anyone think it was strange that storm turned on jean instantly?

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

well he said god-like characters which he was refering to Storm. I think you just got his post a little mixed up. He wasn't trying to offend anyone...I think.

But then that wouldnt make any scence. He says theres only one storm but then he says god like mutants (storm) are worth a dime. Huh im lost.Did i read wrong.

 

[Mekleo33]

How acquainted are you with the X-Men? Marvel has always had Storm front and center in X-Men ever since her conception, and that's because her fanbase and appeal is so large. In fact, up until the Phoenix saga was born, Storm was literally the "It" girl for the team...and continues to be one of its most revered leaders.

I realize you may not care for the character but that doesn't negate her importance to Marvel and really, comicdom as a whole.

And er uh....60 years?? Um no.

Howdy

I invite ya to take a look at this cover.

http://www.samcci.comics.org/x-men/01.htm

Notice the redhead in the background? Any other female even there? Please your like my favorite mod around here don't try to school me on X-Men.

Mek

 

[javon]

Uh..thats before Storm even came to the X-men. And TO ME she wasn't even that popular than Storm. But lets not make this into a debate now. I think Storm should have been BIG part into wondering why Jeans the way she is or wondering how and what was going on. It just doesn't make since that their best friends and she didn't get not anything diologue or anything.but this is the movieverse where everthing is twisted.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Howdy

I invite ya to take a look at this cover.

http://www.samcci.comics.org/x-men/01.htm

Notice the redhead in the background? Any other female even there? Please your like my favorite mod around here don't try to school me on X-Men.

Mek

You're showing me a cover of the first X-Men issue? Why?

Perhaps you misread my post. I said that since Storm's conception she's been a major player in the X-Men canon--especially during the 70's, 80's and 90's. She has also been consistently chosen as Marvel's premiere most-recognizable female "faces" alongside other iconic male characters i.e. Spider-Man, Captain America, Wolverine, etc. The only other Marvel heroine that has recieved similar "spotlight" treatment is The Invisible Woman. I mean, I can bring Chris Claremont, Stan Lee and Joe Quesada's positions on this character and how she ranks for Marvel if you want me to.

These are facts that I'm stating here.

 

[Decay]

I've got a question...don't you think that Storm is kinda heartless? Not because she turned her back on Jean but because she doesn't seem to care much for any of the other guys. Yes she was affected when Professor Xavier died but she got over it really fast because at the end of the movie she was shining again because the school was reopened and she could get back to her old teacher job.

 

[javon]

well i wouldn;t call that heartless..

 

[Mekleo33]

Howdy

Just want you Storm shippers to step back a bit an stop making blanket statements like Storm has ALWAYS been THE female of X-Men. Cause well that's a Storm shippers view. That was the cover of the FIRST X-Men an she's not there.Sept 1963 now let me check the math. 63 06 that's like 43 years? wow guess it's not near 60.

 

[javon]

Your crazy if you think he said she always has been. He said "before the phoenix saga" so stop making it into something it isn't.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is arguments are started. Jean could easily vaporize storm. Last time I checked jean was the only mutant in the movie with telekenetic abilities. You talk about telepaths like their nothing. Yes there are many telepaths and maybe thats because the people like telepaths more then a woman who can control weather. Storm is no better then nightcrawler so whats the big deal. Storm can manipulate the weather big deal dont you notice that everyone she electricutes gets right back up like nothing. The only two people she has killedthat i know of are toad and callisto and she killed callisto only because the fence was sorrounded by an electric charge and she killed toad because after he was electricuted he fell in water. Just think of everything it takes for storm to kill someone, when jean can just get in their head and their out cold. So if you ask me telepathy is way better then controling the weather. If you think of it storms only way of defending herself is electricuting someone but lasttime i checked there was a mutant able to shoot lightning out of his hands. I think he was inx-men evolution. Yea storm was the most known woman in x-men until the phoenix saga but jean was Xaviers first student. Some people think telepaths are weak but their not. People think o telepaths can use cerebro wow. but do you know how much power it takes to get in contact with every person in the world and their thoughts, not easy. Now dont take this wrong im not using a bad tone or anything im just clearing some stuff up because you kinda bashed on jean with that post. And im a red head for now so watch it. OK now havea nice day ;D

Well, to be fair there is some truth to Goddess' statement: With all the Rachels, Jean Greys, Barbara Gordons, Mary Jane Watsons, Crystals, Medusas, etc. there are a lot of red-heads. And there are dozens upon dozens of telepathic, telekinetic mutants and heroes. Those are definitely commonalities.

But there aren't a lot of black Amazonian women with white hair. And even fewer ones that control the planet's weather. Storm is unique--in a class by herself.

 

[Mekleo33]

Howdy

Yeah that's called Qualifing a statement to tilt things in your favor. Like offering to bring writters along to explain what YOU think is in thier heads.

Mek

 

[javon]

She sure is. Besides Thor, I don't even think nobody else controls the weather (withought a hammer). Her power is very rare. She one of a kind.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Howdy

Just want you Storm shippers to step back a bit an stop making blanket statements like Storm has ALWAYS been THE female of X-Men. Cause well that's a Storm shippers view. That was the cover of the FIRST X-Men an she's not there.Sept 1963 now let me check the math. 63 06 that's like 43 years? wow guess it's not near 60.

People can't step back from a plate they've never stepped up to. Where are these "Storm shippers" that are saying she's "ALWAYS been THE female of X-Men"?

No one here has said anything remotely close to that, except you Mek.

 

[javon]

Originally posted by Lightning Strikez!
Well, to be fair there is some truth to Goddess' statement: With all the Rachels, Jean Greys, Barbara Gordons, Mary Jane Watsons, Crystals, Medusas, etc. there are a lot of red-heads. And there are dozens upon dozens of telepathic, telekinetic mutants and heroes. Those are definitely commonalities.

But there aren't a lot of black Amazonian women with white hair. And even fewer ones that control the planet's weather. Storm is unique--in a class by herself.

She sure is. Besides Thor, I don't even think nobody else controls the weather (withought a hammer). Her power is very rare. She's one of a kind.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Howdy

Yeah that's called Qualifing a statement to tilt things in your favor. Like offering to bring writters along to explain what YOU think is in thier heads.

Mek

Not at all.

Joe Quesada, Stan Lee and Chris Claremont have gone on record many times discussing their views on Storm's impact and value to Marvel. My statements don't require "qualifying" since it's their opinions I'm taking into account. It just so happens that my views coincide with theirs. In other words...I didn't pay them to praise Storm.

And to be honest, they've also lauded The Phoenix saga's impact on comicdom as well. So this is not some Sith "absolute" situation here...at least not with me.

 

[javon]

Perfectly explanied

 

[Goddessreicho]

Thanks LS for clearing up my statement. U said it better than I did.

I just want to add two things: One I love people with red hair. You guys are awsome, and a rarity, just......not in comic books.

Two: I was kinda hoping that the "e-s-s" in Goddess would imply that I am female because I am.


Edit: One more thing. Until it is official, Storm is powerful, but god-like she is not. Well, until it's official anyways. I like the idea of her not being omega. It means that she has limits, and needs to be on a team, where she works best, as a leader.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Speaking of omega mutants when proffesor said jean grey is the only class 5 mutant i have ever encountered do you think he meant phoenix jean grey or just jean grey. We cant have any threads with the names stormor jean because in every one of them people fight over whos better. Im not going to kiss up to anyone so all im saying is that many storm fans have implified in their comics that storm is invincible and she is the best.

Why do people think storm is a god. She's not, proffesor xavier should be considered a god he has the power to end humanity with cerebro. Thats nothing compared to what storm can do. So lets just put it this way storm is no god what so ever. They havent even mentioned her as a god in the movie like they did jean. So like i said alot of people have implified in their comments that storm is better and i think that since someone of you guys are storm fans you cant see it because you love her so much but everyone else can.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Why do people think storm is a god. She's not, proffesor xavier should be considered a god he has the power to end humanity with cerebro. Thats nothing compared to what storm can do. So lets just put it this way storm is no god what so ever. They havent even mentioned her as a god in the movie like they did jean. So like i said alot of people have implified in their comments that storm is better and i think that since someone of you guys are storm fans you cant see it because you love her so much but everyone else can.

I don't think fans truly believe Storm is literally a Goddess. However she does control things that most thinking people would attribute to an "Act of God."

* It's more than just meteorlogical phenomena like weather....Storm can manipulate the stars, planets and bodies in the vicinity of the earth.

* And the fact she is of royalty and carries herself as a higher being encourages that group think.

* She comes from a long line of white-haired, magic-wielding priestesses.

*Even in the comics her fellow peers have a deep, reverential respect for her character, class and power (see Dr. Doom, Magneto and other A-list powerful characters).

* Also, for the last 30-plus years Storm has been literally worshipped as a Goddess in her home country. And these are not just superstition-laden, tribal peoples--no, even the technogically advanced cultures in the current 616 day considers her so.

 

[javon]

Thats right. In when she went evil one time, she even declared herself a goddess. And whe she went evil on Emma Frost Kiity said that she looked like a real goddess. So i guess its mostly when she's angry.

 

[RaisingStorm]

Not trying to bash or anything, but Mek's posts are kind of...like...I dunno, I dont get them, first starts talking about not slaping Rogue on the face then all this mess about Storm Shippers...what a hell!!??

anyhow, to me it seems like Mek was on a mission and seems to have personal issues with storm, I love Storm and if that makes me a "storm Shipper" fine whatever, I think Storm is a beutiful, COLORFUL, interesting and unique charachter, starting with the fact that she is the very first female superhero of color that dont ask the super dude for help or permission, Storm is an amazing charachter and there is a reason why in the comic world 616 she still alive and Jean is not. and I am going to stop right there and thell you guys (and I hate revealing this, but there is so much nonsense here sometimes) but Jean is my most favorite character, but not because of that am going to be dumb enough like to Bash on storm when Storm well deserves the recognition she had gotten through the years, Jean has only 13 years of advantage on Storm, and Storm Hella caught up, Jean had to stop being Jean and Become the Phoenix to keep up, sorry but is true, There is something about storm that is very interesting, thats the reason why she has not changed much, as where Jean has died several times, has been cloned, done and redone, very inconsistent, that comes to show that storm is consisten and she is ok as it is. I am not trying to make her look like the only one standing, but I want to make clear she deserves Recognition and respect, being that she has trascended so much, Jean is Jean, and Storm is Storm, they both Great, but it really gets on my nerves when they try to make it look like we are here competing trying to make Storm the best when thats not the case, thats just beating a dead Horse, Storm is special and unique in her own special way just like Jean is, thye are both the *****, but ever since Storm came out, I knew what a female superhero hands on is about, Jean has never lead the X Men, that should say something, but agin, Storm is not the strongest telepath in the universe, to me me Storm represents one thing and Jean another, in my personal opinion, I like Storm because her powers are unique, her story is very special, se is diferent and beutiful, a true Goddess, I used to love Jean more when she was that more insecure, troubled girl that didnt believed in her self, I used to like the more "human" like that Jean used to be, the Saga Phoenix was the bomb, but it killed it for me, cause Jean is not the Phoenix, no mater what you say at least not the same Jean we knew before the Saga Phoenix.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Not trying to bash or anything, but Mek's posts are kind of...like...I dunno, I dont get them, first starts talking about not slaping Rogue on the face then all this mess about Storm Shippers...what a hell!!??

anyhow, to me it seems like Mek was on a mission and seems to have personal issues with storm, I love Storm and if that makes me a "storm Shipper" fine whatever, I think Storm is a beutiful, COLORFUL, interesting and unique charachter, starting with the fact that she is the very first female superhero of color that dont ask the super dude for help or permission, Storm is an amazing charachter and there is a reason why in the comic world 616 she still alive and Jean is not. and I am going to stop right there and thell you guys (and I hate revealing this, but there is so much nonsense here sometimes) but Jean is my most favorite character, but not because of that am going to be dumb enough like to Bash on storm when Storm well deserves the recognition she had gotten through the years, Jean has only 13 years of advantage on Storm, and Storm Hella caught up, Jean had to stop being Jean and Become the Phoenix to keep up, sorry but is true, There is something about storm that is very interesting, thats the reason why she has not changed much, as where Jean has died several times, has been cloned, done and redone, very inconsistent, that comes to show that storm is consisten and she is ok as it is. I am not trying to make her look like the only one standing, but I want to make clear she deserves Recognition and respect, being that she has trascended so much, Jean is Jean, and Storm is Storm, they both Great, but it really gets on my nerves when they try to make it look like we are here competing trying to make Storm the best when thats not the case, thats just beating a dead Horse, Storm is special and unique in her own special way just like Jean is, thye are both the *****, but ever since Storm came out, I knew what a female superhero hands on is about, Jean has never lead the X Men, that should say something, but agin, Storm is not the strongest telepath in the universe, to me me Storm represents one thing and Jean another, in my personal opinion, I like Storm because her powers are unique, her story is very special, se is diferent and beutiful, a true Goddess, I used to love Jean more when she was that more insecure, troubled girl that didnt believed in her self, I used to like the more "human" like that Jean used to be, the Saga Phoenix was the bomb, but it killed it for me, cause Jean is not the Phoenix, no mater what you say at least not the same Jean we knew before the Saga Phoenix.

Were you being sarcastic. You bashed on Jean that entire comment. I didnt even finish reading it because i knew you were going to keep bashing on her. I dont buy it that Jean is your favorite character, just look at your name it says risingstorm. If jean was your favorite character i think your name would relate to it like everyone else here. everyones favorite character here has something to do withyour name and its obvious Jean isnt your favorite character but storm. Its like me having a name like phoenix is the best and then coming on a thread and saying phoenix sucks. It seems like you just came on here to say yea jean is my fav character and then just bash on her.

About Jean dying yea she did die but it was for some damn good reasons. She was the one who sacraficed her for the x-men every time, last time i checked storm never did that. Maybe the reason storm never died was because she wasnt worth killing unlike jean. Storm was never involved in any mayor plot lines like jean, when apocalipse wanted to rule he needed her to do it without jean or any other telepath he woulnt have been able to do anything. And just some advise, if your going to cheer for storm atleast spell her name right. Halle not Halla. And since when can storm control the stars? I saw someoen post that and ive never seen it so can you please explain it, it sounds interesting. And im not even going to start with the movie world because jean was way more important then storm in all movies. Your whole comment you were saying both jean and storm are special but then you would like totaly bash on jean. I dont know why you think that jean got a 13 year head start yes she was in the x-men but storm had training of her own she used her powers to defend herself and do alot of other things. You say storm is okay as it is but for thelove of god jean is great however she is. Its so pathetic how you say jean has been changed so much and storm hasent. Maybe because storm isnt in any way worth changing. She never had any big parts in anything she just tood there and electricuted people or made fogor something. It sounded like youwere jelous jean has had all this and storm hasent. This thread is now getting stupid because after jean storm is my favorite chracter and i have to bash on her just because people bash on jean.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Um...

Storm is super well known outside of SHH and comic book geeks (us). Like UBER POPULAR.

During the DC and Marvel merge (like LS said), the two company took surverys. Wonder Woman (first female superhero EVER) polled highest to fight Storm (voted highest out of ALL of Marvel), and who won that fight...it wasn't Jean, she didn't make the final cut.

And who won that fight...lets just say the victor's name was "Wonder STORM"

Storm and Wolverine are the most reconizable people (next to spiderman) from Marvel PERIOD.

Wonder why Halle and Hugh are first name stars...especially after the X-men.

Storm is an historic iconic unique character, that sells; that is a fact. Phoenixers need to look beyond thier own fanbase, at the general public.

Oh yeah, and whose merchandise do you think sells more? Cause lord knows thats where Marvel makes thier profit. One HUGE reason why Storm hasn't been killed off regularly yet, she is literally too valuable.

 

[javon]

(to "the phoenix)Uh..none of what you said makes sense because someones favorite character doesn't jave to deal with their name. And just because he bashed (which i don't think he did) on Phoenix doesn't mean he doesn't like her. And if you would have read the rest of his post, you could have seen that he wasn't bashing on Phoenix the hole time.

Not trying to bash or anything, but Mek's posts are kind of...like...I dunno, I dont get them, first starts talking about not slaping Rogue on the face then all this mess about Storm Shippers...what a hell!!??

anyhow, to me it seems like Mek was on a mission and seems to have personal issues with storm, I love Storm and if that makes me a "storm Shipper" fine whatever, I think Storm is a beutiful, COLORFUL, interesting and unique charachter, starting with the fact that she is the very first female superhero of color that dont ask the super dude for help or permission, Storm is an amazing charachter and there is a reason why in the comic world 616 she still alive and Jean is not. and I am going to stop right there and thell you guys (and I hate revealing this, but there is so much nonsense here sometimes) but Jean is my most favorite character, but not because of that am going to be dumb enough like to Bash on storm when Storm well deserves the recognition she had gotten through the years, Jean has only 13 years of advantage on Storm, and Storm Hella caught up, Jean had to stop being Jean and Become the Phoenix to keep up, sorry but is true, There is something about storm that is very interesting, thats the reason why she has not changed much, as where Jean has died several times, has been cloned, done and redone, very inconsistent, that comes to show that storm is consisten and she is ok as it is. I am not trying to make her look like the only one standing, but I want to make clear she deserves Recognition and respect, being that she has trascended so much, Jean is Jean, and Storm is Storm, they both Great, but it really gets on my nerves when they try to make it look like we are here competing trying to make Storm the best when thats not the case, thats just beating a dead Horse, Storm is special and unique in her own special way just like Jean is, thye are both the *****, but ever since Storm came out, I knew what a female superhero hands on is about, Jean has never lead the X Men, that should say something, but agin, Storm is not the strongest telepath in the universe, to me me Storm represents one thing and Jean another, in my personal opinion, I like Storm because her powers are unique, her story is very special, se is diferent and beutiful, a true Goddess, I used to love Jean more when she was that more insecure, troubled girl that didnt believed in her self, I used to like the more "human" like that Jean used to be, the Saga Phoenix was the bomb, but it killed it for me, cause Jean is not the Phoenix, no mater what you say at least not the same Jean we knew before the Saga Phoenix.

OMG. That was very true and you put it into perspective. That is a wonderful post.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

OMG they only put their names first so people will watch it because their more know. For the love of god the movie isnt even about them and they stillput them in the damn cover. It doesnt meananything. They just stand there most of the movie (storm) so i think its stupuid why their names go on the cover and you have to admit, its stup[id for her anem to go in the cover when she just stands there, i understand wolverines and rouge for x1 but storm nope. And yea storm won that but thats because the stupid writers dont know how to handle jean. Do you know how easy it is for jean to take storm out. Jeans telekenisis is alot faster then storms powers. All she has to do is smash her against a wall and she would be out cold. She isnt like wolverine so she wont get up right away. In x2 jean levetated 2 guys like 3 inches of the floor and tapped them against the wall andthey were out cold so what makes you think it won take storm out cold. And they were guys. So you have to admit its really easy for jean to take storm out its just that they made her look stupid for a good part in the comics and cartoons and everywere else.

 

[javon]

Who the hell is talking about a versus between the two? Some of ya'll Phoenix fans lately have been a little "woohoo".