Comics Amazing Spider-Man #561

[Venom 1988]

Oh yea of course, cuz that was the point I was trying to make

Please

 

[iloveclones]

I would kind of appreciate it if he YouTubed it....

 

[Doc Destruction]

You would, ya freak

 

[Themanofbat]

I would kind of appreciate it if he YouTubed it....

Same here... I could use a good laugh... t: t:

Before you do it... please shave your testies... nothing worse than pubes getting caught in the grater...

 

[USMC]

That's true...

 

[Styleshift]

wow...
go away for a couple of hours...and you just gotta love how these threads will change up on ya! haha

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I agree %100.

Whatever....like I mentioned, MJ being misrepresented isn't my main problem. It's Spidey being a d**k. He was very unlikable at times during this storyline. I get that some people are going head over heals for this, but how can anyone support how the character is being written. Dan Slott is a hell of a writer and the concept behind the villain was also pretty cool in my eyes....but, Spider-man/Peter Parker really needs some work.

Being a part of this whole paparazzi deal? Yea....that's really Peter....

Yeah, when I said Pete wasn't even like his 70's self, I meant his general loser persona he has in this BND. This paparazzi stuff, takes it to a whole new level! I strongly have to disagree with those who like this BND direction that say the writers really know the character. This clearly shows they DON'T know the character.

Now, I know you are entitled to your opinion, so I am cool with that. But, surely, even those enjoying BND see them straying further and further from Pete's character.

And I understand that MJ might just be sad because she just remembers dating Pete (and he's Spidey) and not the whole erased marriage thing, but still, the idea of her in bed with that guy just make this long time fan (since the early 70's) sad. If she does remember "everything," that makes her actions all the worse!

Wait! I know! The whole BND is meant to get new readers and be more kid friendly! That's why she is hopping in the sack with that guy! Makes sense now!

 

[farmernudie]

I agree with Spider-Gnome....if MJ DOES remember she is married and what happened before...than that makes this story even grosser...having her in bed with him.

Either way, the trouble with this reboot is that even tho the comic people supposedly don't remember, we do.

And the other problem is, all the winks and nods to the past, as others have stated. So, it is either rubbing it in blatantly....or MJ actually DOES remember and that makes this whole thing even sicker.

And again, as others have stated, move on with their alternate timeline here and alternate history and stop reminding us readers of the devil's magical marriage dissolution or else fix the timeline and lets not have it get creepy with MJ dating and in bed withboyfriends while knowing she is/was married, depending on how legal devil marriage-annulment is.

And lastly, i agree, this is NOT kid friendly...because the 3 kids that may have picked up the new single spidey book here, are gonna read back issues at some point, i hope, and see that they are married and supposed to be together...and that now they're out doing things with others besides their husband/or wife.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, when I said Pete wasn't even like his 70's self, I meant his general loser persona he has in this BND. This paparazzi stuff, takes it to a whole new level! I strongly have to disagree with those who like this BND direction that say the writers really know the character. This clearly shows they DON'T know the character.

Now, I know you are entitled to your opinion, so I am cool with that. But, surely, even those enjoying BND see them straying further and further from Pete's character.

And I understand that MJ might just be sad because she just remembers dating Pete (and he's Spidey) and not the whole erased marriage thing, but still, the idea of her in bed with that guy just make this long time fan (since the early 70's) sad. If she does remember "everything," that makes her actions all the worse!

Wait! I know! The whole BND is meant to get new readers and be more kid friendly! That's why she is hopping in the sack with that guy! Makes sense now!

Why would making Peter a paparazzi photographer for all of 3 issues mean that the writers don't have a grasp on his character?

He was tempted by the money, and soon saw the error of his ways... that's a typical Peter Parker thing that we've seen in various forms in the last 46 years of Spider-Man... he's not perfect and he makes mistakes, and the best part about his character is that he learns from them... like he did in this recent storyline...

And whether MJ knows or not is not clear, but even if she did, she has her reasons for keeping quiet, and the idea that she was in bed with another fella doesn't bother THIS long time Spidey fan (since the early 70's), so I'd suggest ya get a backbone because these are comics.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Let me say, I am one of those that is 110% against OMD. I gave BND a chance, thinking they will eventually retcon it (hopefully).

While initially interesting, I always felt like an empty pit in my stomach while reading it. Lately, I feel the series has not been good. None of the new villains are really interesting (Menace isn't even a good Hobgoblin, and I hate Freak), and regressing Pete is awful. He didn't even act like that in the 70's!

But, now, I agree that it looks like MJ remembers "everything." So seeing her climb into bed with that guy just made my heart sink. It is just uncomfortable reading this stuff.

I really can't agree that they are writing Spidey well again. You want to see Spider-Man handled properly? Watch The Spectacular Spider-Man on Saturday mornings. Thank goodness for that show! Please retcon this stuff and sweep this Brand New Day under the carpet.

Sorry, if this was a rant. I know we are suppose to stick to stuff in this issue. This is basically a response to MJ in this issue being in this relationship while seeming to remember "everything."

My thoughts exactly, Gnome.

MJ remembers...but is banging another guy?

 

[Miken Ayers]

Mary Jane isn't Mary Jane. Mary Jane is Mephisto. Sara Ehret is Mary Jane. And the book is heading back in to Stupidville. Gonna read next week's issue tomorrow where they finally start to tie up this ******ed spider tracer child molester subplot.

Ooh there's someone else dressing up as Spider-Man in the ads. That'll get back the 40% of the readers that left.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Mary Jane isn't Mary Jane. Mary Jane is Mephisto. Sara Ehret is Mary Jane.

That would actually be pretty cool. I certainly hope there's some sort of method to all this madness.

Regardless; that was the final straw for me. At least for the forerseeable future.

 

[Miken Ayers]

That would actually be pretty cool. I certainly hope there's some sort of method to all this madness.

Regardless; that was the final straw for me. At least for the forerseeable future.

Supposedly they're gonna "fill the gap" between OMD's kiss and BND's Peter waking up naked next to Aunt May. Tom Brevoort claims the rug hasn't been pulled from under us as much as we think. I claim that I believe this is back peddling and pleading to all those they wronged.

Step in the right direction. Showing the haters might be wearing them down.

 

[iloveclones]

He was tempted by the money, and soon saw the error of his ways... that's a typical Peter Parker thing that we've seen in various forms in the last 46 years of Spider-Man... he's not perfect and he makes mistakes, and the best part about his character is that he learns from them... like he did in this recent storyline...

That's funny to me that people are complaining about that. I mean, he was going to work for someone that he KNEW was the Green Goblin.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Why would making Peter a paparazzi photographer for all of 3 issues mean that the writers don't have a grasp on his character?

He was tempted by the money, and soon saw the error of his ways... that's a typical Peter Parker thing that we've seen in various forms in the last 46 years of Spider-Man... he's not perfect and he makes mistakes, and the best part about his character is that he learns from them... like he did in this recent storyline...

And whether MJ knows or not is not clear, but even if she did, she has her reasons for keeping quiet, and the idea that she was in bed with another fella doesn't bother THIS long time Spidey fan (since the early 70's), so I'd suggest ya get a backbone because these are comics.

I think at this point in his life (pre-reboot, I guess) and post Princess Di, Pete would know the sleaziness of what he was doing.

But, just in general, Pete seems even MORE hopeless during BND than he ever was in his single years of the 70's.

And I do have a backbone, thank you very much for the insult. I know it is just a comic. I can't help thinking about the situation, and thinking how sickening the situation is (even though Pete is unaware of it). Like I said, I've been reading Spidey since the early 70's, so I guess I'm invested in the character. (Not to get into an argument with you, I know you are also a longtime reader and also most likely invested. Just telling you my feelings.)

 

[ragingdemon155]

That would actually be pretty cool. I certainly hope there's some sort of method to all this madness.

Regardless; that was the final straw for me. At least for the forerseeable future.

Man Cap...
I decide to give BND one more shot and now it seems like your hopping off. I don't know, I tried to get back into ASM with this paper doll storyline and it was solid at best. But this whole MJ situation is really throwing me off. How the hell can she actually be with someone else if she supposedly remembers?

Oh and one more thing, people keep on saying that this is how Spider-man acted back in the 60's and 70's and so on...That this is "True" Spider-man. Um, what comics were you guys reading? The guy has been acting like a rookie and a d**k. This is not Spider-man.

Feels weird....Dropping ASM when BND started, than trying to hop back on board hearing that MJ returned and now thinking about dropping it again after reading some of this crap. Jeez...

Well, ASG comes out next week..I'm happy.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Man Cap...
I decide to give BND one more shot and now it seems like your hopping off.

For now, yes. Just doesnt interest me anymore.

No one can say i didnt give it a shot though.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

For now, yes. Just doesnt interest me anymore.

No one can say i didnt give it a shot though.

You know, Cap, when I lurked, I always looked to see what you would say because we seem to be around the same age and started collecting around the same time. You usually seemed the level head and we shared pretty much the same view points.

You gave OMD the benefit of the doubt, when I started to get a bad feeling. I was happy when you finally seemed as outraged as I was.

I, like you, gave BND a chance. I was surprised you seemed pretty much behind it. The stories seemed like they were trying to get back to basics, but I still had that nagging empty feeling due to how we got here and what we lost. Then I started to slowly see the stories go downhill. Pete acted like a bigger loser than he ever was in the 70's (I use the 70's, since this seemed to be the point they wanted to bring the character back to). The villains were not that interesting. The art for the first arc was very good, but lately it was slipping (For the record, I can kinda see the recent art as Ditko-esqe, though it looks closer to Spider-Man: Blue, not really a bad thing).

But now, I see we again see eye to eye with the direction of comic. Sadly, I am weak. I suffered through the Clone Saga, even though I swore I should quit. But, I felt they just had to correct things. Luckily they did (I actually didn't mind Norman's return, since he is my all-time favorite Spidey villain). And for the record, as much as I hated the Clone Saga for what it was suppose to do - make Spidey single - it at least had logic!

So, again I feel, they have to correct this OMD/BND mess. I think not only do they need to return the status quo, they need to come up with a retcon to explain how Pete & MJ would EVER make such a deal with Mephisto.

 

[Kevin]

I'm really liking BND.

 

[carnageehw]

Why would making Peter a paparazzi photographer for all of 3 issues mean that the writers don't have a grasp on his character?

Just gonna gree with you here before i disagree: Pete as a paparazzi doesn't bother me that much. Whatever, It's something small that's can be easily rectified with decent story for those that hate it. We've all been through worse stories.

And whether MJ knows or not is not clear, but even if she did, she has her reasons for keeping quiet, and the idea that she was in bed with another fella doesn't bother THIS long time Spidey fan (since the early 70's), so I'd suggest ya get a backbone because these are comics.

The idea of MJ in bed if she knows SHOULD bother you. Not even because "It's MJ, she's a saint" or anything like that, but because it's HORRIBLE writing/direction. A person who KNOWS thier one true love is out there, who it is, and that they were together in the past just jumps in bed with another character without even first trying to win her real guy back??????? That doesn't make any sort of logical/emotional sense whatsoever.

So this writing can go two ways: She remembers everything, and doesn't try to win Pete back: This is asinine, because if you know your one true love (the books words, not even mine) is out there, not even trying to win him back is stupid. Or: She has a plan to win Pete back. Which is also stupid, becuase the whole point of this is to NOT have them be together.

It's also bad writing from a "she knows a little bit" perspective.
Two reasons again: 1) If she knows a little, good writing says that because they are going to mention it, something will cfome of it. IE: MJ goes on a mission to find how she knows what she knows. If this leads nowhere, it's bad writing, because why even have it in there in the first place???

2) Again, if it does lead to them being reunited, it defeats the entire purpose of BND.

I can see why you like the stories with the villains and supporting cast and what not. I can't see how you accept this horrible writing direction that is happening.

 

[Kevin]

You know, even if MJ does know everything, she has a right to move on. In our time, they just separated 4 months ago. In the book, some time has supposedly passed. We don't know, so all anyone is basing anything on is their personal feelings. I love MJ, I was at first angered when we found out about her and Carr, but so what. They're not together (Peter and MJ) And supposedly haven't been for a while.

 

[ragingdemon155]

For now, yes. Just doesnt interest me anymore.

No one can say i didnt give it a shot though.

I know you did. So did I. I collected the first arc from Slott and thought it was decent. Now I've collected the Paper Doll arc and thought it was..."decent". See the theme here? A whole lot of decent. I'm sorry...but after everything that has gone down, Marvel needs to hit me up with more then just decent. Man I really want to like BND cause, I need my Spider-man fix. But I'm a die hard Peter/MJ fan.

More then that...I'm a diehard Spider-man fan and this is not the Spider-man I've come to love.

I'll most likely drop ASM once again.....then probably pick it up again some issues later when something interests me. Heh, my favorite character in complete limbo to me right now.

On the bright side, Marvel has other titles clicking so well right now that at times I don't even miss ASM at all.

 

[Styleshift]

That's funny to me that people are complaining about that. I mean, he was going to work for someone that he KNEW was the Green Goblin.

dude...or dudette....which ever you prefer.
I know there are some fans "like myself" that do not appreciate the moves taken in Spider-man. but like you, love it or hate it we are still voicing our opinions about this issue.

but the thing about it is we don't criticize you guys for liking a regressed and repetitive story telling as a whole. I myself actually enjoyed some key aspects of it. Like his sense of humor.

We're not upset solely for the marriage. it was just the icing on the cake.
we're not here to just complain. because in the past yes people have complained over story arcs that are now appreciated. but those arcs have all pushed the character FORWARD not backwards. the reason why we're upset is because not only are we given stories that could have worked within the marriage. but we're getting poked with little nods to it and gestures to make us feel like its coming back.

Besides if you want to bring the goblin into it. Norman still ran a legit business. you can work for evil people and not be contributing to anything bad.

 

[iloveclones]

The pic is my grandmother (see sig) I'm a dude.

And you're not being completely honest. We haven't been criticized? C'mon. A lot of these threads descend into nothing but that. I'm not whining about it. I'm a big boy. I'm happy with my opinion.

You say the character has been regressed. I say the character has stagnated for the last twenty years. And if it takes a little regression to move forward, so be it. (By the way, I don't think it is. But even if it is, I'm fine with it.)

And you don't really mean that last statement do you? Because that's just flat out rationalizing.

 

[Themanofbat]

The idea of MJ in bed if she knows SHOULD bother you. Not even because "It's MJ, she's a saint" or anything like that, but because it's HORRIBLE writing/direction. A person who KNOWS thier one true love is out there, who it is, and that they were together in the past just jumps in bed with another character without even first trying to win her real guy back??????? That doesn't make any sort of logical/emotional sense whatsoever.

So this writing can go two ways: She remembers everything, and doesn't try to win Pete back: This is asinine, because if you know your one true love (the books words, not even mine) is out there, not even trying to win him back is stupid. Or: She has a plan to win Pete back. Which is also stupid, becuase the whole point of this is to NOT have them be together.

It's also bad writing from a "she knows a little bit" perspective.
Two reasons again: 1) If she knows a little, good writing says that because they are going to mention it, something will cfome of it. IE: MJ goes on a mission to find how she knows what she knows. If this leads nowhere, it's bad writing, because why even have it in there in the first place???

2) Again, if it does lead to them being reunited, it defeats the entire purpose of BND.

I can see why you like the stories with the villains and supporting cast and what not. I can't see how you accept this horrible writing direction that is happening.

Well, all I know is that it's hinted that Mary Jane remembers something/everything, so until we know what that is, I can't really speculate. And even if she does remember that Pete's her true love, maybe she's not aloud to intervene, interfere, etc... because if she does, maybe Aunt May will die, Peter will die, etc... and IF she's not aloud to be with Peter, the man she loves most in the world, that doesn't mean she has to pine over him in a box... remember, Mary Jane's personality has always been to run and hide when the going gets tough (I know that she's progressed enough over the years to fight back), but she might see this as one battle she cannot possibly win, for reasons we don't know yet, so she's moved on as best she can... she even hints in the issue that this isn't her life, etc... but she's playing the part that "she might have asked for"... and maybe a reversion to her party-girl self is her way of getting over the grief that she feels...

It's all specualtion right now, and I know that Marvel is going somewhere with this, so rather than feeling disgusted with all the bed hopping, I'm getting more excited about the possibilities that the near future Spidey stories will bring.

As we all know, there's enough negativity in the world, let's try and be optimistic for a change.

I am.

Cheers,

Mike