Arrow Arrow 3.23 My Name Is Oliver Queen

[Herolee10]

haters going haters Loyal fan will suppor the show no matter what while fake fan and haters will always bash the show !

So you're saying that any person that has a legitimate gripe with certain aspects of this show aren't "real fans", where we can only be considered as such if we blindly follow everything that the show gives out?


Oh my god, there were so many plot issues with this episode. I don't even know where to begin.

Out of all of the heroes that I know of, Season 3 Oliver has got to be THE DUMBEST hero that I've ever seen in my life.

So let me get this straight, Oliver made a deal with Malcolm, where for his help in taking down Ra's Al Ghul, he would give ownership of the League to Malcolm?

Did Oliver that this is the same Malcolm who had once used his unlimited resources to not only bring death and suffering to his family, but killed hundreds of people (including Tommy) 3 years ago? Not to mention the fact that Malcolm murdered Sara as well.

And don't get me started on Ra's flawed logic (from a story point) where Ra's said that he had joined the League to protect his family only to end up killing them afterwards to fully ascend to his position.

Also, I guess we can throw out most of Oliver's development from Season 2 straight out the window. You know the whole thing about not killing your enemies in cold blood.

He'll go through great lengths to not kill Slade, the guy stabbed his mother to death and caused more destruction and mayhem to his city than Ra's did, but won't hesitate to kill off Ra's.

Ray Palmer's character was literally neutered throughout this entire season. His main purpose on the show was to become Felicity's booty call until the producers were ready to have Felicity and Oliver end up with each other. Not to mention that he was made into a Iron Man ripoff instead of being allowed to be the actual "Atom" from the comics. And most of his so called shining moments always ended with him getting his ass kicked.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

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[Herolee10]

I don't care about plot holes every show has them. I will never be negative about the show ever....

It's pretty common knowledge that every show has its fair share of Plot holes.

That isn't the issue here. You basically said that anyone who doesn't find anything negative about this show isn't considered to be a "real fan" of Arrow.

So what you're saying is that despite Arrow having plot holes, we shouldn't be bothered by it and love it without question or thought.

I don't care about how you feel towards the show personally. That's your opinion and free right. What insults me is when you say that everyone that finds even a single fault with this show isn't a "real fan" of it.

 

[Frodo]

Overall the episode was okay. I didn't think it was a spectacular finale, but it was better than some of the episodes this season.

Yeah, as far as the fanboy ethic of falling in line in either hating or loving something, being for or against something blindly, I'm certainly not like that at all. I think if you're going to a forum of largely critical thinkers, than you're gonna be disappointed if you want to see your opinion re-affirmed.

 

[Herolee10]

So Flash's reason for not helping out Team Arrow tackle a situation that could result in the deaths of everyone in Starling City was because he was long overdue in having a chat with Wells?

I know that they couldn't have Flash being used where he could solve Oliver's problems within a flash (pun not intended), but I think it would have been better if they just said that Barry was preoccupied because of some active crisis that was going on with his city as opposed to just wanting to chat with Wells.

Plus, I think it would have been good (for the continuity shared between both shows) if they said that at the beginning of the episode, the plane that Ra's and Oliver was in had made a brief pit stop at Central City to gather up on supplies, which is when Oliver gained the chance to sneak away from Ra's gaze (albeit momentarily) and help Barry.

 

[smallville fan]

So I'm still confused on how Oliver found the time to go to Starling City and help Barry?

 

[lanesrader]

haters going haters Loyal fan will suppor the show no matter what while fake fan and haters will always bash the show !

Just cause some of us here feel that there are certain aspects of the show that weren't executed well, doesn't make us any less of a fan than you. Many of us here that post in the Arrow forum support this show, it's why we watch it. Hell, I joined this message board because of Arrow. And IMO the reason for so much negativity and criticism (including from myself) is that we know this season and show could've been better. And wanted it to be good. But it just wasn't.

 

[trd84]

Spent a whole season on Ray making a suit and becoming a hero. And Felicity steps in his suit and saves the day like its nothing. Guess he's just a guy in a suit.

Handing over The League to Malcolm is the worst thing Oliver has ever done on the show. As soon as Ra's was dealt with Oliver should have handed him over to Lance and told him he was responsible for Sara's death. Regardless of what ever promises Oliver made to him. All the problems with the League was the result of Malcolm. And after all the deaths of citizens of Starling and their family and friends he gets a pass because he helped get them out of a situation he caused?

So after leaving the city to Diggle, Laurel and Thea, 2 of which have little experience, without the tech girl, who plays an important role for the team and the inexperienced crime fighters rely on for a lot of stuff. And leaving the League of Assassins in the hands of a madman, Oliver and Felicity are happy?

 

[trd84]

So I'm still confused on how Oliver found the time to go to Starling City and help Barry?

Oliver helped Barry when he came back to Starling city. Arrow aired a week when The Flash didn't so Arrow was a week ahead. Yesterday's Flash should've aired before last week's Arrow.

 

[Human Torch]

Wow.The votes seem to be very equally distributed here.


We all know the show loves to ape TDK trilogy. I'm thinking this is their attempt at the Bruce/Selina Retirement/getaway from the end of TDKR. Only in this case, they're admitting Ollie ain't gonna leave things to 'John Blake' when stuff starts getting real again.

 

[ardee]

I actually think they might New 52 him. In the New 52, Green Arrow is in Seattle, not Star City, and they were driving up the Pacific Coast Highway...NORTHBOUND.

With how they ended things tonight, assuming NO Flashpoint reset, they might have him in Seattle, with being semi-regular on LoT and only guest spots on Arrow.

Hard to guess just where the writers are trying to take things at this moment, because it seems to have been written in such a series ending way, rather than a season ending way.

Which leads me to my belief that the Flashpoint is going to shake things up in the WHOLE Arrow-verse, and might even lead to the premise of Legends of Tomorrow.

Dude, the show is called ARROW. Oliver is the ARROW.

He will suit up by the second episode of the new season when some villain kicks Laurel and Thea's asses.

Why do people think there needs to be a Flashpoint for Oliver to go back to the cowl? The writers are cool with making a dramatic statement (Ollie 'dying', Ollie turning into Al-Sahin) and then retconning it almost immediatley.

 

[Human Torch]

So if we learned anything this week, it's Barry can't trust Snart, but Ollie can trust Malcolm.

 

[vantheman77]

Since the producers said that this season finale is the bookend of the first 3 seasons, it didn't bookend too well. The end of the episode with Oliver and Felicity riding off into the sunset sums up the entire 3rd season.

Highlights were other characters becoming heroes - Dinah Laurel/ Black Canary, Ray Palmer/ Atom, Tatsu Yamashiro/ Katana, and Thea Dearden Queen/ Speedy.

Can we now have an Arrow comic series called Season 3.5 where we can focus on Dinah Laurel, Diggle, Thea, Katana, and Nyssa?

The theme for this week is heroes placing their misguided trust with the villains such as Captain Cold and Malcolm Merlyn.

 

[ardee]

Can someone please explain to me the conversation between Ra's/Ollie before/after their duel? Why was Ra's happy when he died?

 

[jerkhero]

haters going haters Loyal fan will suppor the show no matter what while fake fan and haters will always bash the show !

No, that's what a fanboy does. A "real fan" acknowledges when something has flaws and wants the best product possible.

 

[O'Haire]

No, that's what a fanboy does. A "real fan" acknowledges when something has flaws and wants the best product possible.

 

[Human Torch]

Oh maaaannnn,am I ever dreading Olicity finding out about Ollie's baby mama next season.

 

[Pokkle]

For me, this season was so bad
Disappointed that Thea had non consequences for the Lazarus pits and now Malcolm have the pits.
I didn't like the flashback this season, the island flashback with Slade was so good...
Ra's was really disappointing this season and I didn't like the final fight too.
Too much fake death this season too for me.
And felicity take too much place.


The only thing I like was Malcolm becoming Ra's.

 

[smallville fan]

Oliver helped Barry when he came back to Starling city. Arrow aired a week when The Flash didn't so Arrow was a week ahead. Yesterday's Flash should've aired before last week's Arrow.

There could have been a scene where Oliver could have mentioned being there or something.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Fun finale, I guess. Absolutely terrible writing, but the show's always like that, so I'm not terribly disappointed or anything, and at least they threw a lot of stuff at us to get excited for what's next.

Negatives:

The Damian D stuff was pointless, and it just took away from Ra's motivations of wanting Oliver to ascend. On that note, Ra's still thinking that Oliver will become the next Ra's makes no sense, highlighted by the end where Oliver just gives it away.

Oliver giving the League to Malcolm was ridiculous, even if it was awesome to see Malcolm back as a villain. All the stuff about Oliver feeling like he can't be the Arrow makes no sense (can't he just...wear a different costume and try not to get caught by the cops as usual?), and if he really feels that he needs to be someone else, it makes no sense that he'd just ride into the sunset and give the LoA to Malcolm. He should have become Ra's and turned the LoA into something positive, or you know, tell the police/army where they can arrest all the assassins.

The Katana flashback stuff didn't have enough presence in the present to matter. The flashback about Oliver feeling like he deserves to be alone should have come before this story was concluded in the present. Oliver's whole character arc was all over the place.

The Captain Lance alcoholism drama felt out of place and Lance helping the Arrow again so quickly deflates the previous story of how he stopped helping him.

Diggle and Felicity are really whiny.

I'm sure this a bunch of other stuff that makes no sense.

Positives:

"You guys have a hot tub? Cool."

The acting. I really grew to like Nable as Ra's.

The final Atom scene.

More Coast City references.

The change in status quo has me curious.

 

[Charlatan]

Nyssa should have been heir to the League.
Malcolm at best should have been on the run from justice and the league.

 

[Herolee10]

OLIVER QUEEN'S LOGIC FOR SEASON 3:

1. Despite Malcolm being responsible for the deaths of Robert, Tommy, and countless other innocents, Oliver would risk waging war against the League of Assassins because he would feel more comfortable at night if someone like Malcolm was watching after his sister Thea, the person that he wants to keep away from the madness of his world.

2. Oliver chooses to align himself with Malcolm in hopes of taking down Ra's Al Ghul, even though Malcolm is terrified of Ra's and is the reason why Ra's is after them in the first place.

3. Because of Malcolm telling Oliver that no prison can contain him, Oliver chooses to let him roam around freely. And because Malcolm is Thea's biological father, he lets Malcolm get away with a lot of things because he fears that allowing Malcolm to die would "damage" Thea's soul.

4. The only reason why Oliver chose to take the fall for Malcolm's crime against Sara was because he was afraid that Malcolm would release the video of Thea killing Sara. However, he later reveals that he always knew that Malcolm would never put Thea in harm's way, thus making his near death experience worthless.

5. Oliver kills Ra's in cold blood, despite having vowed to never cross that line again last year (hence why Slade is still alive), in order to ensure that Starling City would remain safe. However, he gives up the control over the league to Malcolm, a man who had attempted to destroy it only 3 years ago.

6. In order to fool Ra's into thinking that he had converted to his ways, Oliver was willing to kill innocent people, thus defeating the purpose of being a hero in the first place.

 

[Mike Murdock]

They shove Roy away, nonchalantly "murder" Ray on screen, write Wildcat out of the season, develop Laurel in the background, and under develop Malcom becoming Ra's.

Why?

Wildcat was likely because the actor left the show. Laurel developing in the background was likely because, as underwhelming as the season was, Laurel's an underwhelming character and I doubt putting her training on screen would have improved the plot of the story (it was, essentially, a sideplot). Ray's "murder" was done as a cliffhanger. I seriously doubt the character was killed off.

Can't answer the others, but I think those three all have sensible answers.

 

[Crimz]

Well.. that was bad. I hope the Flashpoint rumors are true, and Barry changes things.

 

[Nathan]

We need Flashpoint so bad. The entirety of Season 3 needs to be wiped from existence. Whenever I am going to rewatch all Seasons of Arrow, you can be sure I'm going from Season 2 straight to Season 4. Well, depending how well they handle the 2 last remaining Seasons, I might only rewatch the first 2.