Arrow Arrow 3.23 My Name Is Oliver Queen

[DCMarv37]

What worked (for me): I don't follow spoilers, so Thea showing up as 'Speedy' was seriously kick ass. Nice to see everybody [TA + friends] together like that - despite the ridiculousness of the reasons and Oliver's big announcement to up and quit to go be lost in twue wuv with the great Felicity.

What didn't really work, or just flat out sucked (for me): Everything else.

So what did everyone think of that big 'shark' that tried to jump the show tonight; ie Felicity in the Atom suit to save Oliver? What I mean by that, is it was actually a huge killer whale that didn't complete the jump and ended up falling on the show and totally obliterating the thing upon landing. "Bug going splat on a speeding truck's windshield" type of impact and resulting devastation.

Combine that with the whole 'riding off into the sunset' ending, and I just... I just can't. Can't even.


Thank God I decided to check out The Flash. Flash s1 is thousands of light years better than s3 of Arrow. And even that might not be a big enough descriptor of the comparisons in the writing quality and plot directional choices of each show.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I think it will be since the major part of the season, Oliver/Felicity getting together, has been completed. Now they can expand the rest of the show.

I'm just gonna hope for some friggin stability on the relationship front next season, too much relationship drama this season. They need to spend some time dealing with this season's unfinished business as well, Nyssa and Laurel have some incredibly unfinished business with Malcolm Merlyn, and Oliver needs to get back in the game and repair his broken friendship with Diggle and make peace with Lance, not to mention Damien Darhk. Next season already has too much on its plate for us to endure more Olicity drama.

 

[C_Carmichael]

I don't see why people are getting freaked out. This is likely not going to be the story as we head into Season 4.

Just a reminder...we're about to receive the Arrow-verse version of the "Flashpoint Paradox" on Tuesday's Season Finale for The Flash, and since there is likely to be universe altering mayhem to follow, I don't think this "Arrow has retired" schtick is going to remain.

Frankly, the existence of the Flashpoint Paradox gave the creative team the opportunity to do whatever the heck they want in the finale, with a magic reset button for next week.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I don't see why people are getting freaked out. This is likely not going to be the story as we head into Season 4.

Just a reminder...we're about to receive the Arrow-verse version of the "Flashpoint Paradox" on Tuesday's Season Finale for The Flash, and since there is likely to be universe altering mayhem to follow, I don't think this "Arrow has retired" schtick is going to remain.

Frankly, the existence of the Flashpoint Paradox gave the creative team the opportunity to do whatever the heck they want in the finale, with a magic reset button for next week.

That's speculation, we don't know how the Flash finale is going to play out yet. And they are almost certainly not going to Flashpoint Arrow to retcon a bunch of things, a lot of Arrow's audience doesn't watch the Flash, and would find Barry time travelling and breaking time with a paradox only to repair it and create a new continuity a little much to swallow at the present moment.

 

[SpideyVille]

I just noticed, other than the fade to black Red of the suit, Thea is wearing an entirely different costume than Roy's.

Either way, I love it. I also find it cute how she refers to Digg as "Mr. Diggle"

 

[DCMarv37]

I don't see why people are getting freaked out. This is likely not going to be the story as we head into Season 4.

Just a reminder...we're about to receive the Arrow-verse version of the "Flashpoint Paradox" on Tuesday's Season Finale for The Flash, and since there is likely to be universe altering mayhem to follow, I don't think this "Arrow has retired" schtick is going to remain.

Frankly, the existence of the Flashpoint Paradox gave the creative team the opportunity to do whatever the heck they want in the finale, with a magic reset button for next week.

Everyone seems to think this is almost a definite thing - that 'Flashpoint' will happen in the Flash's season finale, and will affect Arrow too (being in the same universe).

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Will the 'Flashpoint' changes and differences start at the point of [BLACKOUT]the night that Nora Allen originally died, thus ~15 years ago?[/BLACKOUT] And if so, does that completely change some things in the Arrow timeline too??

I watch both shows, so it won't be a huge problem keeping up, but for someone who only watches Arrow and not Flash, there's gonna be some real 'wtf!?' going on, if this really happens (Arrow getting a 're-boot' of sorts because of something that happened on another show, next season).

As long as it ends the story ruining mess that is Olicity - without it starting up again after changing the timeline - I'll find a way to go along with it.

 

[vantheman77]

Glad Thea gets the codename of Speedy from Oliver as he's been known to call her that. Red Arrow belongs to Roy Harper if and when he returns at some point in the 4th season.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Seem like team arrow is disbanded kind of...Diggle going his seperate way Thea/Laurel probably the only people left to protect the city?

 

[JC00]

I don't see why people are getting freaked out. This is likely not going to be the story as we head into Season 4.

Just a reminder...we're about to receive the Arrow-verse version of the "Flashpoint Paradox" on Tuesday's Season Finale for The Flash, and since there is likely to be universe altering mayhem to follow, I don't think this "Arrow has retired" schtick is going to remain.

Frankly, the existence of the Flashpoint Paradox gave the creative team the opportunity to do whatever the heck they want in the finale, with a magic reset button for next week.

They don't have the stones to do that.

The last I knew they said any Flash time travel will only affect Flash because they don't want to confuse the people that only watch Arrow.

 

[JC00]

Someone else wrote it but I 100% agree. Guggenheim's video at the end there was to tell the casual viewers who don't hit look up Arrow news that this wasn't the end of Arrow because there had to be some people thinking that was the end of the series the way the last few minutes were

 

[Primal Slayer]

I don't see why people are getting freaked out. This is likely not going to be the story as we head into Season 4.

Just a reminder...we're about to receive the Arrow-verse version of the "Flashpoint Paradox" on Tuesday's Season Finale for The Flash, and since there is likely to be universe altering mayhem to follow, I don't think this "Arrow has retired" schtick is going to remain.

Frankly, the existence of the Flashpoint Paradox gave the creative team the opportunity to do whatever the heck they want in the finale, with a magic reset button for next week.

They aren't going to let another show erase everything they've done. And it most likely won't be sticking on Flash or do anything that affects the two shows from crossing over.

 

[haephestus]

Giving him the League after telling him the he would never forgive him for what he's done to Sara and Thea... "Here, You tried to blow up the city, you drugged my sister and made her kill my ex-girlfriend, you had me almost dead for some no-sense plan and I'll never forgive you for this. Now here, take charge of the League of Assassins where they also happen to have a pit that makes you immortal, bye".....

I may be misremembering, but wasn't Malcolm also responsible for sinking the Queen's Gambit, which directly led to the death of Robert Queen, Oliver's five years of h3ll and Sara's time captive on the Amazo and her forced membership of the LOA.

Not to mention Tommy's death during the Undertaking (along with 500 odd people). And I'm pretty sure his treatment of Moira Queen in season 2 and his actions with Thea between seasons 2 and 3 would be considered psychological torture or at the very least constitute pretty serious mental and emotional manipulation.

 

[C_Carmichael]

They aren't going to let another show erase everything they've done. And it most likely won't be sticking on Flash or do anything that affects the two shows from crossing over.

If they don't reset tonight's events, then next Season's Arrow is basically the Laurel & Thea show, with maybe some Diggle tossed in. Ray is gone (LoT), Malcom and Nyssa are back in Nanda Parbat and Oliver and Felicity are off making wuvsies on the West Coast.

To put it bluntly, the writers just imploded the Arrow side of the Arrow-verse, and I'm really not to sure how well the Thea & Laurel Variety Hour is going to sell to fans.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Laurel & Thea show would be PERFECTION.

 

[ardee]

If they don't reset tonight's events, then next Season's Arrow is basically the Laurel & Thea show, with maybe some Diggle tossed in. Ray is gone (LoT), Malcom and Nyssa are back in Nanda Parbat and Oliver and Felicity are off making wuvsies on the West Coast.

To put it bluntly, the writers just imploded the Arrow side of the Arrow-verse, and I'm really not to sure how well the Thea & Laurel Variety Hour is going to sell to fans.

You really think Ollie isn't coming back? He'll be gone two episodes, max.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

If they don't reset tonight's events, then next Season's Arrow is basically the Laurel & Thea show, with maybe some Diggle tossed in. Ray is gone (LoT), Malcom and Nyssa are back in Nanda Parbat and Oliver and Felicity are off making wuvsies on the West Coast.

To put it bluntly, the writers just imploded the Arrow side of the Arrow-verse, and I'm really not to sure how well the Thea & Laurel Variety Hour is going to sell to fans.

Well, common sense kinda dictates Ollie will be back before long. It's like the Iron Man 3 ending, it doesn't have its full impact because we know Tony will be back in the suit in the next film. Ollie will be back when the **** hits the fan.

 

[DCMarv37]

Is it too much to hope that with that (craptastic) ending, that was TPTB telling the 'vocal via social media' part of the fanbase that "you got your Olicity, and they even got to 'ride off into the sunset', but its over now and you just gotta deal with it."??

Yeah, I know, a ginormous case of wishful thinking, but that's the only way I could ever stomach the last few Oliver-centric minutes of the s3 finale ever again.

 

[ardee]

Oh my god. That was terrible. Horrific.

I can't even begin. First of all, Oliver's 'plan' was so lame I can't even begin to describe it. So anticlimatic. He didn't even attempt to try and keep Ra's on the plane. Why reveal himself and have him jump off so early? The only good piece of writing, "My name is Oliver Queen" happened too early in the episode to have any impact.

I don't like how they made Malcolm seem like a good guy again. And I refuse to believe Ollie would trust him with the LoA.

I didn't understand what was going on with Ra's and Ollie at the end. Why did Ra's think that if Ollie killed him he would have to become the new Ra's? What on Earth would compell him to do so? As we saw, he finished with it and happily rode off into the sunset.

And there was no drama about him breaking his no kill vow.

Was him telling Ra's "they will bow before the new Ra's al Ghul" kind of screwing with Ra's telling him that he would ascend but in reality Malcolm would take over?

Idk what's going on. Season 2 finale was 20 times as good.

 

[C_Carmichael]

You really think Ollie isn't coming back? He'll be gone two episodes, max.

I actually think they might New 52 him. In the New 52, Green Arrow is in Seattle, not Star City, and they were driving up the Pacific Coast Highway...NORTHBOUND.

With how they ended things tonight, assuming NO Flashpoint reset, they might have him in Seattle, with being semi-regular on LoT and only guest spots on Arrow.

Hard to guess just where the writers are trying to take things at this moment, because it seems to have been written in such a series ending way, rather than a season ending way.

Which leads me to my belief that the Flashpoint is going to shake things up in the WHOLE Arrow-verse, and might even lead to the premise of Legends of Tomorrow.

 

[mkilban2]

Laurel & Thea show would be PERFECTION.

I'd watch. I enjoy them.

I really enjoyed this season, just as much if not more than the previous ones. I've never really understood all the negativity about it. It seems a lot of peoples problems with these cbm shows on the forums are any time a love interest or love story shows up, I enjoy them though.

 

[DCMarv37]

I'd watch. I enjoy them.

I really enjoyed this season, just as much if not more than the previous ones. I've never really understood all the negativity about it. It seems a lot of peoples problems with these cbm shows on the forums are any time a love interest or love story shows up, I enjoy them though.

I don't have a problem with relationships occurring, I mean its TV [& especially The CW], its inevitable.

But, what I personally don't like about Ollicity, is how they changed the core personality of Felicity to make it happen. s3 Felicity is nowhere near the Felicity we saw in the first 1.66 seasons of Arrow. While the juvenile 'accidentally misused' sexual puns are just plain awkward most the time, she was funny, smart, and somewhat likeable - and the friendship-while-crushing-on-Oliver shtick worked. But since this season started, she's become a whiny over-emotional black-n-white morals 'bible thumper'... unless it serves her character-written purpose to tell Oliver to kill someone, when she got Oliver to adapt a 'no-kill' policy, or drug him against his will just because she didn't want to give up sexy times when he joined the LoA.

A well thought and plotted-out romance will never not work for me, but with how they started it off-screen between seasons 2 & 3, and then devolve or fundamentally change a character (or both) to try to make a relationship work... that's when its just plain painful to have to endure.


That's my own personal take on why Olicity doesn't work and my biggest gripe with season 3.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Really enjoyed the finale, I like that Oliver has decided to be happy, I think even when he returns he will be a lighter character and he now has a team in place that he knows are ready, including Speedy!

I liked the gambit being revealed of how Ollie had viewed Malcolm as a useable asset to the larger threat of Ra's, putting pieces in place leading to the cool sequence on the plane, but in the end needing to utilize Starling's heroes to finally get it done.

The duel on the bridge with Ra's was slick and reminded me a bit of Star Wars and the recent Death of the Family scene with Batman and Joker, the way Oliver took out Ra's was smooth, Ra's weakness being his overconfidence and need to narrate his every move.

The scene where Felicity said Oliver's words from the opening back to him was nicely done and led into the satisfying ending of something good finally happening for the two of them.

Malcolm being the new Ra's I could have done without, I know he held up his end but it's time for him to be done. I was hoping Nyssa would be the new Demon's Head but it looks like she might stay in Starling which is cool. Sadly I think Katana is off the table.

As far as The Swede showing up as Dahrk's dupe, that better not have been it, he's a superb actor and would make a great villain for the show.

The Flash cameo was fun.

With all the chess pieces moved around the possibilities for season 4 are ripe and wide open, Ollie and Felicity are happy, Speedy and Canary are now full heroes, Digg is gonna get a costume and the fresh threat of HIVE looms, can't wait!

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Was really hoping felicity would die

I know everyone is tired of hearing about how all the CW love drama crap sucks, but its really does.

 

[Man in the Suit]

That finale was garbage. I really think it would have been better if Merlyn wouldn't have been like, "IT'S ME OLIVER! I WAS RA'S ALL ALONG!" At least he would have been more threatening considering season 1's events and making Thea kill Sara.

The writers let Tumblr write this show. Felicity in Ray's suit might be one of the worst things I've ever seen.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I'd watch. I enjoy them.

I really enjoyed this season, just as much if not more than the previous ones. I've never really understood all the negativity about it. It seems a lot of peoples problems with these cbm shows on the forums are any time a love interest or love story shows up, I enjoy them though.

haters going haters Loyal fan will suppor the show no matter what while fake fan and haters will always bash the show !