The Dark Knight Are We Judging This Film Too Soon?

[turtlefocker]

this thread is pointless

 

[Sccmj23]

this thread is pointless

I disagree.

Its a valid concern amongst TDK/BB fans and it is something that is worth discussing.

 

[Kleric]

I agree, this seems to be a new trend. Perhaps a side effect of having access to too much information. I feel this stretches to far more than just fanboyisum but to news in general.

In my opinion people tend to gravitate toward information that validates their opinion instead of seeking out non-partisan information, or even opinions that contradict theirs.

Far too often people get one source of information (often from a blog) and run with it. The Anthony Michael Hall debate is a perfect example. We don’t know anything yet people are already making up their minds.

As of right now I prefer to keep an open mind and enjoy the anticipation.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I agree, this seems to be a new trend. Perhaps a side effect of having access to too much information. I feel this stretches to far more than just fanboyisum but to news in general.

In my opinion people tend to gravitate toward information that validates their opinion instead of seeking out non-partisan information, or even opinions that contradict theirs.

Far too often people get one source of information (often from a blog) and run with it. The Anthony Michael Hall debate is a perfect example. We don’t know anything yet people are already making up their minds.

As of right now I prefer to keep an open mind and enjoy the anticipation.

Good post!

 

[Sccmj23]

Good post!

I second that

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

of course people are judging theis movie way too earlier thats how people get they see one bit of information and they judge it like a peice of meat. However my confidence level in this fil is high and I've liked everything released so far

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

this thread is pointless

Then don't post on it. I too agree that this thread is pointless but we have both probably posted threads that other people thought were pointless.

 

[TheBatman072]

People are judging the film based off the fact that Batman Begins was a nonsensical, pretentious film. IMO, everything released so far points to another terrible film.

Who let you out of your cave you cute little troll?

 

[dude stannis]

OK first the SR comparison is off. Because those who like aren't just a small hand full.

Second, I'm basing my opinion of the movie on a: what I know about it and b: Begins.

Basically all I know is I like the suit and the Batpod but the Joker sucks. That can change with further information.

 

[MacLeod]

You know, at first I was going to agree with Soze, but then Saint made a staggeringly valid point. Not only is SR a case in point, but IMO Transformers is an example, too - a movie that everybody was prepared to hate and seem to have actually accepted.

Spider-Man 3 I think we all thought would be great and yet everybody is agreed that it wasn't great. I think some people like it okay (such as myself) and some people hate it, but nobody thinks it's great, because, well, it's not.

TDK is a movie that we're all very excited to see, and we all want it to succeed, but Nolan has definitely made a bunch of unusual choices, and it's bound to throw people off. I hated the Joker's look at first. I wasn't crazy about the Batsuit at first. A lot of those things are not at all what I wanted to see. Every time there's a report about Joker putting on makeup I cringe.

BUT -- and here's the big but -- these things are growing on me. I'm actually glad to see them now, ahead of time, because I have the chance to get used to them. If my first exposure to Ledger's Joker was in the film, I don't know how I'd have reacted - hell, I'd probably have enjoyed the film less as a result.

I don't know what I'll think of the film, but I know I *want* to enjoy it.

I *wanted* to enjoy Batman & Robin, too, in fact I was sure I would - but like Saint says - fanboys have the ability to change their minds.

I agree, Superman Returns turned out good, Spiderman 3 was not good at all in my opinion, and The Transformers was amazing. With that said, at least in preparation for Superman Returns, Spiderman, and The Transformers the main character(s) looked like they were supposed to. Superman still looked like Superman from the comics, Spiderman still looked like Spidey, and the Robots looked like Robots. There were some small differences but the concepts were the same and we were able to see that before the movies ever began. Begins looked like it was a man in a war not Batman against crime in a city and TDK looks like the war became more miltaristic compared to Batman becoming better. That, and the TDK suit looks like it came from The Transformers movie, he looks robotic. Everyone keeps saying, "Wait to you see the movie before you judge it." What if watching the movie makes no difference because when you see the new stuff your already hating it? What if the creators of SR decided to make the suit out of brown velvet with a yellow cape, Lois was Asian, and Metropolis was something out of a Schumacher film and people were saying the movie should be good. Would you enjoy it even if were written and directed well? I think not because you'll see things that shouldn't be there. Same here, I can judge a movie based on what I see before hand, even if the movie is great it's just a vigilante using gadgets compared to Batman using Batman devices because nothing looks like a Batman movie. There was a Tumbler and Bi-weave suit now there is a Pod and an obvious armor suit. This isn't Batman, it's riot gear military material. That's not prejudging the movie, that's just fact.

 

[Shoemeister]

this thread is pointless

So far all the posts I've seen you make are pointless.




This is the only one I've seen.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Yeah, I'm definitely guilty of this, and I won't lie, I'm not to excited about alot of things that have been released, but I'm definitely going to see the movie regardless. And I'll most likely see the third one, too. And all of my judgements could be horribly wrong. If so, awesome.

My point being this: I may have judgements, but I won't let them affect whether or not I enjoy the film. If the movie itself sucks, I won't enjoy it. If it's awesome, I'll love it. However, in the mean time, I'm going to judge based on speculation and released information.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Everyone needs to keep their complaints about the movie to themselves, already a few images of Heath as the Joker have surfaced and people are crying fowl, trust in Nolan.

I miss the old day when there was no internet and fans had to wait for programs like Entertainment Tonight and E! for news.

 

[dude stannis]

Everyone needs to keep their complaints about the movie to themselves, already a few images of Heath as the Joker have surfaced and people are crying fowl, trust in Nolan.

I miss the old day when there was no internet and fans had to wait for programs like Entertainment Tonight and E! for news.

Does the internet deserve to die?

Yes it deserves to die! And I hope it burns in hell!

 

[Matchbox]

People are judging the film based off the fact that Batman Begins was a nonsensical, pretentious film. IMO, everything released so far points to another terrible film.

While I think that some of the writing made Batman Begins too heavy-handed at times, I honestly don't see how one could say that it is "nonsensical" and "terrible". I think you're reaching for something that simply isn't there,

As for the topic at hand, I have a really good feeling about this film. I love the way Nolan is crafting a fully-fleshed out story and having the viewer plunged into a world of characters and happenings. This really gives the film an epic scope and expands it for further movies in the same vein.

-Matchbox

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Okay, this is a pretty complex idea, and one I'm not sure I can express coherently. But I hope you all get what I'm saying:

Does it seem to any of you like, a year before its release, a lot of us have already come to our final verdict on "The Dark Knight".

What I mean is...well, I bet if I were to compile up a list, right now, of all the people on this board who will review the movie positively in 2008, and all the people who will review it negatively, a year from now it would stand at about 80% accurate, at least.

It seems like people have already decided what their opinion on this movie is. It seems we have the same people who just hate EVERYTHING that is released about this movie. They hate the casting. They hate the plot details. They hate the look of The Joker. They hate the look of Batman. They hate Batman's new bike. They hate EVERYTHING. This mentality just seems to be going the way where the people partaking in it are setting up the movie for a fall. Like...even if the film turns out to be great, a lot of them are going to have to crap on it now, because they've committed themselves to all this negativity, and don't want to seem like they're "losing the argument".

Of course, it works both ways. There are people (if I admit it, me included) who love every new detail about this film. People who are just eating up every little nugget of hype, to the point where they've already decided this is going to be the best comic book movie ever.

Are we all being a little premature?

I mean, I see people talking about part 3, and wondering if Nolan's going to beat the "Part 3 Curse", as if its a given that "The Dark Knight" is going to be awesome. And on the other side of things, I see people talking about the movie in the past tense. "This movie WAS going to be great," etc etc. And don't get me started on the "Batman & Robin" comparisons, and BINO and JINO...

It seems like many of us have already decided whether we love or hate this movie, long before we're actually going to see it. Is this really the case? And if so, is it a good or a bad thing?

It's just how "buzz" on the Internet works. You need to remember why they call this place Superhero HYPE. It's not because the name sounds cool.

If people like what they are hearing about the movie, they are going to be jazzed about it. If they don't like what they are hearing about it, they will have a negative opinion about it. That may or may not carry over to the actual film itself, depending on whether or not it matched or exceeded their expectations.

Even without the Internet... even if we just had trailers and TV spots and posters to go by, it would still create the same thing. Some people would like what they are seeing and hearing, and some wouldn't.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I'm way open to the fact this movie "could" very well suck, I just don't see a single move that indicates anything like that

if it sucks it sucks, and it will be the best suck ever cause it will have fooled me

 

[MiniBond]

I'm not gonna be original at all but YES I'm quite sure it 's gonna be awesome !!! Of course if you didn't like Nolan's point of view in BB you better let go but, to this point, all the news (and I say ALL) are very promising and exciting:

- good cast !! Sure Eckhart is gonna rock as Dent (after his Dent lookalike in Thank you for smoking I can'ts see why he'd be disappointing), same for Ledger who wasn't obvious but could be an oscar winner (see, I'm really judging too soon t: ) ! Still little doubts about Maggie but her style in the pics gets her close to Katie !!

- good perspêctive: Nolan remains faithful to BB's end and the theme of "escalation" !!!! How couldn't it be the best way to show the Knight as an epic figure ???

- good director: Nolan never disappointed me !

- good writing: Jonah Nolan on board gentlemen !!! Could be everlasting !!!:heart:

But of course if I'm completely mistaken, if the movie sucks (sincerely hope not) i'd say it without problems !!!But From the moment you're a fan and believes in the resurrection of Batman throughout Nolan's mind, you can only get excited !!!

Nevertheless there may be some things we dislike in the final product !!!

 

[Batman jr.]

Batman Jr. is going to tell you this:

Last year, I felt sad: Daniel Craig was going to be the new Bond ??? WTF ??? How could they? I remember myself thinking: "this wil suck. this will flop or do nothing at the box office. They should've made CR WITH Pierce, so they could give him a decent "farewell" Bondmovie. A continuation yes, but stripped down, no invisible cars, no bad-acting Halle Berries and no stupid dialogue". I felt like this for a few weeks, until the first pics came in. "Not that bad, but still not enough to convice me", I thought. All of a sudden, more & more pics came in PLUS the first trailer. Yours truly literally said: "Hm, this might work after all". More pics, more footage, trailers, the website... I was convinced!!!! Craig would do a fantastic job. And after seeing the movie 10-15 times, I still think the same. Craig is much better than Brosnan, and he brings elements of Connery in his portrayal, without copying him. Can't wait for Bond 22. After a while, I realised that I had already seen him in Tomb Raider and Road To Perdition.

Longer ago, I saw Superman returns. Not THAT bad, much better than Hulk & Spiderman 3. The latter wasn't going to suck, was my opinion. How wrong was I. And for the record: X-men 3 wasn't bad either. I thought "no Singer? Bad movie". Yes, you can see that this movie had a different director, but he did a good job. Besides, a certain scene with Rebecca Romijn I just can't forget

So... I think TDK will be awesome. Even better than BB. But does that mean it can't suck? Of course not. See above; you think "this movie will suck" or "this movie will be awesome" and when you finally see it, your opinion about it has changed dramaticly. So, I'm very excited right now, but I'll wait until I see more. They should really release the teaser soon, it helps.

 

[turtlefocker]

So far all the posts I've seen you make are pointless.


This is the only one I've seen.

Thats actually pretty funny.

 

[BurtonBegan]

Its not a case of judging for me, just discussing and exchanging views on possibillities that could occur from rumour.
Dark Knight won't be judged until i've seen it 10 times.

 

[MacLeod]

Everyone needs to keep their complaints about the movie to themselves, already a few images of Heath as the Joker have surfaced and people are crying fowl, trust in Nolan.

I miss the old day when there was no internet and fans had to wait for programs like Entertainment Tonight and E! for news.

See there's the problem, I don't trust Nolan. Yes, he restarted the franchise and stayed closer to the comic origin so that was good but I don't everything he did with the movie. Without going into all the details that will get my head ripped off there are things that I really didn't like about Begins and the same is starting to happen regarding TDK. Because of my feelings about Begins and what I've seen for TDk I can easily say that my judgment for this new film is less than good. Even if the film itself is a good film in the ways of plot and direction I will never like the new pod, suit, or the look of the Joker. Unfortunately I personally need to like those things to like the movie no matter how good it is. If I dont' like how Batman looks I won't care as much about wanting him do his thing, add to that the fact that I can't see much action because of the filming style and the point is almost mute.

 

[MiniBond]

See there's the problem, I don't trust Nolan. Yes, he restarted the franchise and stayed closer to the comic origin so that was good but I don't everything he did with the movie. Without going into all the details that will get my head ripped off there are things that I really didn't like about Begins and the same is starting to happen regarding TDK. Because of my feelings about Begins and what I've seen for TDk I can easily say that my judgment for this new film is less than good. Even if the film itself is a good film in the ways of plot and direction I will never like the new pod, suit, or the look of the Joker. Unfortunately I personally need to like those things to like the movie no matter how good it is. If I dont' like how Batman looks I won't care as much about wanting him do his thing, add to that the fact that I can't see much action because of the filming style and the point is almost mute.

In this case you don't buy Nolan's approach of the franchise and it's done !!
Unfortunately nothing to do to make you buy it (and I can understand you don't: I personnaly dislike a bit Batman Returns and its overwhelming gothic atmosphere)!!!

 

[MacLeod]

In this case you don't buy Nolan's approach of the franchise and it's done !!
Unfortunately nothing to do to make you buy it (and I can understand you don't: I personnaly dislike a bit Batman Returns and its overwhelming gothic atmosphere)!!!

I can respect you not liking Returns, it's not for everyone. I, on the other hand, like the dark gothic look, maybe I'm screwed up in the head but the first two movies are for me. I liked Begins I just don't like how the realism is taking away from what I consider to be Batman. What I don't understand though is why Nolan has to have an approach to the Batman concept? The character has been developed already all he had to do was put it on screen. There is really no need to do yet another rubberized suit and go all militaristic with it.

 

[CFE]

I agree 100 percent.

People are investing too much into looking at (and chopping down) the trees rather than waiting patiently to see the forest.

I have a feeling TDK will be good, but I'm not passionately one way or another on it.

That judgment will come with opening day; the same should go for EVERYONE on here

CFE