The Dark Knight Rises Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman XX

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[Dylan Dog]

Not much a fan of Anne but I think she will be a good job. But I´m finding her more interesting,sexier as Selina than with the Catwoman costume at those set pics.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

As for her portrayal being different from previous Catwomen... well, I can't help but wonder... it'll be the Robinhood act but taken to a whole new level: instead of being this lone thief who echoes a Robin Hood agenda against the corrupt and prejudiced elite class in the city, this Catwoman is "rattling the cage" (so to speak) in a way that those echoes make her a harbinger for societal change. That's really what I got out of the trailer. This Catwoman, like most of Nolan's interpretations of DC characters, is integrated into the very fabric of Gotham's society and her personal themes are echoed across the society that's being portrayed. Like Two-Face, Gordon, Dent, Ra's, even the Scarecrow and Joker.

And who wouldn't want to see more of that character in Gotham: The hero(ine) fighting the elites, as opposed to the vigilante running the show, or the mercenary running a paramilitary group of suicidal rebels!?

 

[The_Raganork]

As for her portrayal being different from previous Catwomen... well, I can't help but wonder... it'll be the Robinhood act but taken to a whole new level: instead of being this lone thief who echoes a Robin Hood agenda against the corrupt and prejudiced elite class in the city, this Catwoman is "rattling the cage" (so to speak) in a way that those echoes make her a harbinger for societal change. That's really what I got out of the trailer. This Catwoman, like most of Nolan's interpretations of DC characters, is integrated into the very fabric of Gotham's society and her personal themes are echoed across the society that's being portrayed. Like Two-Face, Gordon, Dent, Ra's, even the Scarecrow and Joker.

And who wouldn't want to see more of that character in Gotham: The hero(ine) fighting the elites, as opposed to the vigilante running the show, or the mercenary running a paramilitary group of suicidal rebels!?

I like what you're saying but I think you're probably missing a critical element of Selina.

Being Jaded.

I think she's kind of like Batman but more on the side of doing it for selfish reasons. She steals from the rich and gives to the poor but it's not good enough for her, she hates the rich for some personal reason, it does good for people but ultimately it is a selfish thing for her. She does it out of some need to avenge something that can't be avenged and it drives her to the point where she doesn't care who gets hurt or why, her morals become twisted and she's doing THE "right" thing for the "wrong" reasons in the "wrong" way.

Enter Batman, a strong, handsome man doing the "right" thing in the "right" way for the "????" reasons and she's intrigued and willing to play by his rules until his moral code constricts her.

Then they have a problem

 

[jessnormglz]

Just a quick question guys. Why did Bane take blood from Pavel in the prologue?

I have my theory about it... I Think is because, is clear that the body which received the blood of Pavel was almost dead and they needed to leave a body similar to Pavel WITH PAVEL BLOOD (DNA) inside the plane before the crash, in order to confuse the CIA making them think Pavel didn't survive the "accident". Same situation with the "voluntary" bane's henchmen left in the plane.

The CIA will think it was an accident, with All CIA personnel, Pavel, and hostage taken with them dead. The only question I have, how they will cover the shots when they assault the plane and killed all CIA agents?. Will have to wait till July.

IN NOLAN I TRUST.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I'm just guessing that if they found some of Pavel's DNA in the wreckage, it'll be safe to assume that whether they were able to find a body or not, they'll have enough evidence to suggest that he died somewhere within the plane

 

[TinkerTailor]

Oh my god would everyone please stop answering my fake question. t:

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I like what you're saying but I think you're probably missing a critical element of Selina.

Being Jaded.

I think she's kind of like Batman but more on the side of doing it for selfish reasons. She steals from the rich and gives to the poor but it's not good enough for her, she hates the rich for some personal reason, it does good for people but ultimately it is a selfish thing for her. She does it out of some need to avenge something that can't be avenged and it drives her to the point where she doesn't care who gets hurt or why, her morals become twisted and she's doing THE "right" thing for the "wrong" reasons in the "wrong" way.

Enter Batman, a strong, handsome man doing the "right" thing in the "right" way for the "????" reasons and she's intrigued and willing to play by his rules until his moral code constricts her.

Then they have a problem

I can agree with that. It'd certainly be faithful to her traditional characterisation. And, more importantly, I do hope we see what or why she is jaded in the course of the film, instead of being this mysterious apparition from start to finish with zero human soul (the joker had soul, but i wouldn't call that human!)

I'm guessing we will, especially since the focus is on 'Selina Kyle' as opposed to 'Catwoman'.

 

[C. Lee]

Oh my god would everyone please stop answering my fake question. t:

How about not asking FAKE questions in the first place if you don't like the results of doing so?

 

[floreairfoot]

I like what you're saying but I think you're probably missing a critical element of Selina.

Being Jaded.

I think she's kind of like Batman but more on the side of doing it for selfish reasons. She steals from the rich and gives to the poor but it's not good enough for her, she hates the rich for some personal reason, it does good for people but ultimately it is a selfish thing for her. She does it out of some need to avenge something that can't be avenged and it drives her to the point where she doesn't care who gets hurt or why, her morals become twisted and she's doing THE "right" thing for the "wrong" reasons in the "wrong" way.

Enter Batman, a strong, handsome man doing the "right" thing in the "right" way for the "????" reasons and she's intrigued and willing to play by his rules until his moral code constricts her.

Then they have a problem

Jaded... maybe, sometimes. It's not perpetual.

She's not constantly taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Has she done that? Yes, but a majority of the time, it's been for herself. She likes to live big, no question there.

She doesn't initially trust the extremely wealthy, but I don't believe she hates them either. Although in TDKR, Selina may not know much about Bruce, thinking he's just another selfish rich guy. That's yet to be seen.

Selina hates involving friends and loves ones in her own issues, I hope we see something about that, with the alleged Holly.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

There was a suggestion that maybe Juno Temple is Babs Gordon instead.

But anyway -- I'd love to see a Selina Kyle who's set out to bring the top elite down. Only, y'know, less personally-inclined. Sort of her version of superheroics. It'd certainly put Michelle Pfeiffer's Selina Kyle in a different light (she was... in some way... challenging the social mores of that Gotham as well, especially after her transformation into Catwoman).

 

[regwec]

I dislike the notion of Catwoman as a social/political agitator. That seems to be against her hedonistic nature, and it would seem to be another example of 'characters' in these movies becoming just walking talking themes.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I love the idea. If she's coming from the dirt poor part of Gotham, she's gonna fight against those that put her there.

 

[regwec]

Is that what poor people tend to do?

I wasn't aware that Selina Kyle was a communist.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

More of a Robin Hood type... you can only beat down and oppress poor people for so long until they say "no more" . Not all superheroes are rich.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Well she has, to a large extent, been fighting the cause for the underprivileged. I can see how that would clash against the hedonist Catwoman, but it would also depict the side of her that truly wants some sort of change; both in her life and the world around her. A female-Robin Hood wouldn't necessarily become a red, commie symbol. A lot of her hedonism comes from being this larger-than-life masked figure, and if that figure is shown to have some kind of social impact, I really don't see how it would harm her characterisation.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

But y'know what? she isn't a true superhero either... so... yeah. I like the idea that she could be this masked figure against a social elite, at least on a periodic basis it gives her adventures an amazing comic-book premise. Yes, sort of like Robin Hood, but not as moralistic. Not sure how that is done in the film, because within one story you'd really want her character to evolve.

Hell, even the Joker evolved throughout TDK. And he's nuts.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

And Catwoman is supposed to be an antagonist so... she might have ideas but perhaps they translate to her being a downright criminal? She could tell herself she's fighting for her class but becomes consumed with the lust for material things that she steals. Who knows til we see it...

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Well, not exactly that blatant... but yeah, an ulterior motive or something similar to that. I'm still expecting her arc to be an almost reverse Harvey Dent where she becomes the ally at the end. The amorality of her character is important!

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Yeah I too see her as being the anti-Harvey Dent (villain turned good by the end). It'll actually be poetic when viewing the films together... hopefully.

 

[regwec]

The dialogue that Selina gets in the trailer indicates, to me, that she has a politically agitant agenda and that she sees herself as an accessory to a broader social movement. I could be wrong and I certainly hope I am, because that would be a huge miscalculation of her character, to me.

It is one thing for Selina to get kicks out of robbing the rich she envies and doing a little good with it once in a while, but it is quite another for her to be a part of a "movement" or to be acting from an overtly political standpoint. Again, I can see Chris Nolan crushing a character flat under the weight of the theme he has grafted to them. While that might work for a character as Jungian as The Joker or Harvey Dent, it threatens to strip Catwoman of her independence, her impulsiveness, and therefore a good deal of her charm.

I don't think it's just because I don't care for Anne Hathaway that I find nothing to like about the character she plays in the trailer. (Yeah, I know we only get a snippet of her, but it ought to be representative of her role in the movie). We don't have to like The Joker or Dent, but surely we have to like Catwoman, just a little?

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Nolan could have just made The Joker into a serial killer but he was an anarchist representing a "movement" in a sense. And I don't know where you stand politically but her line of dialogue made me like her a great deal. We shall see...

 

[regwec]

Yes, he could have done a million things with The Joker, but he chose to make him into a murderous theme. Fair enough, that's an interesting use of a Jungian "absolute". But Selina needs to be a rounded human being with impulses, an independence of spirit, and ultimately a degree of warmth.

My political affiliations are not relevant; Catwoman is supposed to be a hedonist, not a communist.

 

[floreairfoot]

I love the idea. If she's coming from the dirt poor part of Gotham, she's gonna fight against those that put her there.

Who is it that put her there, the "rich" people? No.

Catoman has never taken the road of getting even with society, and changing the world by punishing the wealthy, gained by free-market. Not that that does anything helpful, ever.

We don't know the context of her statement to Bruce. I think we're going to far with it. We don't know if she's targeting a particular group that's in power, and just happens to be wealthy. That could also include Government officials. CEOs aren't the only ones that "live large".

Don't forget, (in the comics) Selina has had quite a few run-ins with the Mob. They may be included with her targeted bunch.