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The Winter Soldier Arnim Zola

I think the "Zola Bot" plans in TFA was more of a fun easter egg than something we should expect to actually show up in the "flesh" in a future movie. I could be wrong though. I do think their adaptation of the comic book version in TWS was a perfect homage/reference to the comics without going full campy.

I find this perception strange, because Marvel Studios has gone all out so far. You honestly think we'd never get robot Zola from them? I can bet that we'll either see Robo-Zola in AoU and/or Cap 3.
 
There's an interview with the writers of the movie where they initially wrote that Zola transferred his consciousness to his robot form and walked out of the bunker before it got blown up but the producers were like "too much, too much". The writers are total comic book fans, hell, they even want to do MODOK.


They didn't say "too much, too much." The Russos just, in the end, decided not to use the android scene. But they *did* script it, so they knew full well about Zola's comic book persona and were fully intending to pay homage to it. Instead, they left the door open for that in future Avengers/Captain America films.
 
Zola's presence in this film was a great surprise for me and so bizarre in its specifics. I really loved the execution.
 
I think a facebook cover would be quite apt.

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That is so cool. That's the face that should be on the screen when he's Robo-Zola.
 
Zola is one despicable muthaf**ka. What a sneaky little bastard. Just my 2 cents on his character after watching TWS.
 
Loved him in TFA and loved him even more in TWS. Everything from his look to Jones performance. Just one more thing the Russo's nailed in a film full of things they nailed. Possible my 2nd or 3rd favorite scene in the movie.

And there is no way he's gone for good. You think a guy like that goes to all the trouble of transferring his consciousness to a supercomputer and then fails to back himself up over the next 40 years? No way.
 
For those saying that Zola acted differently in TFA compared to what we saw in TWS, there's a reason for that. Zola back in WW2 had a body and an actual soul. We saw him react with fear and slight trepidation under the Red Skull, but his loyalty to HYDRA was ultimately undying. Now we see him in his new form, with no human vessel, no soul and nothing to fear, with only his loyalty to HYDRA and his devious mind still intact. That's what's so creepy seeing how much he went from a meek little man in TFA to a boasting and deadly A.I. in TWS. I love it.

Great post
 
Zola is the greatest, and most unsung, villain in the MCU.

Despite Toby Jones only having a handful of minutes of actual screentime, consider this:

*Arnim Zola was already building an army of exoskeletons for the Nazis during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s.

*Red Skull recruited him and steered him towards biotech and creating an army of HYDRA super-soldiers to combat Erskine's Super-Soldier program for the Americans.

*Zola got hold of one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe and not only figured out how to use it, but converted it to an assembly line that mass-produced the most advanced weaponry mankind had ever seen.

*After the War, Zola was recruited by SHIELD in an "Operation Paperclip"-type spy swap (the same one that saw real-life Werner von Braun start making rockets for America's space program). He used that opportunity to keep HYDRA alive and in the shadows, for over 70 years....right under the nose of Nick Fury himself.

*Zola found a way to transfer his consciousness to a computer, insuring his virtual immortality as an AI.

*Zola created an algorithm that could identify and locate not only *existing* superheroes, but even *potential* ones.....and then kill them all.

*There's a very good chance that Zola could become instrumental in the origins of any combination of Ultron, of (potentially) MODOK, and of "The Clairvoyant" from Marvel's Agents of SHIELD.

Seriously: this dude is badass. He's easily the biggest evil mastermind in the MCU, dwarfing Aldrich Killian, Loki, and even Thanos himself in terms of sheer genius and scheming.
 
I have a vision in my head of Ultron, Loki, Zola (in some kind of TV-robot form) and Von Strucker sitting around a U-shaped table planning how to destroy the Avengers. Maybe add in Justin Hammer for comic relief.
 
I have a vision in my head of Ultron, Loki, Zola (in some kind of TV-robot form) and Von Strucker sitting around a U-shaped table planning how to destroy the Avengers. Maybe add in Justin Hammer for comic relief.

And have it take place at the Legion of Doom HQ out in the swamp, with Lex Luthor, Joker and Grundy sitting in. :woot:



I assume that was in an MCU comic. Which one?

Captain America: First Vengeance. It was the CATFA prequel comic. You can catch the first of four installments on Youtube here:

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Zola is one despicable muthaf**ka. What a sneaky little bastard. Just my 2 cents on his character after watching TWS.

Yea, he wasn't even really physically in TWS, and I hated him twice as much as I did in the first movie.
 
And have it take place at the Legion of Doom HQ out in the swamp, with Lex Luthor, Joker and Grundy serving drinks. :woot:


Fixed. Let's be real about the quality gulf between the two franchises right now. :woot:
 
Zola is the greatest, and most unsung, villain in the MCU.

Despite Toby Jones only having a handful of minutes of actual screentime, consider this:

*Arnim Zola was already building an army of exoskeletons for the Nazis during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s.

*Red Skull recruited him and steered him towards biotech and creating an army of HYDRA super-soldiers to combat Erskine's Super-Soldier program for the Americans.

*Zola got hold of one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe and not only figured out how to use it, but converted it to an assembly line that mass-produced the most advanced weaponry mankind had ever seen.

*After the War, Zola was recruited by SHIELD in an "Operation Paperclip"-type spy swap (the same one that saw real-life Werner von Braun start making rockets for America's space program). He used that opportunity to keep HYDRA alive and in the shadows, for over 70 years....right under the nose of Nick Fury himself.

*Zola found a way to transfer his consciousness to a computer, insuring his virtual immortality as an AI.

*Zola created an algorithm that could identify and locate not only *existing* superheroes, but even *potential* ones.....and then kill them all.

*There's a very good chance that Zola could become instrumental in the origins of any combination of Ultron, of (potentially) MODOK, and of "The Clairvoyant" from Marvel's Agents of SHIELD.

Seriously: this dude is badass. He's easily the biggest evil mastermind in the MCU, dwarfing Aldrich Killian, Loki, and even Thanos himself in terms of sheer genius and scheming.
I don't know about greatest villain, but man, what a fantastic post. :up:
 
More Toby Jones in future MCU films, please.
 
I love how they handled Zola. This was one of the hardest villains in Marvel to take seriously with his silly design, and they managed to pull it off and make a legitimately frightening villain.

Gives us hope for MODOK in the future.
 
I am so down with Modok. They can make him so gruesome, kids will be begging Hulk to take him out just so they don't have to see him anymore. :awesome:
 
I have a vision in my head of Ultron, Loki, Zola (in some kind of TV-robot form) and Von Strucker sitting around a U-shaped table planning how to destroy the Avengers. Maybe add in Justin Hammer for comic relief.

I don't think those guys would let Justin Hammer serve them drinks :cwink:
 
I am so down with Modok. They can make him so gruesome, kids will be begging Hulk to take him out just so they don't have to see him anymore. :awesome:

I have long been a proponent of overcoming his inherant silliness by making him as dreadful as possible. I want today's children to be horrified by MODOK just as I was by the villain's robot sister in Superman III (which looks quite stupid now but when I was 8? Not so much!)
 
His voice was haunting after they revealed the twist with him. Reminded of Jigsaw on tape following the 3rd film. "I am still among you."
 
Do we assume Zola is dead well due to Hydra wiping out the whole place and likely destroying the database were he uploaded his consciousness. Although I assume it would be easy to find parts if they could be recovered and upload Zola into other super computers.
 

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