anyone think it was strange that storm turned on jean instantly?

[Majik1387]

Yeah. Of course.

I'm pretty sure everyone here on these boards can agree that scene between Logan and Storm where he's packing her jealousy shows.

 

[micky-fox]

I'm pretty sure everyone here on these boards can agree that scene between Logan and Storm where he's packing her jealousy shows.

I was talking about Nightcrawler.

 

[MaleRogue]

I'm pretty sure everyone here on these boards can agree that scene between Logan and Storm where he's packing her jealousy shows.

Yeah she is...
It looked like Storm has a thing for Logan...
But Yeah it was weird that Storm turned upon Jean... She was a bit mean...

 

[micky-fox]

Yeah she is...
It looked like Storm has a thing for Logan...
But Yeah it was weird that Storm turned upon Jean... She was a bit mean...

I just love it when people charge into threads and write something without reading at least one of the hundreds of posts before them.

It just kinda starts things off again...

 

[MaleRogue]

I just love it when people charge into threads and write something without reading at least one of the hundreds of posts before them.

It just kinda starts things off again...

WTF?
Do you have a problem with me or something?

 

[micky-fox]

WTF?
Do you have a problem with me or something?

No, that just annoys me is all.

I don't want to fight with you, MaleRogue. It's just that your last post kinda resets everything myself and many others have been debating over for the last seven pages.

But it's okay, I overreacted. It's no big.

 

[MaleRogue]

No, that just annoys me is all.

I don't want to fight with you, MaleRogue. It's just that your last post resets everything myself and many others have been debating over for the last seven pages.

No offense but...
Do you really think I will go 7 pages back?
I always read the last two pages...
Not the whole thread...
And I don't wanna fight to... but don't be *****y to me because I don't like Halle or something

 

[micky-fox]

No offense but...
Do you really think I will go 7 pages back?
I always read the last two pages...
Not the whole thread...
And I don't wanna fight to... but don't be *****y to me because I don't like Halle or something

I didn't expect you to read the last seven pages.

It's cool, man. I just overreacted. I apologize.

 

[MaleRogue]

I didn't expect you to read the last seven pages.

It's cool, man. I just overreacted. I apologize.

No need to apologize...
I know I can be rude sometimes...

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Storm did trust logan to kill the evil witch of the west. It happened at the end part thingy climactic battle when she flies away after logan tells her he's the only one who can stop her. How is she to know logan will go through with it? she trusts him.

I disagree.

Storm flew away because she wasn't stupid.

Again, let's consider the facts: Alcatraz was being destroyed before Storm's eyes. Jean murdered her father figure. She also killed her lover/fiance. If she can do all that to the other X-Men, what would she do if Storm approached her?

Jean had not shown an ounce of loyalty up till that point. Not one ounce. Physically speaking Logan was the only one who could stop her. So Storm realized the odds were against her, and promptly flew her behind out of there like everyone else.

Storm was the only smart X-Man in this film.

 

[JeanGrey12]

I disagree.

Storm flew away because she wasn't stupid.

Again, let's consider the facts: Alcatraz was being destroyed before Storm's eyes. Jean murdered her father figure. She also killed her lover/fiance. If she can do all that to the other X-Men, what would she do if Storm approached her?

Jean had not shown an ounce of loyalty up till that point. Not one ounce. Physically speaking Logan was the only one who could stop her. So Storm realized the odds were against her, and promptly flew her behind out of there like everyone else.

Storm was the only smart X-Man in this film.

I dont think she was only smart one, but she was definitly smart enough to realize that it would not be brilliant to take on Jean at the time.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

maybe. the question is does storm know jean's still alive inside the wicked witch of the phoenix, but can't control her powers. Logan and the prof believe it and she has to know they do, but doesn't care i guess because of her killing the prof. To me it's funny how she says 'she made her choice.' when what we saw wasn't really that. jean was sitting around like a vegatable and magsy just kindly directed her to come with him, rathr than ask. i bet if it was her who did the same thing maybe she would have listened as well... difficult to say whether choice was involved...

Wesyeed--I'm loving your points here--even though I disagree with some of them!

Jean DID make her choice--and she made it looooonng before Erik took her from her parent's house. Remember, Storm and Logan found Jean and brought her back to the Mansion. So Storm saw enough of Jean's behavior to form an opinion:

* It was Jean who body-slammed Logan against a wall, ripped a door out the wall and left X-Mansion

*It was Jean who resisted Xavier's telepathic attempts to reach her--Storm witnessed this too

*It was Jean whom Logan cited as Scott's murderer directly to Storm's face

*We have to assume that Xavier, Storm and Logan had much discussion en route to Jean's home--surely Storm got filled in on the details Xavier shared with Logan earlier

*Like Magneto said, she was never kept with the Brotherhood against her will.

*Jean did not help Logan when Erik owned him in the forest.


So I'm sorry, but "mental vegetable" or not, Jean DID make some pretty freakin' clear conscientious choices.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I dont think she was only smart one, but she was definitly smart enough to realize that it would not be brilliant to take on Jean at the time.

Actually, I was being facetious. With Xavier and Scott dead, and Jean being the reason, she was the only original X-Mansion Staff member left to be smart.

 

[Baredevil]

Mmm...but what about Beast? If I'm not mistaken, it was implied in the movie that he was one of the original X-Mansion staffers as well. He even had that early X-Suit that didn't quite fit him anymore.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Ummm, Halle didn't write her lines!!!

Really? Could've fool me. (Really, most of her lines were bad.)

I'd think Storm was spineless if she just decided to forgive Jean; she murdered, obliterated, vaporized, atomized, demoleculerized her father symbol and closest X-Man friend. She can't just be let off the hook..

We know that, and Storm was right in her decision, but the movie didn't take one second showing us the conflict she was facing and it was missed.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Mmm...but what about Beast? If I'm not mistaken, it was implied in the movie that he was one of the original X-Mansion staffers as well. He even had that early X-Suit that didn't quite fit him anymore.

Okay I'll give you that...albeit a retcon of sorts.

But since he had no relationships with any of the characters in the past two films I'm not really counting him. For me, the original X-Men for this particular trilogy were established in X1. Xavier, Scott, Jean, and Storm were the senior staff members in my opinion...and of them all, only Storm is left now.

And yet we wonder why she's angry? Yeah.

 

[The Kid]

I disagree.

Storm flew away because she wasn't stupid.

Again, let's consider the facts: Alcatraz was being destroyed before Storm's eyes. Jean murdered her father figure. She also killed her lover/fiance. If she can do all that to the other X-Men, what would she do if Storm approached her?

Jean had not shown an ounce of loyalty up till that point. Not one ounce. Physically speaking Logan was the only one who could stop her. So Storm realized the odds were against her, and promptly flew her behind out of there like everyone else.

Storm was the only smart X-Man in this film.

Grrr.. you disagree... oh lightning, darnit I hate when that happens especially when it's an all powerful mod doing it. omg deep breath... here we go. well here's my take...I think she flew off because logan told her to go. she seemed like she was going to stay by his side to me (teamwork time) until he told her to get her self up in the air to save some lives somehow instead.

Neither of them should have really stood a chance against phoenix in my eyes. But it seemed to me as though storm was ready to fight if logan wasn't willing to do it. Once she saw that he was, she decided to leave and go help the rest of the x-men and army men escape.

 

[The Kid]

Wesyeed--I'm loving your points here--even though I disagree with some of them!

Jean DID make her choice--and she made it looooonng before Erik took her from her parent's house. Remember, Storm and Logan found Jean and brought her back to the Mansion. So Storm saw enough of Jean's behavior to form an opinion:

* It was Jean who body-slammed Logan against a wall, ripped a door out the wall and left X-Mansion

*It was Jean who resisted Xavier's telepathic attempts to reach her--Storm witnessed this too

*It was Jean whom Logan cited as Scott's murderer directly to Storm's face

*We have to assume that Xavier, Storm and Logan had much discussion en route to Jean's home--surely Storm got filled in on the details Xavier shared with Logan earlier

*Like Magneto said, she was never kept with the Brotherhood against her will.

*Jean did not help Logan when Erik owned him in the forest.


So I'm sorry, but "mental vegetable" or not, Jean DID make some pretty freakin' clear conscientious choices.

no fair. I was talking about Jean, not phoenix. It seemed to me that Jean wanted to just die the whole time. Storm must have known jean wasn't responsible for her actions is all i'm saying really. Jean's journey to the dark side appeared unquestionable to storm even though the prof knew she had some phoenix problems and wasn't making any choices, probably didn't have one anyway. so her saying that jean chose all that stuff while it's more of a mental problem, gave me odd vibes. I'm actually not really sure if it was jean there or phoenix who was the veggie in that scene after xavier's blown up.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

"Jean and the Phoenix are one." That's the latest retconned cop-out from Marvel.

So considering that much of X3 was apparently based on Phoenix: Endsong I have to assume that Jean was in control the entire time. I really didn't see a lot of "switching" back and forth between two personalities once Jean left the mansion. From that point on she was pretty much evil...with no signs of remorse. I'm not ruling out the possibility of a dual personality, but the film didn't show much of it at all once Jean left the X-Men....she never once looked back.

 

[crappymovie]

Umm...Storm was ready to ***** slap Rogue for even contemplating the cure, so what was so strange?

If she was the Storm of X1 or X2, i would have expected some kind of scene with her trying to "bring Jean back" or "fighting Jean, because it has to be done." but in X3, it was perfectly in character. She was just another 1-D representation: Storm strong, so Storm mean.

 

[La_She-Beast]

^Yah that's true "Storm strong, so Storm mean" -that gives another point of why the movie was bad: no evidence on nothing (specially on the personalities of the characters). They didn't give the evidence of Storm being furious with Phoenix, not at all. No explanations like many of the people said here "if she'd killed my father, I'd hate her, etc."

 

[javon]

I don't know, but they were best friends right? And after Jean killed the Profesor, Storm just turned on her like that. I mean I would have thought that being that they were friends, she would have understood the split personalities more and realized that it really was the Phoneix side of her, not Jean. I understand Storm was greatly upset by the loss of the Profesor but it still surprises me. Thoughts?

Also, I added a poll, just out of curosity on who people like better, Storm or Jean. Please don't turn this post into a war on who is better tho. As you can guess I prefer Jean as she has been my favorite marvel character since I discovered Xmen when I was little.

Jean Grey Rocks

You do realize this is the movieverse where they just bask something in their without explaining it?

 

[La_She-Beast]

you're talking to me?

 

[javon]

LOL,no.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

"Jean and the Phoenix are one." That's the latest retconned cop-out from Marvel.

So considering that much of X3 was apparently based on Phoenix: Endsong I have to assume that Jean was in control the entire time. I really didn't see a lot of "switching" back and forth between two personalities once Jean left the mansion. From that point on she was pretty much evil...with no signs of remorse. I'm not ruling out the possibility of a dual personality, but the film didn't show much of it at all once Jean left the X-Men....she never once looked back.

Disagreed.

I don't think that was Jean at all.

Look at what happened right before she left the mansion, and after she left:

-Logan mentions the Professor being able to "fix" her, I.E. CONTROL her powers. Phoenix, not Jean, but Phoenix, wants nothing to do with that. If you notice, it was Jean when Logan mentioned Scott. But once he mentioned fixing her, Phoenix took full control, and blasted out of there.

-The entire confrontation with Xavier at the Grey residence was ALL ABOUT trying to control her again. That was the Phoenix trying to twist Xavier's intentions against him, with the "I have no home" and all of that. Phoenix did not want to be controlled. Therefore, she killed Xavier for it.

-The real Jean tried to contact Logan. With Scott and Xavier now dead, Logan was the only person she could reach to try to save her. It was Jean that telepathically contacted Logan to tell him where she was. Jean wanted to be saved. Phoenix wanted to be set free.

-In the woods, when Jean / Phoenix sees Logan, she becomes Jean, even for a short time. She might not have done anything, but because the Phoenix has already been threatened, and has taken too much control. So when Magneto crept up on Logan and pretty much pwn3d him, it was Phoenix that didn't do anything. But enough of the real Jean showed through for Logan to know that she was still there, and worth fighting for.

-At Alcatraz, she maybe stood around most of the time, but it also seemed as if Jean might have been starting to regain some kind of control... until the military showed up, firing all those cure darts at anything that did or didn't move. That was the ultimate threat to Phoenix's powers, and Phoenix was fully unleashed.

Jean didn't make any choices. It was Phoenix that went ballistic, because Phoenix didn't want to lose her power.

Jean knew what was capable through her, and through her powers, and knew the only way to stop it was to die. And when Logan marched up towards her, and said he'd die for her, the real Jean was able to come through, and she was able to sacrifice herself, not in the traditional sense of suicide, but she took control long enough for Logan to do what had to be done.

I felt a great sense of struggle between Jean and the Phoenix.