple enough. No on on earth could thnk that they would just have Pete and Mj walk off into the sunset forever. Especially with clones, it's simple to say "oops, tampered evicence." So even though the Ben stuff was written to ignore Pete and Mj, you still thought they could come back at any time.

Now OMD, where the readers know they are "meant to be", we think MJ knows all or most of everything, and the "devil" scenario is easy enough to retcon. MAGIC! POOF! Back to normal.


So your reading all these stories about a "single" spidey, all while knowing there is an easy, likley way everything is going to be put back to normal. It's impossible to move on.

When I said 4. I took the separation into consideration.
because at that time fans were still demanding they be brought back together.

 

[Themanofbat]

I have heard him out with his insults to people that don't agree with him and crying foul whenever you return the favor. And there's nothing wrong with not playing all your cards at first with a story as long as you don't piss people off the second the new status quo is introduced. This is like the monkey sex issue of Powers. Bendis kept saying "I'm going somewhere with this." Which he was. However at least make the story entertaining, and don't expect people to be patient to be entertained. Comics are still released on an issue to issue basis, so if you're not gonna tell people how it is right away you gotta tread lightly so they're not turned off the second Peter wakes back up at his Aunt' house.

Now, now Mikey... I don't typically insult people (though I have on occasion), but I thought you and I had burried the hatchet, so there's no need to blast me for things I don't normally do.

Thanks for your time...

Hugs'n Kisses...

Mike

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, i've been giving it some thought and maybe MJ DOESN'T remember the pre-OMD reality after all. Her dialogue (and choice of reading material) could all have been for our benefit, and the other life she mentioned was probably referencing her and Peter's previous relationship (unmarried, post-BND).

Also, no one commented on my theory of Sara having identity issues? I'm disappointed.

That is a possibility... I mean, maybe she still remembers his identity and their now "non-married" pre-OMD relationship, which would now be as a couple "living together"...

See? Whether or not the fan base is half pissed or half happy, at least were all talking about the book, which means that something is happening in the book, and that generally translates to better sales...

No discussion at all, would simply mean the book is prosaic & dull...

 

[farmernudie]

Lots of people are talking a lot about the soaring gas prices too (and have been). Nothings being done about it at all either, nor has been.

Point is, lots of talk about something doesn't make it "good".

We need some action.

We need cheaper gas. And i don't mean discount beans and weenies.

We need Spidey to return to the hero and guy that he really is also, as well as a timeline that hasn't been altered.

 

[Themanofbat]

Lots of people are talking a lot about the soaring gas prices too (and have been). Nothings being done about it at all either, nor has been.

Point is, lots of talk about something doesn't make it "good".

We need some action.

We need cheaper gas. And i don't mean discount beans and weenies.

We need Spidey to return to the hero and guy that he really is also, as well as a timeline that hasn't been altered.

You know, in my part of the world, I pay about $5.20 per US gallon, and I doubt I'll ever see below $3.85 per US gallon again... once the public gets accustomed to paying high prices, they never go down...

I never said that a lot of talk makes it "good", but in the greater scheme of things, a lot of talk is better than no talk at all, because it means that something is happening in the book, whether it's good or not (and the term "good vs bad" will always be subjective, in my opinion).

The bottom line is that you'll probably get the discount beans'n weanies long before you'll see the changes you want in ASM and cheaper gas.

 

[farmernudie]

Yeh, we're $4.17 here.

THe thing is, lots of people at work aren't taking their typical vacations...don't want to spend the money on gas.

It seems, lots of things are gonna be hurtin' as people are not gonna travel as much until something is done.

We really need to stop depending on foreign oil and drill our own where we can. Tired of dems and repubs just talkin' and doin' nothing about it.

At any rate...i actually think we'll see a fixed Spidey and spidey timeline before we see gas i can afford. My truck never sees "full" anymore.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Now, now Mikey... I don't typically insult people (though I have on occasion), but I thought you and I had burried the hatchet, so there's no need to blast me for things I don't normally do.

Thanks for your time...

Hugs'n Kisses...

Mike

Fair enough. Hugs and kisses back...but no tongue.

 

[Themanofbat]

Fair enough. Hugs and kisses back...but no tongue.

Yes... definitely no tongues....



t: t:

 

[Styleshift]

you 2 get a room...lol.

anyways, bottom line is. I liked the Spider tracer killer plot. its the only thing i find interesting in BND and I am looking forward to being resolved. The Jackpot thing seemed nice...until Mj was in bed with Bobby Carr. However I do want OMD resolution. let's get this controversy over with now marvel!

I've lost alot of respect for Adult Spidey. My brother had a field day (he's a superman fan and says to me that he is better) when he found out what is going on in the recent comics.

At least we've still got the Spectacular Spider-man.... very complex and logical story...no magic involved.

Even with the kiddy cartoon look and the fact that he's only 16....he makes far better choices than Paparazzi Pete his so-called adult counter part.

There was a strong message in the episode today that showed why peters first selfish mistake money gaining would be his last and that his will to put others first is his strongest strength. (remember a little story called the master planner?)

 

[Cullen]

I'm not gonna try and be optimistic by paying for something I don't enjoy. With comics it's overwhelming negativity from fans that get's stuff done.

Which was why "Sins Past" no longer exists in Continuity.

Right?

Right?

Tell me all of my HATRED AND RAGE wasn't for nothing! Please!

 

[Styleshift]

Which was why "Sins Past" no longer exists in Continuity.

Right?

Right?

Tell me all of my HATRED AND RAGE wasn't for nothing! Please!

I'm sorry my friend...
but everything "still happened" except for the marriage.

it has already been confirmed because pete made a reference to the gray goblin in one issue and norman made a reference to well....you know him and gwens "sins past" in an issue of thunderbolts...

 

[carnageehw]

I'm sorry my friend...
but everything "still happened" except for the marriage.

it has already been confirmed because pete made a reference to the gray goblin in one issue and norman made a reference to well....you know him and gwens "sins past" in an issue of thunderbolts...

The great thing about comics is that, most of the time, I can just pretend a story I didn't like, didn't happen. Especially if there are no ongoing reprecussions.

So I had wiped out Sins Past, and just kept on with my life


Untill they mentioned it again! Gah! It's so hard to forget!

 

[Dark Spidey]

Brand New Day RULES.

...that is all.