The Dark Knight Rises Anyone else not like the 8 year exile plot?

[DeaDheaD]

Seeing as it's completely forgotten about during the third act I would say it was utterly useless.

Well i'm not sure every time he showed up to help(second act and on) they would have all said, "no thanks mr 8 year vacation-man"

 

[Conundrum]

I too am disappointed that both Batman and Bruce Wayne disappeared for those eight years.

It would have been fantastic if Bruce Wayne had become a recluse, falling deeper into his Batman persona because of the events of TDK. He would still be operating as a crime-fighter but as a wanted vigilante; by the time we see him in TDKR he would be experienced, fully-established and as close to the Batman of the comics as possible within the restraints of Nolan's world.

I believe it would have made the first encounter with Bane even more thrilling since Bane would have been fighting Batman in his prime rather than a Batman who had just come out of retirement.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

I too am disappointed that both Batman and Bruce Wayne disappeared for those eight years.

It would have been fantastic if Bruce Wayne had become a recluse, falling deeper into his Batman persona because of the events of TDK. He would still be operating as a crime-fighter but as a wanted vigilante; by the time we see him in TDKR he would be experienced, fully-established and as close to the Batman of the comics as possible within the restraints of Nolan's world.

I believe it would have made the first encounter with Bane even more thrilling since Bane would have been fighting Batman in his prime rather than a Batman who had just come out of retirement.

Bingo!

 

[ALP]

It was mainly the way they handle it. It's been 8 year with no Batman, yet Bruce goes and rebuilds Wayne Manor and improves the Bat Cave? They also totally copped out with the leg injury. He get's a brace and he's cured, he can even climb walls with no personal effect even though he has no carteledge in his knees. That whole part of the movie was just sloppy and lots of unessesary bits.

Again, it was a good movie, just sloppy and not nearly as well executed than the first two.

Yeah, he has no cartilage in his knees and needs a cane to walk in one scene but in the next scene he puts on a leg brace and can kick the mortar off walls

 

[El Hombre Gato]

All that power and I think he only kicked Bane once.

 

[Stringer]

Let's say, for argument's sake, that Rachel never died and Bruce had a life beyond Batman. Nothing that Joker caused would have affected him. So, why, would it affect him now? Rachel is the sole reason Bruce became a hermit.

The only reason it wasn't mentioned is because Nolan made the choice for the Joker to not be mentioned in the movie. If Heath was alive and had a role in the movie do you really think they wouldn't have referenced his acts?

 

[El Hombre Gato]

If Heath were alive, this would have been an entirely different movie.

 

[uniqueweasel]

Totally unecessary gap, if it's going to be dark knight returns fully commit to that.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

Totally unecessary gap, if it's going to be dark knight returns fully commit to that.

And if it's gonna be Knightfalls then fully commit to that.

 

[uniqueweasel]

And if it's gonna be Knightfalls then fully commit to that.

Exactly!

 

[66 Face]

O.K, i get that he had to go into hiding after the Harvey Dent incident..but why 8 years?

And why is Bruce walking around with a cane 8 years later, as if his ordeal with Joker and Two-face happened last week.......? He's been injured for 8 years? What kinda injury lasts that long?

Plus, wouldn't ppl put two and two together that Batman has disappeared and so has Bruce Wayne.....

I would have liked it better if during those 8 years they would have mentioned bats facing off against Penguin and Riddler,etc...it saddens me that Nolans Batman has only faced off against Crane, Ra's, Joker, Bane and Catwoman...

8 years seems way too long of a hiatus...

As someone thats played a lot of hockey and almost middle aged I can tell you that you do pay the toll in terms of injuries long term. I stopped playing for 2 years in the middle and felt like absolute stone.

 

[db85usa]

I enjoyed the 8 year hiatus story but I had a few problems with it. One major issue, why all of a sudden after 8 years he straps his knee and kicks a brick? I mean, if it were possible, any human would've done this to their knee ASAP. The whole 'Dent Act' tried to justify this exile plot also with very little explanation which I thought was sort of weak.

Personally, I would have enjoyed a plot with no exile story. Before I knew ANYTHING about the plot/spoilers, I really really believed Batman would have been a fugitive at all times and Rises would have taken place right after TDK. When I saw a trailer showing Batman on the pod being chased by cops with a spotlight on him, I imagined Bane releasing prisoners and Batman/Gordon working behind the scenes locking them up one by one.

Then Batman meets Bane at Wayne Manor, gets whipped/back broken. He is healed by supernatural means (Lazarus pit) while Bane is tearing Gotham apart and then comes back after retraining.

 

[db85usa]

As someone thats played a lot of hockey and almost middle aged I can tell you that you do pay the toll in terms of injuries long term. I stopped playing for 2 years in the middle and felt like absolute stone.

This is true. I suffered a back injury while playing hockey. Injured lumbar/discs and pinched sciatic nerve. Had to use a walker for 3 months because I was pretty much paralyzed. To this day, my back still bothers me a great deal. Thats why during Rises, I felt emotionally connected to Bruce when

Spoiler

his back was crushed by Bane

I also dislocated my right jaw from being smashed face first into the top surface of the boards which I suffer pain from every day.

 

[Golgo-13]

It's the length of time that gets me. 3 years would have been just as effective. 8 years is pushing it.

And yes the knee cartilage thing was dumb. The mentioned some other injuries if i remember correctly, Kidney issues, etc. Did Bane allow him to where the knee band when he took him to the prison? I doubt it. Then how did his knee suddenly become better to climb outta there and kick ass...?!

 

[BatJeff7786]

Bruce would fight crime in other ways.. do espionage, eavesdrop in alleyways in disguises, use other stealth tactics, hack computers, have contact with Gordon through untraceable means.....etc

He would never give up on "fighting crime".

When was that explained or even implied in the movie?

 

[The Only Woj]

I think my complaints about the time left is that he'd willingly give up Batman for so long. I like to think (in my imagination) that there is a movie in-between BB/TDK and TDK/TDKR -- with a Hugo Strange movie working well in the aftermath of TDK. I understand the reasoning behind a trilogy, but we only got one movie of Batman "in his sweet spot" (that being TDK), with the others being at the very beginning and very end of his career.

 

[8wid]

I like how Harvey Dent goes JFK when he dies. Because so many people believed JFK would be a white knight who would have solved America's problems when he was really mediocre. His death inspired a lot more action by getting Lyndon Johnson to milk and get civil rights, great society, and non-proliferation signed when Kennedy wouldn't been able to half this if he had lived for a second term. He would have essentially died the villain by passing on the war in Vietnam to his successor, doing not enough to resolve civil rights, or anything about reducing poverty. Nonproliferation would have gone the same way.

 

[DigificWriter]

There WAS no '8 year exile' plot.

Spoiler

Bruce hung up the mantle of Batman and became a recluse, shutting himself inside Wayne Manor and basically dropping off of the radar. He didn't become an 'exile' from Gotham because he never actually physically left the city.

 

[Golgo-13]

He self exiled himself from society. I got the word exile from the movie's actual synopsis btw, so exile is the word the movie makers used.

 

[storyteller]

I don't really see how folks would put two and two together. He didn't leave Gotham so they probably all saw it as a relapse from all the years he was already missing.

I don't think 8 years was too long. 3 years is really barely anything. 8 years is enough time for a boy to become a man. 8 years is world changing honestly.

 

[shawnm]

You have to remember that while Batman was gone for 8 years, but Bruce Wayne only became a recluse after his energy project with Miranda failed, which as she said, was 4 years before this movie took place. So, Wayne was only a recluse for 4, after failing to help the city as Bruce Wayne. He also used much of his fortune/Wayne Enterprises's to do so.

 

[DigificWriter]

If the word 'exile' came from the film's official synopsis, then the word was used in the wrong context, because 'exile' generally means that one is banished or otherwise removed from a particular physical location (as is demonstrated later on in the movie through Dr. Crane's mock trials of certain Gotham citizenry). Because Bruce never physically left Gotham, he was, technically, never in exile; he merely withdrew himself from society and became a recluse.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It's a play off The Dark Knight Returns. The hero gone for many years only to come back to save the city once more.

Like other's have mentioned rachel's death was the catalyst for his retirement. It had to be something huge to cause him to do so.

Some off screen event that the audience doesn't witness causing him to retire a few years later would not have the same effect.

 

[nogster]

I'm fine with the 8yr hiatus by Batman.
It makes sense in regards to the decision made by him and Gordon in TDK and the repurcussions of that decision.
But less so with Bruce becoming an injured recluse.

It would've been so much better if Bruce was still actively keeping tabs on Gotham via the Batcomputer. Like Oracle.
Helping Gordon fight crime behind the scenes. as an unspoken and secretive helper.

Bruce should still be fairly healthy. Just not in form, as he has been out of Batman action for so long.
But making him almost a cripple who had no interest in his beloved city and his passion for crime fighting was taking it a bit too far I thought.

 

[db85usa]

It's a play off The Dark Knight Returns. The hero gone for many years only to come back to save the city once more.

Like other's have mentioned rachel's death was the catalyst for his retirement. It had to be something huge to cause him to do so.

Some off screen event that the audience doesn't witness causing him to retire a few years later would not have the same effect.

Yeah except Bruce was 50 something in DKR and went after old foes. I would have preferred that they did not borrow from DKR and instead stuck with No Man's Land and Knightfall.