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Comics Amazing Spider-Man #600 discussion thread

Once you turn 40, you're pretty much the same year after year. But i appreciate the benefit of the doubt....

I am not a big believer in these stories too closely mirroring real life. They are amped up reality. So although there are things I want and expect from myself and those around me in terms of growth, that is not really what I want from fictional characters. Especially in a continuing medium.

And as far as Betty Brant goes, I've seen her more in the last year than I did in the last 10 previous. So she's not really the best example. Frankly, that was really one of JMS' weak points, how he narrowed the focus to Peter, May, and eventually, MJ. I think BND has steadily tried to increase the supporting cast. And if you don't like 'em, blow 'em up and start again. Except Jonah. Never blow up Jonah.
 
Don't get snide, if this fella was knocking Spider-Man for being a liferaping devil dealer you would have knocked him down with a lot worse and you know it in your black evil little heart.

LOL thats good ol TMOB for ya. but we love him anyways. :woot:
 
Once you turn 40, you're pretty much the same year after year. But i appreciate the benefit of the doubt....

I am not a big believer in these stories too closely mirroring real life. They are amped up reality. So although there are things I want and expect from myself and those around me in terms of growth, that is not really what I want from fictional characters. Especially in a continuing medium.

And as far as Betty Brant goes, I've seen her more in the last year than I did in the last 10 previous. So she's not really the best example. Frankly, that was really one of JMS' weak points, how he narrowed the focus to Peter, May, and eventually, MJ. I think BND has steadily tried to increase the supporting cast. And if you don't like 'em, blow 'em up and start again. Except Jonah. Never blow up Jonah.

I loved JMS' run until he started forcing that other crap on us. I also didn't like the Gwen Stacy story.
I think JMS' problem is that he didn't really have too much knowledge of what was going on previous to what he had written. (My idea is that he was only "fairly" knowledgeable) I like to compare him to Kevin Smith's run on Daredevil.

I guess deep down, I don't want to get attached to yet another supporting cast for them to just "magically" disappear.
I for one am so glad Vin is written out of the picture. He was plain horrible and at least they gave him an exit. I strongly agree with you on the BND cast. They have reduced the uninteresting characters when needed instead of trying to milk them when they arent working in the first place.

I don't know about everyone but for me personally, I just don't see years passing without me knowing whats going on with my close circle of friends. I like some of these cast members.

I guess that's why so many people are outraged by One more day. Peter has become such a real character. He's been written so well over the years that its like saying hello to an old friend when picking up an issue.

So when you force this character guy out of character, and make him make decisions you just know he would not make for many good reasons.
Yeah, that burns. I've calmed down on my pro-bnd stance quite a bit.

I'm more relaxed and I just want good stories at this point. I like American son. The ball is rolling and thats all I want. What I'm really interested in seeing is how fans react when Mj enters the picture again and isn't married to Peter.
 
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I was thinking about past/future...and while personally debating buying #600....i was thinking how sad it is to have this special issue transpire during the Ultimate Ultimate phase in Spider-Man history.

Regardless of your opinion of this reboot, we all know, i think, that this reboot will at some point, sooner or later, be rebooted back to regular continuity & this devil created world (the new Mystery Wiper) and this noobish Spidey-Man (I've a spider sense-let's figure how to use it-WOW!) will all be forgotten, like Cone Saga before it.

So honestly speaking, #600, no matter how good or bad it is, will be forgotten and a mute point when viewed....historically.

This is sad. It is too bad really, this is truly a special milestone, that will have no weight when we look back at this time perioid in spidey folk-lore one day, and the devil's BND World will be seen as a bad experiment that shouldn't have happened just like Clone Saga is seen now.

Editors in interviews trash Clone Saga all the time now, at MArvel...tho once they hyped it up as the best thing ever seen sliced bread. Same as BND reboot now...it is all currently hype and spiffy terrific. Despite the fan loss and fan outcry. One day when put into PERSPECTIVE, #600 will have been a pointless waste, since it is out of continuity. Although i know some will debate that, this reboot is what it is: An alternate history and timeline created by the devil so Joe could quickly get rid of the marriage, but story and character be damned.
 
I might add...#400 was a good milestone issue....that is mostly revered by those that read it, but is tarnished by it's undoing persay afterward.

#600 will be the reverse actually...because it will have took place in an un-done world rebooted to BEGIN with.

Just my thoughts.
 
I personally think if they somehow "find out" about the marriage being "erased", it still won't undo what's been done... continuity as we know it has come and gone with everything having a valid explanation, so even IF everybody finds out about "what" happened, Marvel won't go back in time and pretend that 2 or 3 years worth of comics never happened.

Just my thoughts.

:yay:
 
I personally think if they somehow "find out" about the marriage being "erased", it still won't undo what's been done... continuity as we know it has come and gone with everything having a valid explanation, so even IF everybody finds out about "what" happened, Marvel won't go back in time and pretend that 2 or 3 years worth of comics never happened.

Just my thoughts.

:yay:

Not when they could get a whole new wedding out of it by just having them (re-)marry!
 
I was thinking about past/future...and while personally debating buying #600....i was thinking how sad it is to have this special issue transpire during the Ultimate Ultimate phase in Spider-Man history.

Regardless of your opinion of this reboot, we all know, i think, that this reboot will at some point, sooner or later, be rebooted back to regular continuity & this devil created world (the new Mystery Wiper) and this noobish Spidey-Man (I've a spider sense-let's figure how to use it-WOW!) will all be forgotten, like Cone Saga before it.

So honestly speaking, #600, no matter how good or bad it is, will be forgotten and a mute point when viewed....historically.

This is sad. It is too bad really, this is truly a special milestone, that will have no weight when we look back at this time perioid in spidey folk-lore one day, and the devil's BND World will be seen as a bad experiment that shouldn't have happened just like Clone Saga is seen now.

Editors in interviews trash Clone Saga all the time now, at MArvel...tho once they hyped it up as the best thing ever seen sliced bread. Same as BND reboot now...it is all currently hype and spiffy terrific. Despite the fan loss and fan outcry. One day when put into PERSPECTIVE, #600 will have been a pointless waste, since it is out of continuity. Although i know some will debate that, this reboot is what it is: An alternate history and timeline created by the devil so Joe could quickly get rid of the marriage, but story and character be damned.

Wow you are STILL really down about this huh Farmie? :csad:
Earlier today at work I was thinking about Quesada.
I was wondering how pro-BND fans perceive him.
Does this man really understand Spider-man? He's destroyed something about Spider-man, continuity, every time his hand has been dipped into the creative pot since he became EIC. The origin, Gwen Stacy's memory, and Peter's morals, common sense and marriage. (The other, Sins past, One more day). Who is HE to say Spidey shouldn't be married? He hasn't even earned a spot as a "moderate" writer on Spider-man. If he actually wrote some great Spidey stories, than I would be so much more optimistic about Brand New Day. Yes, I know Roger Stern says the same stuff. But there are also writers that say otherwise, (that have proved themselves on the book)

I love him as an EIC. I just don't think he understands the concept of Spider-man. (I've always felt like its a "coming of age" story about the every man, maybe I'm wrong. Stan Lee seems to think so too, since he put him in high school, college, and than married him.)
Stan's had alot more hit than miss decisions. I personally would try to build on what he made instead of trying to break it down and copy it.

Think about it, whether your a pro-fan or not We've all gotten screwed by Quesada's brilliantly forced approval of ideas and suggestions at some point.

Pro-fans are only happy now because his hand hasn't been dipped in the brain trust...yet. :cwink:

I personally think if they somehow "find out" about the marriage being "erased", it still won't undo what's been done... continuity as we know it has come and gone with everything having a valid explanation, so even IF everybody finds out about "what" happened, Marvel won't go back in time and pretend that 2 or 3 years worth of comics never happened.

Just my thoughts.

:yay:

I agree. Unless its the clone saga, or the spiderman skeleton, or mysterios suicide, or Spiderwoman (mattie) or the other, or the unmasking arc, or mackie's reboot , or civil war, or loki's favor, or the scarlet spider's or the "jokepot" reveal, or the marriage its self. :oldrazz:

Face it buddy, most Marvel stories lately have seemed to just fade out of contunity. All they want to do with these characters these days are just break them and put them back to the regular status quo so they can break them again. :csad:



Not when they could get a whole new wedding out of it by just having them (re-)marry!

Imdaly I know this sounds gay,
but I've missed you man. :csad:
 
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Hi Styleshift!

Nice to have you back!

So...yeh...i am still down about this crap they've done to my fav character.

I've read my friend's issues, that he doesn't barely read anymore, but buys for his "run" still...sheesh.....it is odd...we are both BIG fans from like the beginning and i never would have imagined the both of us not liking Spider-Man, or that it was possible for someone to write him so bad we'd just see him as pathetic.

I did however break down and buy the NWTD TPB, to try and read it again as a whole, i am HONESTLY TRYING HARD to like my favorite character here.....(with JRJR art, my fav too!) ...but the whole thing was just not doing it for me...and even his art didn't seem to be his best either...maybe rushed??
The comic just stinks now with the whole new devil world taste and winks to it.

So, i've never claimed to be boycotting this , per say....it's just not the same Peter PArker, it is all forced...and noobish...and feels like Ultimate Alternate Spider-man to me...:csad:...i really WANT to like it tho....i'm reading less comics now in general...tho still some other titles...but the thing is i've ALWAYS bought all the Spidey comics and TPB's too...and now i am not....(but my wife and i HAVE gotten into STARGATE SG-1 and buying those dvds and getting into that series for the first time!! Cool show btw!! (Surprised we are just discovering it after 10 seasons!)

Anyway...welcome back Styleshift!
 
Hi Styleshift!

Nice to have you back!

So...yeh...i am still down about this crap they've done to my fav character.

I've read my friend's issues, that he doesn't barely read anymore, but buys for his "run" still...sheesh.....it is odd...we are both BIG fans from like the beginning and i never would have imagined the both of us not liking Spider-Man, or that it was possible for someone to write him so bad we'd just see him as pathetic.

I did however break down and buy the NWTD TPB, to try and read it again as a whole, i am HONESTLY TRYING HARD to like my favorite character here.....(with JRJR art, my fav too!) ...but the whole thing was just not doing it for me...and even his art didn't seem to be his best either...maybe rushed??
The comic just stinks now with the whole new devil world taste and winks to it.

So, i've never claimed to be boycotting this , per say....it's just not the same Peter PArker, it is all forced...and noobish...and feels like Ultimate Alternate Spider-man to me...:csad:...i really WANT to like it tho....i'm reading less comics now in general...tho still some other titles...but the thing is i've ALWAYS bought all the Spidey comics and TPB's too...and now i am not....(but my wife and i HAVE gotten into STARGATE SG-1 and buying those dvds and getting into that series for the first time!! Cool show btw!! (Surprised we are just discovering it after 10 seasons!)

Anyway...welcome back Styleshift!

Thanks Farmie, glad to be back! Now that I've kinda settled for a moment in the Air Force I can be on more often. :yay:

JRJR is my favorite artist as well. :woot:
My first Spidey bought comic was "Spider-man megazine". It had a collection of several stories, including 2 of my favorite "nothing can stop the juggernaut" and "The end of Spider-man".

I don't think he was rushed on NWTD. The inker just didn't match his style IMO. He draws pretty fast and if I remember correctly he wasn't really rushed on that story. It was character assasination that was a bit much for him.

I'm still amazed at how many people still dislike the title. I think the stories are getting a bit better. Especially since I've disregarded the fact that they don't pay attention to continuity. *The "learning how to use his Spider-sense" while blinded was absolutely ridicolous, and they did it twice.

Spidey has used his Spider-sense to navigate the city in a classic frank miller story. Yet somehow it seemed so new to him. It didn't look cool to me. It just made me laugh to be honest. Lazy story telling. (Even though I love Mark Waid)

Straight from Marvel.com

His spider-sense provides an early warning detection system linked with his superhuman kinesthetics, enabling him the ability to evade most any injury, provided he doesn't cognitively override the autonomic reflexes.

That means unless he sees it coming he can't stop himself from moving. Somebody should change it for the new brand new day fans they seem to keep talking about.

I did think it was cool that they had Spidey[BLACKOUT] broke the vultures arms.[/BLACKOUT] He was dangerous and it made PLENTY of sense.

I just don't understand why they took this big of a risk with fans to get back to an era that does not exist anymore. The silver age is gone. They really need to start moving forward....

That's what really made the book unappealing for me. The fact that they opened up so many cans at once and wrote a terrible story "to fix the mistakes" AND were bold enough to charge extra for it. :whatever:

This was not a smart business plan. Not at all. They have only lost many fans. They forget current fans are the reasons why future fans get into the book. You can't "plan for the future" in this business. Especially since they are getting increasingly more expensive.

Have you considered "Invincible"?
Read issue 1-8. It seems generic at first and corny but once they get the ball rolling they dont stop. It's really filled the gigantic void for me that Spidey has left.
 
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Invincible is awesome!!! :up:

I've been buying it since issue #1.

While it would seem that Peter has been struggling as Spider-Man for the last year plus, I find in the current arc, he's been acting like the experienced Spidey that we all know & love... and while I don't feel like getting into a "Spidey's getting his arse kicked all the time" debate, we've seen him lose to the Stilt-Man thrice (of all people... :whatever: ) in the older stories, and as far as Spider-Man going through that "I'm blind... focus my Spider-Sense" moment... yes, we've seen him do that before... in Spectacular Spider-Man #27-28, which came out around 1978 (that's over 30 years folks)... so maybe we can just assume it's been a while for him, and given the fact that he was up and at it for over 24 hours (and very tired), he freaked out and needed to calm himself in front of a "new" and potentially dangerous foe.

Nice to see ya back StyleShift.... :up:

:yay:
 
Styleshift....

I bought the first two GIANT Hardcover TPB's of Invincible actually...and i do like it quite a lot.

I need to get the next one now. Thanks...good recommendation! I'm already on that one tho! :cwink:

As a long time Spidey fan...i am honestly just saddened right now, not only because I'm not buying or enjoying my hero, who's become quite the loser....but because of the devisiveness in general now.

It was indeed a bad business decision, in that, now on all the message boards, forums, you have lots of fans who used to buy, NOT buying NOW. Not only are they not buying, they do not like this incarnation or reboot of Spider-Man, nor anything about the devil deal that created this world. Many people are sadly not picking up their favorite character any longer because they see Pete as a loser now, due to bad writing and a poor foundation for a reboot, and the continuity being gone. I don't think for many people it is even purely about the marriage anymore. Although they didn't treat the wiping out of that well either. The whole OMD/BND thing will always have a bad association to it, like Clone Saga, for many fans as long as it/this world/timeline/reboot (whatever one wants to call it)endures.

So regardless of whether someone likes BND or not...Joe/Marvel has created a lot of disdain for their flagship character. Even if i was one of the ones liking the BND reboot, i would still be disheartened, reading all the devisiveness that has been created now towards Spidey/Pete for no needed reason or purpose accept for an agenda.

So it annoys me not only that my best friend and I suddenly can't stand our role model Pete....but we don't like him at all, thanks to the writing and bizarrely forced direction. It saddens me to read on this site, but many others the multitudes of people who feel the same way. Long time loyal customers and fans, as well as short terms ones..just not buying now or liking Spider-Man at all. And worse yet, no one cares or treats their opinions like they matter. Worse yet, some at Marvel openly mock anyone who is intelligent enought o work a computer and post their thoughts online. Naysayers with LEGITIMATE POINTS have been pretty much blown off by both other fans and totally by "MArvel". Again, i am puzzled that MArvel doesn't care about so many of their long time CUSTOMERS.

Regardless, again, it just saddens me Spidey is so DEVISIVE a character now. But, it IS saving me money, in these tough economic times. Oy.
 
Wow you are STILL really down about this huh Farmie? :csad:
Earlier today at work I was thinking about Quesada.
I was wondering how pro-BND fans perceive him.
Does this man really understand Spider-man? He's destroyed something about Spider-man, continuity, every time his hand has been dipped into the creative pot since he became EIC. The origin, Gwen Stacy's memory, and Peter's morals, common sense and marriage. (The other, Sins past, One more day). Who is HE to say Spidey shouldn't be married? He hasn't even earned a spot as a "moderate" writer on Spider-man. If he actually wrote some great Spidey stories, than I would be so much more optimistic about Brand New Day. Yes, I know Roger Stern says the same stuff. But there are also writers that say otherwise, (that have proved themselves on the book)

I love him as an EIC. I just don't think he understands the concept of Spider-man. (I've always felt like its a "coming of age" story about the every man, maybe I'm wrong. Stan Lee seems to think so too, since he put him in high school, college, and than married him.)
Stan's had alot more hit than miss decisions. I personally would try to build on what he made instead of trying to break it down and copy it.


very well said, my friend. :yay:
 
Wow you are STILL really down about this huh Farmie? :csad:
Earlier today at work I was thinking about Quesada.
I was wondering how pro-BND fans perceive him.
Does this man really understand Spider-man? He's destroyed something about Spider-man, continuity, every time his hand has been dipped into the creative pot since he became EIC. The origin, Gwen Stacy's memory, and Peter's morals, common sense and marriage. (The other, Sins past, One more day). Who is HE to say Spidey shouldn't be married? He hasn't even earned a spot as a "moderate" writer on Spider-man. If he actually wrote some great Spidey stories, than I would be so much more optimistic about Brand New Day. Yes, I know Roger Stern says the same stuff. But there are also writers that say otherwise, (that have proved themselves on the book)

I love him as an EIC. I just don't think he understands the concept of Spider-man. (I've always felt like its a "coming of age" story about the every man, maybe I'm wrong. Stan Lee seems to think so too, since he put him in high school, college, and than married him.)
Stan's had alot more hit than miss decisions. I personally would try to build on what he made instead of trying to break it down and copy it.

The problem with a coming of age story is that it ends once the character comes of age. Spider-Man will not end.
 
No one has a "hold" on the essence of Spider-Man. As a fictional character, he is subject to interpretation and re-interpretation. No one can lay claim to having the one true interpretation of the character. In my view, Peter Parker was all about tragedy and loss. To me, that was central to his character or at least what made him interesting in MY eyes. Pete was never perfect, which is why I can forgive him for saving Aunt May through magic (even though I don't defend what I thought was a truly lame story and a horrible way to do it). Pete was also not a loser. He was a tragic figure who experienced great loss--some of which was his own fault, some of which was the fates playing cruelly with him--but he was not a "lovable loser." In fact, I had a much tougher time with Pete married to what had been written as a shallow super-model. To me, that was less in character than the so-called "deal" with Mephisto. I've been reading ASM and its variants for a long time, and the married Pete never rang true to me, especially being married to an actress model. Or even being married at all, since he knew that anyone he was close to could be a potential target. Part of the "responsibility" that came with the "great power" was that he could not lead a normal life without giving up being Spider-Man. Many times, he sought to rid himself of his powers so that he COULD lead a normal life, and get married, have a family, etc. But he felt obligated to be Spider-Man, which meant he had to sacrifice a normal life. He couldnt be Reed Richards. In all, the marriage was a disaster, it violated the fundamental nature of the character. But that is MY view, and it need not be anyone else's.

Now, in contrast, the essence of Spider-Man, to me, has always been about victory over insurmountable odds and never giving up, no matter what. If the FF, the Avengers, the Sinister 6, the Ringmaster and his Circus of Crime, the Justice League, the Justice Society, and the X-Men all teamed up against Spidey, he would find a way to win. He might get the ever lovin' hell beat out of him in the meantime, but he'd find a way to win.

What makes Pete interesting, in part, is this dicotomy between the tragic Pete and the heroic Spidey. The marriage, in my view, made him both less tragic (we'd all like to be married to MJ) and less heroic (he violated the very notion of WGPCGR).

As for Joe Q, he's faced with the difficulty of a 47 year old character than existed before be was even born, and that will (hopefully) continue on long after he (and us) is dead. Lee & Ditko didn't imagine that SM would go on this long. It was thus easy for them to make a "coming of age" story in which Pete ages pretty rapidly. But at some point, the character's development becomes arrested. He gets married, has kids, gets old? Thats not commercially viable for a key property. He doesn't age, but everyone around him does? That's what Marvel may do with Wolverine (healing factor) Thor (a God), or the Hulk (nearly indestructable). It could happen with Pete as well.

A difficulty we as fans have is that we are time bound. It's cool for us to see Pete go through the same stages of life that we do. High school and college kids dig a high school or college aged Pete. Older dudes like to see him age and mature with marriage and kids. But we are time bound because we're all aging. Do the high school kids now get to have a Pete who ages? Do the old foggys like me get a mature Pete? What about kids just being born now who, in 8 or 10 years may start reading Spider-Man?

Those are the difficulties Marvel faces with each of its characters (as does DC and everyone else). Ditko thinks they should have aged Pete and just killed him off as a hero and created something new. Stan basically thinks they should do whatever keeps the character going. He wanted the marriage as a gimmick. He gave his blessing to the un-marriage. When asked about it he has been both aghast and supportive. But do Stan & Steve have the sole say about what they created? Does Bendis, who's written a version of the character as long, if not longer, than anyone else? And while Bendis, like JMS, is a great writer, neither one of the "got" the version of Spidey that I prefer, nor did they understand the "essence" of Spidey the way I understand it.

But neither I, nor anyone out there, has a monopoly on what Spider-Man means, or who he "is." I have only the right to interpret the character for myself and to buy the comic or not buy the comic as I see fit. But NO ONE lays claim to the exclusive right or interpretation of the character (except maybe Marvel, which owns the character). I have enjoyed BND more than Ive enjoyed ASM in years. I stopped buying for years after the marriage, because like FN and Dragon, and all those OMD/BND haters, I thought the marriage to MJ was a betrayal to all that Spidey stood for and that Pete was. So I feel your collective pain, I just disagree with anyone laying claim to the "exclusive" interpretation of Pete or Spidey. I hope the marriage stays gone. I wish MJ had made the deal with Mephisto by herself, or that Marvel had made a more artful way of ending the marriage and restoring the secret identity, but they didnt. I wish they had done it differntly, but I very much enjoy BND. Finally, Pete is a character I recognize again. Others disagree, that's cool. Read Deadpool or Thor or something else. At some point, Pete's status quo will change (maybe he'll marry Gwen's clone) and the books will interest you again. But maybe not.
 
Invincible is awesome!!!

I've been buying it since issue #1.

While it would seem that Peter has been struggling as Spider-Man for the last year plus, I find in the current arc, he's been acting like the experienced Spidey that we all know & love... and while I don't feel like getting into a "Spidey's getting his arse kicked all the time" debate, we've seen him lose to the Stilt-Man thrice (of all people... ) in the older stories, and as far as Spider-Man going through that "I'm blind... focus my Spider-Sense" moment... yes, we've seen him do that before... in Spectacular Spider-Man #27-28, which came out around 1978 (that's over 30 years folks)... so maybe we can just assume it's been a while for him, and given the fact that he was up and at it for over 24 hours (and very tired), he freaked out and needed to calm himself in front of a "new" and potentially dangerous foe.

Nice to see ya back StyleShift....

YES Invincible is great. A friend recommended it to me and I'm glad I finally listened. I read 22 books in about 3 days. I've never read comics like that in a while. This book has pay off, and the characters feel like they are going some where. All of them. Their definitely not afraid to change the status quo.
Have you ever read ASM #267? It's one of my favorite stories "The accidential tourist". (For those of you that don't know, Spidey fails attempt after attempt to catch a common theif.)

When Spidey does dumb things and it's intentional for comic relief, I love it.
It's been apart of the character for years. (Like going to the bank to cash a check for Spider-man.)
But when things happen like when Spidey gets shot by a mercy bullet and knocked out by the punisher. Stuff like that always urks me. a bit because its a part of his powers, not his character. :(

Spidey sense blooper - Yeah thats why I kinda just shrugged my shoulders and laughed it off. I mean I can't blame the reboot for that. They've done similar things before in the past many many many times and I have to admit the stories have been getting MUCH better since character assasination started. I'm really trying to be fair since the brain trust didn't write one more day. Their just using what they've been handed...we've seen that before in John Bryne's "Hey lets seperate the hulk from bruce banner" storyline. Out of that Peter David had the best run on hulk.

Same thing with X-men and Daredevil. All best selling books from marvel.
All of these characters have lost something/someone important, and have had their most ICONIC runs during that time.

I guess thats why I'm still on ASM.

Styleshift....

I bought the first two GIANT Hardcover TPB's of Invincible actually...and i do like it quite a lot.

I need to get the next one now. Thanks...good recommendation! I'm already on that one tho!

As a long time Spidey fan...i am honestly just saddened right now, not only because I'm not buying or enjoying my hero, who's become quite the loser....but because of the devisiveness in general now.

It was indeed a bad business decision, in that, now on all the message boards, forums, you have lots of fans who used to buy, NOT buying NOW. Not only are they not buying, they do not like this incarnation or reboot of Spider-Man, nor anything about the devil deal that created this world. Many people are sadly not picking up their favorite character any longer because they see Pete as a loser now, due to bad writing and a poor foundation for a reboot, and the continuity being gone. I don't think for many people it is even purely about the marriage anymore. Although they didn't treat the wiping out of that well either. The whole OMD/BND thing will always have a bad association to it, like Clone Saga, for many fans as long as it/this world/timeline/reboot (whatever one wants to call it)endures.

So regardless of whether someone likes BND or not...Joe/Marvel has created a lot of disdain for their flagship character. Even if i was one of the ones liking the BND reboot, i would still be disheartened, reading all the devisiveness that has been created now towards Spidey/Pete for no needed reason or purpose accept for an agenda.

So it annoys me not only that my best friend and I suddenly can't stand our role model Pete....but we don't like him at all, thanks to the writing and bizarrely forced direction. It saddens me to read on this site, but many others the multitudes of people who feel the same way. Long time loyal customers and fans, as well as short terms ones..just not buying now or liking Spider-Man at all. And worse yet, no one cares or treats their opinions like they matter. Worse yet, some at Marvel openly mock anyone who is intelligent enought o work a computer and post their thoughts online. Naysayers with LEGITIMATE POINTS have been pretty much blown off by both other fans and totally by "MArvel". Again, i am puzzled that MArvel doesn't care about so many of their long time CUSTOMERS.

Regardless, again, it just saddens me Spidey is so DEVISIVE a character now. But, it IS saving me money, in these tough economic times. Oy.

In Marvel's defense, I've seen some REALLY REALLY bad ideas posted online. What was that one guys name? The Zolly becker show? He was on LSD or something. (He wanted Peter's daughter to fill the role in ASM.)

Peter is supposed to be a loveable loser. But if you have too many bad things happening to him with no light at the end of the road (Mj) Than it just kinda gets depressing. The sad part is that bringing Mary Jane back in the book will open old wounds. I'm sure of it. I saw a cover of [BLACKOUT] Black Cat and Pete kissing while Mj looked on. [/BLACKOUT]

It just felt so wrong. They can say these characters weren't married but my comics say other wise.

But to be fair the sales should speak for themselves. If people are complaining they shouldn't be buying. But at the same time its not fair that we have to stop our runs to get what we want. I hate not knowing whats going on with my favorite character.

Invincible.
I'm at the part where Mark joins college. I can't find my books, but I really love this character and the nod at Spidey comics. "The elephant is really a lame rip off of the Rhino"

and oh man that line with Atom Eve was hilarious.
*Not word for word*
Teacher: "Come in Mark and Eve"
Eve: What? How do you know who I am?
Teacher: Are you kidding me?? Your not even wearing a mask. LOL


very well said, my friend.


I second that.

Thanks you two!!!
 
I disagree.

And everyone's entitled to their own opinion handsome. :whatever:

The problem with a coming of age story is that it ends once the character comes of age. Spider-Man will not end.

I'm sure my great grand kids will be older than Peter one day. Of course he shouldn't be too old. I love this point because its funny to me. Regardless of who makes it, Marvel, pro, anti.

The funny thing is Spidey is still the same age, regardless of him being single or not. "This is the same Spidey we've been reading all these years." Ok. Gotcha

Except the words marriage are now unassociated with him right?
That means they accomplished nothing to "de-age" him in my opinion. They just made him single with less responsibility.

A friend of mine is married. We're both 20. He's in college but I'm single in the military. Is he any older than I am? Does he seem older?

No. We just have different responsibilities.

No one has a "hold" on the essence of Spider-Man. As a fictional character, he is subject to interpretation and re-interpretation. No one can lay claim to having the one true interpretation of the character. In my view, Peter Parker was all about tragedy and loss.

LOL
 
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I really need to try out this "Invincible" comic...
 
I really need to try out this "Invincible" comic...

You'll love it.
Even the comic relief has some pay off.

Minor Spoiler

Mark Grayson (the main character) is a character developing into superman level hero. Issue one starts off with him discovering his powers, when he goes to throw out the garbage at his job at a burger place. He throws the bag INCREDIBLY far. About 20 issues later we find out where the bag landed.
 

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