anyone think it was strange that storm turned on jean instantly?

[Lightning Strykez!]

That is true but let's face it, it's obvious what the masses got out of the one line.

What masses? Phoenix fans?

My friends and I debated this topic until 3 in the morning after the film's premiere. We all agreed that Storm was simply concluding her arc with Logan from X1. Remember "Then join us--fight with us!"?

From the first film till now Storm had always challenged Logan to make up his mind and do something. Her statement in the hangar was cut from the same pie in my opinion. Logan had allied himself FINALLY with the X-Men. He had FINALLY made a choice. And Storm wanted to make sure he was really ready to do this.

So no, I never once thought that it meant "killing" off Jean. Logan decided to kill her because he knew that was the only thing he could do.

She didn't really see much damage done to Wolverine nor did she see what really happend to scott and she only knows that Xavier died but didnt see it either, and again when Storm said what she said She had yet to kill hundreds so that's out of context.

Huh?

No offense but I think you're grasping for staws here. There were 3 tombstones in that film. Who do you think had to make the arrangements? Hank?

Storm was not aloof here. Scott left and never came back. Logan told her Scott was dead. She found Charles' empty wheelchair. We ALL saw what happened in Act III--and she saw it too amidst the bumrush of panic-stricken soldiers and mutants.

What more proof did she need?

So yes storm didn't witness any good but she had yet too witness The full extent of Chaos, so with the little knowledge she had she was awfully quick to jump on the band wagon. Yes i will agree that Xaviers death may have been enough to make her jump but their should of been a hint of compassion, ATLEAST I feel there should of.

See my comment above.

 

[gambitfire]

What masses? Phoenix fans?

My friends and I debated this topic until 3 in the morning after the film's premiere. We all agreed that Storm was simply concluding her arc from X1--"Then join us--fight with us!" Why?

Because from the first film till now Storm had always challenged Logan to make up his mind and do something. Her statement in the hangar was cut from the same pie in my opinion. Logan had allied himself FINALLY with the X-Men. He had FINALLY made a choice. And Storm wanted to make sure he was really ready to do this.

So no, I never once thought that it meant "killing" off Jean. Logan decided to kill her because he knew that was the only thing he could do.

To you it obviously didn't mean killing her off, cuz we all know you where hanging on to Storms every line , but think of the General public, the bunch of ppl who have complained about halle who only care about Wolverine, did they really dig that deep into it.

Huh? Scott left and never came back. Logan told her Scott was dead. She found Charles' empty wheelchair. We ALL saw what happened in Act III--and she saw it too amidst the bumrush of panic-stricken soldiers and mutants.

What more proof did she need?



See my comment above.

OKAY LAST TIME IM SAYING IT!!! STORM KNEW THAT JEAN KILLED HUNDREDS OF PPL HOW!?!?! She delivered that line before knowing what Jean could truly do, atleast that's what we saw, what you drew out of it is another story. Oh it's not like it matter what Jean did too Scott in Storms eyes cuz she obviously didn't care.

 

[gambitfire]

w/e you do don't reply with a post about if ppl complained about Halle so much why was see so huge in this movie cuz i don't want to diverge from the topic at hand

 

[Goddessreicho]

You know Gambitfire, you made two good points.

Storm has had rage issues and a short fuse thru out the entire trilogy. Her conversations with Sen. Kelly and Nightcrawler prove it. So to answer the question of the thread, NO it isn't that surprising.

Next. Jean is a compassionate person...in the comic books, sure. It's what made the Phoenix saga so compelling. The Jean on screen, meh not so much. Mainly because we don't see enough of her. What we see of her as a child is a aroggant child with far to much power, and not enough control.
So, yeah...

 

[gambitfire]

You know Gambitfire, you made two good points.

Storm has had rage issues and a short fuse thru out the entire trilogy. Her conversations with Sen. Kelly and Nightcrawler prove it. So to answer the question of the thread, NO it isn't that surprising.

okay so you win Storms just an angry person who would never care about a friend in need.

Next. Jean is a compassionate person...in the comic books, sure. It's what made the Phoenix saga so compelling. The Jean on screen, meh not so much. Mainly because we don't see enough of her. What we see of her as a child is a aroggant child with far to much power, and not enough control.
So, yeah...

Did you see X1 an X2 ? It seems like your drawing this from what's fresh in your head ie X3, so go back and watch some X2.

 

[gambitfire]

okay so it's been fun but i have to go.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

To you it obviously didn't mean killing her off, cuz we all know you where hanging on to Storms every line , but think of the General public, the bunch of ppl who have complained about halle who only care about Wolverine, did they really dig that deep into it.

Actually no.

I went to the movies with friends who were members of the "General Public". Two of them never saw X1 or X2. And they came to the same conclusion. Not that that represents "everyone's" viewpoint...but I also don't see where the "masses" are that say otherwise. You don't have to be a Storm or Phoenix fan to have an opinion on this matter.

Besides, if anything, on this board I'm seeing a different kind of pattern with these kinds of threads.

OKAY LAST TIME IM SAYING IT!!! STORM KNEW THAT JEAN KILLED HUNDREDS OF PPL HOW!?!?! She delivered that line before knowing what Jean could truly do, atleast that's what we saw, what you drew out of it is another story. Oh it's not like it matter what Jean did too Scott in Storms eyes cuz she obviously didn't care.

Semantics?

Jean had done enough to warrant Storm's reaction. And again it was LOGAN'S idea to kill Jean. Not Storm's direction as a leader.

And while I can see where some would think that she was insinuating that, Jean was hardly the only problem Logan would face that night: There were TWO armies facing off. So with sooooooooo much going on at once, Storm's statement "Are you ready, to do what you need to do" could apply to many things--and that's my point.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

okay so it's been fun but i have to go.

Have a good night man...it was enjoyable debating with you.

*looks at Weather Witch, S7ilver and Goddess*

Who's next?

 

[Goddessreicho]

okay so you win Storms just an angry person who would never care about a friend in need.



Did you see X1 an X2 ? It seems like your drawing this from what's fresh in your head ie X3, so go back and watch some X2.

There are just so many things wromg with that first statement, it would take me far to long to respond.

Oh yeah flirting and making out with the one person your significant other can't stand defines compassion.

And ah...did you watch X2 all the way. Who was it that remembered that Stryker kidnapped the children and actually went to go get them. It wasn't Jean. (How dare Storm think that you can have a school without students)
As for X1, Jean was nice to Logan because she's a DOCTOR, last time I checked that was called good bed side manner. The whole reading the mind thing, yeah she was flirting.

Other than Logan and Scott she had NO character interaction..who else was she nice too???




Edit: Oooh poo! I just missed him! Dernit

 

[weatherwitch]

Have a good night man...it was enjoyable debating with you.

*looks at Weather Witch, S7ilver and Goddess*

Who's next?

Why are you looking at me? I'm just enjoying the show.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Why are you looking at me? I'm just enjoying the show.

Heh.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Ah well, I'm out too. I think I've caused enough trouble for today. (Sorry LS)

N e waze, got some work to do, and some socializing. Cya

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Sure, sure DoD, just as soon as you edit every random, useless, "I love Famke" post you've made across the board. I'll get right on that.

...Riiight... whatever you say. Thanks for the headache.

 

[danoyse]

Most people off the street do not even know how to pronounce "Famke", not to mention the actress has never achieved anything close to the former's accomplishments. So why would Halle Berry be jealous of Famke Janssen?

One of my friends at work keeps calling her "Damke".

As far as Storm...I don't think it was jealousy at all. I just don't think ever considered that Jean was "back." Her friend died at Alkali Lake.

 

[gambitfire]

There are just so many things wromg with that first statement, it would take me far to long to respond.

in other words you got nothing

Oh yeah flirting and making out with the one person your significant other can't stand defines compassion.

And ah...did you watch X2 all the way. Who was it that remembered that Stryker kidnapped the children and actually went to go get them. It wasn't Jean. (How dare Storm think that you can have a school without students)
As for X1, Jean was nice to Logan because she's a DOCTOR, last time I checked that was called good bed side manner. The whole reading the mind thing, yeah she was flirting.

Other than Logan and Scott she had NO character interaction..who else was she nice too???




Edit: Oooh poo! I just missed him! Dernit

OMG your so right DAMIT Jean should of send Storm to save Cyclops and Xavier and she should of gone to look for the children, STUPID JEAN TRYING TO SAVE THE MAN SHE LOVES!!

and Her sacrificing her life to save everyone in the X-Jet, what's wrong with her who's going to teach Health class while she's gone, GOD She's soooo selfish, i hate Jean im switching over, STORM RULES!!!!!............................................................


............................yea

 

[micky-fox]

Many people here are totally misinterpreting Storm's line "Are you ready to do what you need to do when the time comes?". Like LS has said many times over in this somewhat ignorant thread, it could be interpreted as many different things. I personally interpreted it as her telling him to do what he needs to do, as in work as a team. If that wasn't what she meant, what the hell was the main point of the damn Danger Room sequence and her actions towards Logan after that scene? She was telling him to learn to work together, as a team... do what he has to do.

Never in the entire film was it said that Storm wanted Phoenix dead. She simply didn't want Logan wasting valuable time hunting her down, because she knew it was pointless. Storm never said "Oh! She's gone crazy! Let's go kill her!". It was never even implied through her actions... but I personally wouldn't find it that hard to understand even if she did say that. Jean was gone. Her true power was unleashed and there was no possible way to bring her back. The power had taken over, and the real Jean was trapped... asking Logan to kill her.

You are all freaking out over Storm 'turning on Jean' or 'wanting Jean dead', but she didn't want such a thing... it was Jean who wanted to die. She wanted to be freed... Jean knew it was the only way...

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

it was Jean who wanted to die. She wanted to be freed... Jean knew it was the only way...

Like duh I've known that from the very start when she said "Kill me," and she goddamn well meant it!!

 

[gambitfire]

well im talking about the GP they don't analyze things this much and could of easily taken it as you gotta kill her, after all in her tone of voice she doesn't sound to tolerant towards saving jean.

IMO.

 

[TNC9852002]

Storm probably gave up on her after she killed X...You could tell that there was some sadness in her when she talked to Wolverine (before and after he left the forest)..

-TNC

 

[micky-fox]

well im talking about the GP they don't analyze things this much and could of easily taken it as you gotta kill her, after all in her tone of voice she doesn't sound to tolerant towards saving jean.

IMO.

I sure as hell wouldn't be tolerant in it either. She wasn't tolerant because she knew she couldn't... just as Storm said, she killed the professor... how much more gone can you be than killing your father figure? From this brutal murder, Storm gathered that there was no way to save her. Storm made a choice. And that wasn't to kill Jean... it was to do what was right, and to forget Jean, because her real friend was long gone.

 

[gambitfire]

Storm probably gave up on her after she killed X...You could tell that there was some sadness in her when she talked to Wolverine (before and after he left the forest)..

-TNC

*watches that scene*

yup she's upset but pissed.....................lol she got the ***** shoved out of her.........................yup she's pissed.

 

[gambitfire]

I sure as hell wouldn't be tolerant in it either. She wasn't tolerant because she knew she couldn't... just as Storm said, she killed the professor... how much more gone can you be than killing your father figure? From this brutal murder, Storm gathered that there was no way to save her. Storm made a choice. And that wasn't to kill Jean... it was to do what was right, and to forget Jean, because her real friend was long gone.

That's all nice and fine but once more im talking GP, a public that hasn't really seen Storm's relationship with the professor because they have had Wolverine shoved up to thier neck, a public that won't over analyze everything, a public that figures they are all X-men they are all friends alot of ppl saw the TAS and saw that the X-men stuck by jean no matter what.

Oh and She killed Scott and Xavier knew this, Scott was like a son to him, but he also knew it wasn't Jeans fault, WHICH WOLVERINE TOLD STORM.

w/e if alot of ppl are feeling that this was a turn around from Storm then the real message wasn't properly sent across.

From what ive gathered from alot of ppl ive talked too who aren't fanboy or girls, she did turn awfully quickly in their opinions, im not saying that they are right but this is what they got from it.

Edit- STUPID TYPOS!!

 

[micky-fox]

That's all nice and fine but once more im talking GP, a public that hasn't really seen Storm's relationship with the professor because they have had Wolverine shoved up to thier neck, a public that won't over analyze everything, a public that figures they are all X-men they are all friends alot of ppl saw the TAS and saw that the X-men stuck by jean no matter what.

What the hell? Who cares about what the general public who 'haven't seen Storm's relationship with the professor' thinks? None of us are the general public, this isn't a general public board and this thread isn't titled 'Did the general public think it was strange that Storm turned on Jean instantly?'. Why go there?

Oh and She killed Scott and Xavier knew this, Scott was like a son to him, but he also knew it wasn't Jeans fault, WHICH WOLVERINE TOLD STORM.

Once again, Storm knew it wasn't Jean's fault as well. She never blamed Jean in the slightest. No-one blamed her. Jean was gone, how could she possibly be blamed? Logan was wrong in thinking that he could bring her back. Storm knew she couldn't be saved. End of that story.

w/e if alot of ppl are feeling that this was a turn around from Storm then the real message wasn't properly sent across.

That didn't make any sense at all to me...

From what ive gathered from alot of ppl ive talked too who aren't fanboy or girls, she did turn awfully quickly in their opinions, im not saying that they are right but this is what they got from it.

She turned quickly in her opinion on Jean, because there was no Jean to turn on. There was the Phoenix, a power hungry killing machine. There was no 'turning against' anyone. There was only a hatred for the vicious creature who murdered Storm's father and brother figures and was slowly killing her best friend.

 

[Gamma Ray]

I don't know, but they were best friends right? And after Jean killed the Profesor, Storm just turned on her like that. I mean I would have thought that being that they were friends, she would have understood the split personalities more and realized that it really was the Phoneix side of her, not Jean. I understand Storm was greatly upset by the loss of the Profesor but it still surprises me. Thoughts?

This film had no emotional value. Why are you surprised by stuff like that?

 

[micky-fox]

This film had no emotional value. Why are you surprised by stuff like that?

Why enter a thread and completely ingore the opinions of people who actually found it had emotional value to write a pointless statement?