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[3dman27]

COVER BY: RON GARNEY
WRITER: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
PENCILS: RON GARNEY
INKS: BILL REINHOLD
COLORED BY: AVALON - MATT MILLA
LETTERED BY: VC - CORY PETIT

THE STORY:
CIVIL WAR Tie-in
“THE WAR AT HOME”
Caught in the throes of the Civil War that’s ripping apart the super hero community, Spider-Man contemplates a move that will mean new friends and new foes. In a conflict of this magnitude, three is no middle ground -- Peter Parker’s move will cast him as either George Washington... or Benedict Arnold. Part 3 (of 6).
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

PRICE: 2.99
IN STORES: 2006-09-27


Yup, think it's fairly safe to say that pete's switching sides this issue. At ****ing last

maybe this is where marvel should put reed and tony or where they should've put old greenskin

 

[KingOfDreams]

You know, I haven't been buying this because I've told myself to stay away from Civil War but every time I see preview pages for this arc it looks pretty good...apart from Peter being written like a *****. Maybe I'll get it in tpb. But yeah, it looks like Pete's going to be switching sides pretty soon. And I for one welcome that. I think it's a good literary device that you can't see Reed's eyes and that he's looking scruffy. He looks distrustful which appears to be the truth lately.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

Why the feck does Peter need a thruster pack when he has the red&gold costume? That monstrisity can do anything - wipe his ass, brush his teeth - but he needs a thruster pack? Okay, JMS just drowned in his own continuity vomit.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Huh... my take on all this seems to be different than most.

With the exception of New Avengers (which IMO mishanded Peter's character from the get-go) I have not seen the "lacky" or "dumbass" angle to Peter that people have been complaining about. I saw him being TRUSTING of someone who has done A LOT for him and his family, who he has respected as a hero and who initally made a lot of sense... And it isn't blind trust, as we are seeing now.

The Superhero Registration Act - what little we know about it - sounded reasonable on the surface. Understandable and inevitable. Training, accountablity, colaboration, compensation... But the "execution" of it has become over the top. (A thinly veiled, bad, exaggerated, mischaracterization of current events - give me a break - that and an obvious device to have heroes matched up in fights.) But I could see why initially Peter wouldn't have thought to start a rebellion over it.

Peter wasn't forced to unmask. That DID seem out of character for him, but I guess I can see how he could make the mistake... things seemed different... [SIZE=-1]new rules with the SHRA, unprecedented respect and sense of protection with his position in the New Avengers. (Some of his fellow heroes have been telling him for awhile that secret IDs are passe too.) [/SIZE]May and MJ are proud of him, they encouraged him. (I expected MJ to know better, but, then again, things seemed different...)

So now, as things are unfolding, Peter is learning what we've all been privy to... who are the "good guy" and who are the "bad guys."

Well said, Captivated. Glad to see someone else is reading these comics.

 

[hippy fascist]

Why the feck does Peter need a thruster pack when he has the red&gold costume? That monstrisity can do anything - wipe his ass, brush his teeth - but he needs a thruster pack? Okay, JMS just drowned in his own continuity vomit.

actually no he didn't, this has already been addressed in #532, he specifically asked stark for rocket boots since he can't fly with the suit, the only thing he can do is glide. If you notice they pretty much keep an even keel the entire time, If he was to try and glide with the suit he'd continue to descend and...die. This is why he needs it, perfectly in continuity

 

[The Geek Vault]

I just got this issue in the mail. It was really good. Prodigy got arrested! Why!? Who was the girl in the virtual reality thing and the guy in the extreme holding chamber (looked like mummy)

 

[SpideyInATree]

I just got this issue in the mail. It was really good. Prodigy got arrested! Why!? Who was the girl in the virtual reality thing and the guy in the extreme holding chamber (looked like mummy)

Prodigy got arrest in the Civil War: Frontline miniseries. He was all drunk on a building spouting off about how the registration act sucked and even threw a bottle of booze at Tony Stark. t:

 

[Gamma Burst]

Huh... my take on all this seems to be different than most.

With the exception of New Avengers (which IMO mishanded Peter's character from the get-go) I have not seen the "lacky" or "dumbass" angle to Peter that people have been complaining about. I saw him being TRUSTING of someone who has done A LOT for him and his family, who he has respected as a hero and who initally made a lot of sense... And it isn't blind trust, as we are seeing now.

The Superhero Registration Act - what little we know about it - sounded reasonable on the surface. Understandable and inevitable. Training, accountablity, colaboration, compensation... But the "execution" of it has become over the top. (A thinly veiled, bad, exaggerated, mischaracterization of current events - give me a break - that and an obvious device to have heroes matched up in fights.) But I could see why initially Peter wouldn't have thought to start a rebellion over it.

Peter wasn't forced to unmask. That DID seem out of character for him, but I guess I can see how he could make the mistake... things seemed different... [SIZE=-1]new rules with the SHRA, unprecedented respect and sense of protection with his position in the New Avengers. (Some of his fellow heroes have been telling him for awhile that secret IDs are passe too.) [/SIZE]May and MJ are proud of him, they encouraged him. (I expected MJ to know better, but, then again, things seemed different...)

So now, as things are unfolding, Peter is learning what we've all been privy to... who are the "good guy" and who are the "bad guys."

Exactly

 

[HoratioRome]

I love how much Reed and Tony's characters have been bastardized to make this event work. Just completly oblivious to all the wrongs and generally insane things they're doing.

"Uh yeah Peter, sending hero's who refuse to work with the goverment into the negative zone is perfectly safe for both sides. We even got a Warden who knows the territory! Named Blastar or something weird like that, never mind that! It looks like Cap's posse are trying to stop a bank robbery! Let's send Bullseye and the Green Goblin to capture them!"

exactly ..the only way the MU can be restored properly is to do a dallas and say it was all a dream. or mind control, or something like that.

Come on people, making reed Richards a bad guy, making Iron man a bad guy,...what has the world come to? how ca we accept this.

but then this starts the debate all over again bet/ those who enjoy the stories regardless of continuity, and those who don't because of lack of continuity. I guess there is a civil war betwee fans,

 

[Miss Webb]

Sloppy writing before this point. They deliberately wrote Parker like a dumbass *****e so as to be able to present a polarization after the switching of sides. Poor, poor, poor. From the looks of the preview, looks like we're finaly getting "our" Spider-Man back.

A bit harsh and simplistic, I think. Sometimes you THINK you're doing the right thing because on the surface it seems to make sense. I think as Peter finds out more his conscience and rage will kick in, thusly causing him to switch sides. t:

And everyone in real life makes these mistakes.

 

[Miss Webb]

Exactly

There is talk that Reed himself may not know everything Tony does. I think Tony KNOWS Peter will rebel if he knows the whole truth. Tony's far hardened, willing to do anything but Peter isn't at that point. For all the squabbling, Cap probably was right when he told Peter he knew his 'heart' (cripes, that sounds weird...cue soft music).

But anyway, he knows Pete is basically compassionate. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

You just know, somewhere down the line, we're going to have a Captain America, gets tortured scene

 

[wolvie2020]

Huh... my take on all this seems to be different than most.

With the exception of New Avengers (which IMO mishanded Peter's character from the get-go) I have not seen the "lacky" or "dumbass" angle to Peter that people have been complaining about. I saw him being TRUSTING of someone who has done A LOT for him and his family, who he has respected as a hero and who initally made a lot of sense... And it isn't blind trust, as we are seeing now.

The Superhero Registration Act - what little we know about it - sounded reasonable on the surface. Understandable and inevitable. Training, accountablity, colaboration, compensation... But the "execution" of it has become over the top. (A thinly veiled, bad, exaggerated, mischaracterization of current events - give me a break - that and an obvious device to have heroes matched up in fights.) But I could see why initially Peter wouldn't have thought to start a rebellion over it.

Peter wasn't forced to unmask. That DID seem out of character for him, but I guess I can see how he could make the mistake... things seemed different... [SIZE=-1]new rules with the SHRA, unprecedented respect and sense of protection with his position in the New Avengers. (Some of his fellow heroes have been telling him for awhile that secret IDs are passe too.) [/SIZE]May and MJ are proud of him, they encouraged him. (I expected MJ to know better, but, then again, things seemed different...)

So now, as things are unfolding, Peter is learning what we've all been privy to... who are the "good guy" and who are the "bad guys."

I wholeheartedly agree.

I've *****ed and complained since before the end of the Book of Ezekial arc of how much ASM was sucking, and then it eventually happene to all the other books, Spidey joined the Avengers, and I stopped collecting after Sins Past.

But I have to say, the Civil War has made things get a lot better for me, and I can really see why events have unfolded the way they did.

I've always said to unmask Peter would be stupid on many levels... But I'm quite impressed and surprised by the fact that the writers believe this as well. We all know they have a back door, (no matter how stupid it'll be.) So I'm in the boat of hey, I'm gonna enjoy this crazy stuff.

I mean, unmasking DD turned out to be a brilliant decision, and now he has a secret ID again to boot. But the ride has been so much fun! On this basis, I'm hoping this goes the same way for Spidey.

The main thing I'm hoping is that as soon as he's got the mask back on, Loeb/Campbell will take over ASM. Seriously, JMS needs to leave SM forever, this is ridiculous now...

 

[wolvie2020]

*double post*

 

[Dragon]

Huh... my take on all this seems to be different than most.

With the exception of New Avengers (which IMO mishanded Peter's character from the get-go) I have not seen the "lacky" or "dumbass" angle to Peter that people have been complaining about. I saw him being TRUSTING of someone who has done A LOT for him and his family, who he has respected as a hero and who initally made a lot of sense... And it isn't blind trust, as we are seeing now.

But the problem is that Peter knows better than to trust someone so implicitly. And what Stark has "done" for Peter's family isn't much. Let them live in Stark towers? That's been par for the course of being an Avenger lo these past 43 years. Made him a new suit of armor? Well, we know how "generous" an offer that was.

The thing is that Peter was always so self-sufficient that he never needed anyone to help him, and that kept him independent both physically and mentally.

What you're talking about is naivete. I've been getting into debates with folks alot over the past months about Gwen's death aned its impact. And the one thing people keep using as a justification was Peter becoming "A MAN". Peter's child-like trust of Stark doesn't reflect this. He's more naive and pliable now than when he was a teenager.

The Superhero Registration Act - what little we know about it - sounded reasonable on the surface. Understandable and inevitable. Training, accountablity, colaboration, compensation... But the "execution" of it has become over the top. (A thinly veiled, bad, exaggerated, mischaracterization of current events - give me a break - that and an obvious device to have heroes matched up in fights.) But I could see why initially Peter wouldn't have thought to start a rebellion over it.

It isn't understandable at all, when you consider that the events that justify it have NEVER happened in the history of the Marvel Universe, until this storyline, and only exist to justify this storyline. Spider-Man for example has existed and functioned successful since he was 15. No registration, no training, no nothing. So has Ironman. So has the FF. So have the Avengers.

Peter wasn't forced to unmask. That DID seem out of character for him, but I guess I can see how he could make the mistake... things seemed different...

Bottomline- when the wrong people know Peter's ID someone innocent ALWAYS DIES. ALWAYS. Peter would never voluntarily surrender that one bit of protection for his loved ones. And considering that Avengers HQ has been breached in the past, MJ and May being there would be little comfort.

[SIZE=-1]new rules with the SHRA, unprecedented respect and sense of protection with his position in the New Avengers. (Some of his fellow heroes have been telling him for awhile that secret IDs are passe too.) [/SIZE]May and MJ are proud of him, they encouraged him. (I expected MJ to know better, but, then again, things seemed different...)

So now, as things are unfolding, Peter is learning what we've all been privy to... who are the "good guy" and who are the "bad guys."

But here's the problem that's existed at Marvel for too many years now. The audience shouldn't be ahead of the main character. These storylines are poorly written in that we know the inevitable conclusion long before it happens. Often before the storyline begins. This shouldn't be the case. In a well-written story, we journey with the character to the conclusion, and we should learn the truth along with them. Peter is privy to all the info we are, yet it takes him months to figure it out. That's why he's a dumbass. If anything he should figure it out before we do.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I mean, unmasking DD turned out to be a brilliant decision, and now he has a secret ID again to boot. But the ride has been so much fun! On this basis, I'm hoping this goes the same way for Spidey.

Agreed. The past few years of Daredevil have been absolutely brilliant. The way the whole "secret id outing" just eventually fell back into place was beautifully done. We can only keep our fingers crossed that the same happens for Spider-Man...

 

[shinlyle]

Agreed. The past few years of Daredevil have been absolutely brilliant. The way the whole "secret id outing" just eventually fell back into place was beautifully done. We can only keep our fingers crossed that the same happens for Spider-Man...

DD is a brilliant book. In fact, it has been since it was relaunched. DD being outted just didn't bother me as much as seeing DD outted simply because DD is "The Man Without Fear", so it makes sense that he should face something that should cause any other hero to be afraid. Also, it's easier to put your secret identity back to bed when it's outted in the tabloids, and doesn't involve you unmasking in front of a hundred or so television cameras.

Spider-Man is the "everyman". He's the typical guy. That's his appeal. Spider-Man appeals to us because he's Peter Parker...the ordinary nerd. When he's trying to lice that normal life, that's when he has his greatest struggles and triumphs, not when battling the Sinister Six. Also, Peter unmasked publicly, in front of the whole world via a LIVE press conference. Whether it's put back to bed or not, Spidey's villians would have no qualms about killing Peter Parker just to be sure that Peter isn't Spider-Man.

As for the quality of the books, that's up for debate. DD has been great ever since the relaunch, with "Vision Quest" and "Murdock Papers" being (IMHO) the weakest arcs thus far. Spider-Man, on the other hand, went through a good period, then came SP, The Other, New Avengers, that awful suit, and the unmasking. Now, whether they were bad or not is up for debate, but they were NOWHERE as good as DD at anytime. Right now, I don't even buy any 616 Spidey books, but you'd have to cripple me to keep me from getting my DD fix every month!

Pesonally, I hope that the unmasking brings us some great times in the Spider-verse, but I find it unlikely. I'll keep reading them on the stands (not buying them), and should the occasion come that things just start appealing to me, I'll drop my 2.99 on an issue here or there. In fact, if Spidey just beats Iron man down like a little b****, I'll buy two copies of whatever book in which it happens!

To those enjoying the current direction, I'm not hating on you....by all means, enjoy! It's just not my cup o' tea.

 

[USMC]

But here's the problem that's existed at Marvel for too many years now. The audience shouldn't be ahead of the main character. These storylines are poorly written in that we know the inevitable conclusion long before it happens. Often before the storyline begins. This shouldn't be the case. In a well-written story, we journey with the character to the conclusion, and we should learn the truth along with them. Peter is privy to all the info we are, yet it takes him months to figure it out. That's why he's a dumbass. If anything he should figure it out before we do.

WELL SAID.

 

[CConn]

But here's the problem that's existed at Marvel for too many years now. The audience shouldn't be ahead of the main character. These storylines are poorly written in that we know the inevitable conclusion long before it happens. Often before the storyline begins. This shouldn't be the case. In a well-written story, we journey with the character to the conclusion, and we should learn the truth along with them. Peter is privy to all the info we are, yet it takes him months to figure it out. That's why he's a dumbass. If anything he should figure it out before we do.

But technically, Peter isn't a main character in Civil War. That change of perspective changes how the story works quite a bit. I agree with you, if Peter was the main character, it'd be stupid for us the audience to be privy to a great deal more of information than him, but with him being a side character, with us having to follow up Iron Man, and CA are doing (y'know, the actual main characters of Civil War), it's not all that surprising we'd be ahead of Spider-Man himself. In this particular situation, in the Civil War title, at least.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

So did you guys read it yet?

The crap has officially hit the fan, lol...

 

[Won '08]

...and the book still sucks.

The artwork isn't doing it for me, to say the least. Garney used to have his own flare....his own style, bot he's drawing like a low-rent version of JR Jr. Sad....'cause I loved his Hulk stuff.

As for the story, I refuse to give praise to this book for writing Peter as smart, after having him come off as an imbecile for the past 10 issues or so. Yeah, it's a vast improvement, but it's still a direction that should have never been explored, IMHO.

As for the "prisoners in the Negative Zone" thing, that's a little over-the-top, but it is a comic book, so I'd kindly expect it.

I agree. This is how Pete should've been from the start of all this registration BS.

but hey it's apparent that the writers (or marvel in general) are finally gonna take note that we (The fans) aren't too proud as to how our Spider-Phile has been treated as of late.

But from those two pages, especially Pete's interaction with Stark himself...are seeming to fall more in place with his personality...but not altogether which is still a cheap shot.

I've read CW 1 through 4...and Shinyle...You were right (laugh it up old man).

It's dispicable how they went about it, the idea in itself couldh ave made for a prolific event. But the writers assed it up, rushing, trying to mimic DC's talent for making over the top, super-serious stories that have a comic-verse wide effect.

Hopefully by the end of CW and the War at Home..Peter would have returned to the Web-Headed arse hole we all know and love.

 

[Themanofbat]

So did you guys read it yet?

The crap has officially hit the fan, lol...

I did... and I can't wait for next issue...

Spoiler

unless the big fight happens in an issue of Civil War.

 

[ragingdemon155]

So did you guys read it yet?

The crap has officially hit the fan, lol...

I know.

I loved this issue. Peter is finally back to fighting for what "he" believes in and not taking sides. The last panel was freaking amazing and Spidey is bad ass again.

"Thought you said you were going out for the night dad"

Can't wait for the next issue.

 

[Won '08]

Wish I had stayed in mid-town long enough to read it. Damnit.

 

[freemadison]

Huh... my take on all this seems to be different than most.

With the exception of New Avengers (which IMO mishanded Peter's character from the get-go) I have not seen the "lacky" or "dumbass" angle to Peter that people have been complaining about. I saw him being TRUSTING of someone who has done A LOT for him and his family, who he has respected as a hero and who initally made a lot of sense... And it isn't blind trust, as we are seeing now.

The Superhero Registration Act - what little we know about it - sounded reasonable on the surface. Understandable and inevitable. Training, accountablity, colaboration, compensation... But the "execution" of it has become over the top. (A thinly veiled, bad, exaggerated, mischaracterization of current events - give me a break - that and an obvious device to have heroes matched up in fights.) But I could see why initially Peter wouldn't have thought to start a rebellion over it.

Peter wasn't forced to unmask. That DID seem out of character for him, but I guess I can see how he could make the mistake... things seemed different... [SIZE=-1]new rules with the SHRA, unprecedented respect and sense of protection with his position in the New Avengers. (Some of his fellow heroes have been telling him for awhile that secret IDs are passe too.) [/SIZE]May and MJ are proud of him, they encouraged him. (I expected MJ to know better, but, then again, things seemed different...)

So now, as things are unfolding, Peter is learning what we've all been privy to... who are the "good guy" and who are the "bad guys."