Comics Asm #536

[Themanofbat]

Oh my god!! this is totally the first time spidey has webbed someone's face and punched them!! UNTHINKABLE

t: t: t:

 

[Miss Webb]

LOL, Spidey hit IM hard enough to crack something (you see the flying pieces) yet he couldn't bust reinforced glass???

Well, looks like everyone figured out the sequence in CW...but maybe that's not so bad. Sometimes a book actually goes the way you WANT, you know? Now that big throwdown coming up has me curious. Anyone else got a mental picture of a huge splash page with everybody fighting everybody? Then some heavyweight comes in and says

"AVAUNT, MORTALS. ENOW, I SAY!"

Heh, you can guess MY guess...t:

 

[Kevin]

is it tinkerbell? t:

 

[Miss Webb]

Deadpool on crack

 

[Kevin]

Honestly, I don't even like thor, but I feel we got ripped off by Clor. WTF?

 

[HoratioRome]

Oh my god!! this is totally the first time spidey has webbed someone's face and punched them!! UNTHINKABLE

dude you're quite annoying you know that?
I'm not sayinhg SM never webbed someone's face.
I'm not saying that in a fight, during a fight, it isn't perfectly ok to web someone's eyes and punch them. All's fair in a fight.

My point is that to TRICK someone, to make them put their guard down as if the fight is over, to hit them when they don't expect it is to SUCKER punch them.

and only cowardly punks do that and then run away.

Even if SM did that everytime he fought, it wouldn't change the fact that it was a sucker punch.

Read for crying out loud before you post a response.
don't answer to things which weren't said,

Stop being a freaking cullen,..

.t: Just joking, sorry cullen,,...


How long have you been reading SM?
How many comics have you read?
stop pretending you know this character as well as we do.
I've been reading SM longer than you've been ALIVE.
learn something before you open your big mouth.

and stop being a cullen ok we gotta come up with another term. I like Cullen too much

 

[USMC]

dude you're quite annoying you know that?
I'm not sayinhg SM never webbed someone's face.
I'm not saying that in a fight, during a fight, it isn't perfectly ok to web someone's eyes and punch them. All's fair in a fight.

My point is that to TRICK someone, to make them put their guard down as if the fight is over, to hit them when they don't expect it is to SUCKER punch them.

and only cowardly punks do that and then run away.

Even if SM did that everytime he fought, it wouldn't change the fact that it was a sucker punch.

Read for crying out loud before you post a response.
don't answer to things which weren't said,


How long have you been reading SM?
How many comics have you read?
stop pretending you know this character as well as we do.
I've been reading SM longer than you've been ALIVE.
learn something before you open your big mouth.

Spidey did the right thing, sucker punch or not. He did what he's done many times in the past, run and live to fight another day. Spidey knew he had a disadvantage being in Stark towers in closed quarters up against Iron Man, and probably knew that within mere moments, had he engaged in a fight, he would be up against not just IM, but SHIELD agents and who knows what else? (Turned out to be true).

Sucker punching isn't cowardly, it's intelligent fighting. You can run around being "honorable" when it comes to fighting, and most likely have your ass handed to you on more than one occasion. Or you can win by any means necessary, short of killing the other person... which is what Spidey has done many times in the past.

Or how long have you been reading Spider-Man comics?

Also, you don't have to be an ass hole to other posters whose opinions are different from yours. It's "quite annoying".

 

[Kevin]

I know i'm annoying. I was Trying to bet: And it wasn't aimed towards you. MANY people said it before you did. It just doesn't make sense for people to b*** and moan about something Spider-man HAS DONE BEFORE. Maybe not the running away part, but everything else still stands.

How long have you been reading SM?
A few years, doesn't change a thing.

How many comics have you read?
Spider-man comics, or ALL comics as a whole? I've read the whole amazing history and re-reading as we speak. Read some Spectacular, anything I can get my hands on.

stop pretending you know this character as well as we do.
NO. You stop acting like you know it all because you've been around longer.

I've been reading SM longer than you've been ALIVE.
And this proves what? Just because I'm younger than you that I have no say in the matter? Dude, be real.

learn something before you open your big mouth.
I learn something everyday from people you... That people like you don't know how to SHUT THE HELL UP.

 

[HoratioRome]

I know i'm annoying. I was Trying to bet: And it wasn't aimed towards you. MANY people said it before you did. It just doesn't make sense for people to b*** and moan about something Spider-man HAS DONE BEFORE. Maybe not the running away part, but everything else still stands.

*****ing and moaning or stating a fact. Not sticking my head in the sand just to see what I want to see even if it isn't there. And how many times has SM feigned losing just so he can web someone's eyes? Is that really how SM fights? really? Besides, the point is that as a writer, the opportunity was there to present SM as a hero who is as skilled and as powerfull as his enemy, or as a hero who is way outclassed and out powered by his enemy. The depiction JMS chose is the latter. Why else would he have to trick IM, and why else would he run away. You can come up with all the excuses you want, but that's what happened.

How long have you been reading SM?
A few years, doesn't change a thing.

yes it does, because everything being equal I have an insight you just don't have. Dude at 19, you'll be amazed at how much you will learn in the next 5 years. How much your opinions will change. Are you the same person you were at 16 (just 3 years ago), by that I mean, are you just as smart? did you not grow and realize the error of some of your ideas? Aren't you better at geting girls? weren't some of the things you did or thought stupid back then? are you on the same level as a 16 year old or can you teach him some stuff now? did you not learn anything new in these short 3 years? well guess what, even though you may think you now know it all, you simply don't. You're gonna continue to learn.

How many comics have you read?
Spider-man comics, or ALL comics as a whole? I've read the whole amazing history and re-reading as we speak. Read some Spectacular, anything I can get my hands on.

both actually. do you mean you've read every single issue of amazing SM? or a synopsis of the history?

stop pretending you know this character as well as we do.
NO. You stop acting like you know it all because you've been around longer.

I don't know it all, but we know more than you. We can't help that. we get it in a way you don't. You must admit there is a difference between someone who crams information all at once and someone who's been doing it all their lives right? You read Gwen from a historical perspective, we read Gwen from a discovery perspective. We met her, grew with her, knew her, and suffered her death. There is a difference. That is why sins past is much more unacceptable to us than it is to you. You may think you know Sm, and you may know quite a bit, but you're not there yet.

I've been reading SM longer than you've been ALIVE.
And this proves what? Just because I'm younger than you that I have no say in the matter? Dude, be real.

read above. and for the record I'm not saying you have NO say in the matter. I'm saying your say should be more humble because it is limited. It's very possible that someone who's been reading SM for 4 years, gets the character more than someone who's been reading it for 30 years. But everything being equal (same interest, same intelligence, same passion for the character, etc.) that is very unlikely. Would you let some guy who just started reading SM for the past 3 months tell YOU who SM is? answer this please. would you? or would you have a bit more insight than him?

learn something before you open your big mouth.
I learn something everyday from people you... That people like you don't know how to SHUT THE HELL UP.

therein lies the problem, you don't learn anything new. you think you know it all, and because you don't you don't know ****.

 

[HoratioRome]

This is insane, this is FREAKING insane.

Spidey did the right thing, sucker punch or not.
He did what he's done many times in the past, run and live to fight another day. Spidey knew he had a disadvantage being in Stark towers in closed quarters up against Iron Man, and probably knew that within mere moments, had he engaged in a fight, he would be up against not just IM, but SHIELD agents and who knows what else? (Turned out to be true).

that wasn't the point. the point was whether or not it was a sucker punch and whether or not it lived up to the build up we were all anticipating. as for your explanation as to WHY SM had to sucker punch him and run, that is YOUR and JMS reasoning. Remember, jms is in complete control of this world he is creating. He could have written any scenario he wanted. He could have brought the fight outside where shield wouldn't be involved. he could have had SM fight IM in a dignified way before shield got there. he could have done anything he wanted. So your explanations make sense but only within the reality you and JMS created, which is not very heroic for SM

Sucker punching isn't cowardly, it's intelligent fighting. You can run around being "honorable" when it comes to fighting, and most likely have your ass handed to you on more than one occasion. Or you can win by any means necessary, short of killing the other person... which is what Spidey has done many times in the past.

we can debate whether a sucker punch is cowardly or intelligent fighthing. I will even admit that there are times when a sucker punch is a smart move, just as I'm sure you can admit that a sucker punch could be cowardly. BUT, your statement porves my point precisely, by JMS having SM sucker punch SM, it implies that SM would "most likely have his ass handed to him" by IM. because that is the only time when a sucker punch is smart rather than cowardly. get it? it is a subtle put down to SM. As a SM fan, I'm saying this is a mistreatment and misrepresentation of the character.

Or how long have you been reading Spider-Man comics?

long enough believe me. And not only a long time, but I make it a point to now study comics, the history the powers etc. Which leads me to question your knowledge of SM when you say "SM has run and lived to fight another day many times in the past". what? is that really SM's style? Is that how SM handles facing difficult odds, by RUNNING first, and figuring out how best to handle the situation. I would implore you to go back and re-read past SM issues, (pre 1990) you might learn something.

Also, you don't have to be an ass hole to other posters whose opinions are different from yours. It's "quite annoying".

WHOA, what about him being an ******* to me. with his comment. please

 

[Kevin]

Yes, I have read EVERY single issue of amazing spier-man. You may have read it first, in a different way, throughout a different time period, But it all went in the same.

And don't you dare say that I "know it all". I have never claimed to know it all, but know enough. I wouldn't have even stated my POV if I didn't believe i knew what I'm talking about.

Another thing, age is nothing but a goddamn number. It's LIFE EXPERICENCES that help you grow. Me being 19 has NOTHING to do with how I turned into the man I am today. NOT BOY, but man. You don't becaome a man by age, you don't become a man by having a wife and kids. You become a man by proving that you can overcome anything that gets in your way. So don't you dare lump me into any age group. And I will BET if I was the same age as you i'd still be say the same exact things i'm saying now.

I try to get my hands on every issue of anything i read. You ever been to a "Bought/thought" thread? That is never enough. I have to read the issue for myself so I can Judge it in my own way. AND I do my research. ANY newbie should do researches.

And really, what type of arguement is "You've been reading for 4 years, I've been reading for 40, so i know the character better." do you know how idiotic that sounds? It's the same as saying "She's been your mother for 13 years, but she's been MINE for 20, so she likes me better" ...WTH?

Dude, Everyone complains about something. Hell, I complain about something everyday. IT'S A PART OF LIFE.

NO ONE EVER GROWS UP. You proved by saying, not once, but twice how you have a better grasp of the character because you've been here longer. Then you ask "Would you let some guy who just started reading SM for the past 3 months tell YOU who SM is?" Hell yeah i would. know why? Because THAT IS WHO SPIDER-MAN IS TO THEM!

You can't criticize how someone views spider-man. Who the hell do you think you are to try to? All you've proved to me so far, with this and past posts, is that you are a bitter old jaded man whose favorite comicbook character had to chage with the times but couldn't accept that change, so he disapproves it and everyone else who can deal with change.

Have you ever had to move when you didn't want to? That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever had to give up a pet because someone was alergic to it?That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever had to get a new car because your car, your favorite car, broke down? That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever lost your first love? That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever lost a parent? That is a change you have to deal with.

Life changes, everything chages, either you accept it or you don't, but Life will move on with or without you.

HoratioRome, I will admit, you get on my last nerves. Why? Because people like you, OLDER people, always try to prove that they are better than the day's youth. Let me tell you something, All you've proved is that YOUR youth has made MANY mistakes, and that MY youth should learn how to NOT be like yours. Good day. And remember, I will always have something to say. I WOULDN'T have said anything unless I believed (key word: BELIEVED) that I knew what I was Talking about.

 

[USMC]

that wasn't the point. the point was whether or not it was a sucker punch and whether or not it lived up to the build up we were all anticipating.

What build up? This whole series and Spidey, in general, have sucked balls for a long time now! You can't honestly tell me you were expecting this shi!tstorm of a story to suddenly become great? Hey, fool you once, shame on JMS, fool you twice, shame on YOU.

as for your explanation as to WHY SM had to sucker punch him and run, that is YOUR and JMS reasoning. Remember, jms is in complete control of this world he is creating. He could have written any scenario he wanted. He could have brought the fight outside where shield wouldn't be involved. he could have had SM fight IM in a dignified way before shield got there. he could have done anything he wanted. So your explanations make sense but only within the reality you and JMS created, which is not very heroic for SM

Yeah, JMS could have, and did. You don't write the book, he does, yet if it was a scenario YOU agreed with then we wouldn't be having this conversation. You're *****ing because the story doesn't fit in with YOUR reasoning. Please.

BUT, your statement porves my point precisely, by JMS having SM sucker punch SM, it implies that SM would "most likely have his ass handed to him" by IM.

uh, in these circumstances, he WOULD have.

because that is the only time when a sucker punch is smart rather than cowardly. get it?

You proved my point.

it is a subtle put down to SM. As a SM fan, I'm saying this is a mistreatment and misrepresentation of the character.

HAHAHA!!!!t: Again, you HAVE been reading Spidey the last 5 years, right? When has he NOT been mistreated and misrepresented? Dude, who are you crying to about this when this is how Spidey has been written for YEARS?! It's your own fault if you want to read a book of crap and expect it to be anything else! That's on YOU! HAHAHA!!!!t:

long enough believe me. And not only a long time, but I make it a point to now study comics, the history the powers etc. Which leads me to question your knowledge of SM when you say "SM has run and lived to fight another day many times in the past". what? is that really SM's style? Is that how SM handles facing difficult odds, by RUNNING first, and figuring out how best to handle the situation. I would implore you to go back and re-read past SM issues, (pre 1990) you might learn something.

PLEASE don't go on and on about being an expert in comics, ask me about Spider-Man's "style" then tell me that I have to read ONLY issues that are almost 20 YEARS old in order to prove YOUR point. If you honestly feel that Spider-Man hasn't BEEN Spider-Man for over 16 years now, then WHY in god's name are you bothering to read ANYTHING about Spidey past 1990?

Pretty soon, issues post-1990 will be greater in number than issues pre-1990 (they already are, counting all the one-shots, spin-offs, and cameos in other comics). Spider-Man is greater than just the Lee/Ditko era, Gwen's stupid-ass death is not the end-all of Spider-Man stories, and nobody gives a crap about organics vs. webshooters anymore... seriously, if you wanna live in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, then stop reading new issues of Spider-Man!

 

[HoratioRome]

Yes, I have read EVERY single issue of amazing spier-man. You may have read it first, in a different way, throughout a different time period, But it all went in the same.

impressive. I give you credit for that. every issues hugh? how did you get to read every issue? did you buy them all?

And don't you dare say that I "know it all". I have never claimed to know it all, but know enough. I wouldn't have even stated my POV if I didn't believe i knew what I'm talking about.

Another thing, age is nothing but a goddamn number. It's LIFE EXPERICENCES that help you grow. Me being 19 has NOTHING to do with how I turned into the man I am today. NOT BOY, but man. You don't becaome a man by age, you don't become a man by having a wife and kids. You become a man by proving that you can overcome anything that gets in your way. So don't you dare lump me into any age group. And I will BET if I was the same age as you i'd still be say the same exact things i'm saying now.

I can only smile to myself at that statement. It's one of those things that you can only see when you get there. and you will. btw, I'm not questioning your manhood, I am precisely questioning your "experiences that help you grow". and no matter how smart or great or fantastic you are your "experiences" are limited. I noticed you ignored my questions about the difference bet/ you at 16 and now at 19. Did you know that most 16 year old would say what you just said? I wonder what you would say to them?

I try to get my hands on every issue of anything i read. You ever been to a "Bought/thought" thread? That is never enough. I have to read the issue for myself so I can Judge it in my own way. AND I do my research. ANY newbie should do researches.

once again I give you mcuh credit for that. You're right, newbies should do research before opening their mouths.

And really, what type of arguement is "You've been reading for 4 years, I've been reading for 40, so i know the character better." do you know how idiotic that sounds? It's the same as saying "She's been your mother for 13 years, but she's been MINE for 20, so she likes me better" ...WTH?

uhh,...bad anology. It isn't that "she likes me better", it's more like I know her better than you might. actually the correct anology would be a husband who's been married to a woman for 20 years telling her 13 year old son, I know you mother in ways you have no idea. (and no I'm not talking about sex). wouldn't he be right?

Dude, Everyone complains about something. Hell, I complain about something everyday. IT'S A PART OF LIFE.

NO ONE EVER GROWS UP.

what?

You proved by saying, not once, but twice how you have a better grasp of the character because you've been here longer. Then you ask "Would you let some guy who just started reading SM for the past 3 months tell YOU who SM is?" Hell yeah i would. know why? Because THAT IS WHO SPIDER-MAN IS TO THEM!

ahh I like that because even you realize that the guy's understanding of SM is HIS understanding. The point is there comes a point where it's not about what I think, what You think, what JMS thinls or waht JQ thinks. It's about what is.
If a writer writes SM as being as strong as a human, that writer, is making a mistake a factual mistake.
If a writer writes SM as being scared of guns and bullets, (as in the SM vs Wolverine book), that writer is making a factual mistake.
etc.
this isn't a matter of opinion anymore. it becomes a matter of fact. If a writer writes peter as Tony's or Cap's puppy dog, that writer is ignoring the many encounters SM has had with the Avengers and IM in the past. If a writer writes SM as running away from his enemies rather than facing them regardless of the odds that writer is going against the established attitude of SM.
you've read ALL the ASM comics, you should know that.

so yeah, the guy reading SM for 3 months may have his understanding of who SM is, but he imay be far from understanding SM as a character.
Your posts and comments always show me that, that is why I asked for your age. What you've said made sense but only from the perspective of someone who doesn't really know the character. think about that for a second. I have not asked anyone else for their age. why did I ask yours? what did I see in you POV that made me ask?

You can't criticize how someone views spider-man. Who the hell do you think you are to try to?

ahhh but this is where you're wrong, I can criticize how someone views SM if that POV contradicts the established facts. This isn't a case of this is how I think SM is compared to how YOU think SM is. My opinion or "understanding" has no value other then to myself. This is rather a case of this is how YOU think SM is compared to WHO SM is. Compared to what has been established in his 40 year history.
Do you know how many people think of SM as a glorified DD? How many people assume that he is only slightly stronger than human heroes? do you know how many people perceive SM as someone who regularly gets beaten, hurt and knocked out by Human henchmen? Am I supposed to accept this error because that's how THEY view SM? you've read ALL the ASM aren't they wrong about this perception? if you don't know go back and re-read them again.
question, if the 3 month guy tells you that he sees SM as being a rookie who is still scared of people shooting at him (actual conversation based on someone who got into comics by reading SM vs Wolverine), what would YOU say to them?

All you've proved to me so far, with this and past posts, is that you are a bitter old jaded man whose favorite comicbook character had to chage with the times but couldn't accept that change, so he disapproves it and everyone else who can deal with change.

that's just a silly comment, a cullen ,..ok I'll say Mullen. I've made it clear that BAD change is the problem. SM has done nothing but change throughout his history. do You see me arguing about all of them. I only comment about the changes which contradict established characteristics of the character. that's just a silly conclusion on your part.

Have you ever had to move when you didn't want to? That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever had to give up a pet because someone was alergic to it?That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever had to get a new car because your car, your favorite car, broke down? That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever lost your first love? That is a change you have to deal with.

Have you ever lost a parent? That is a change you have to deal with.

Life changes, everything chages, either you accept it or you don't, but Life will move on with or without you.

please

HoratioRome, I will admit, you get on my last nerves. Why? Because people like you, OLDER people, always try to prove that they are better than the day's youth. Let me tell you something, All you've proved is that YOUR youth has made MANY mistakes, and that MY youth should learn how to NOT be like yours. Good day. And remember, I will always have something to say. I WOULDN'T have said anything unless I believed (key word: BELIEVED) that I knew what I was Talking about.

that just makes me laugh. talk to me 20 years from now. heck talk to me 5 years from now. but you kow what, enough. I'm tired of this.
if you want to continue talking I'd rather talk about SM himself. Since you've read all the ASM issues I would find it much more interesting to discuss why I feel these things are out of character and why you feel they are not. To discover with you who he is, what his powers are, what his capabilities are, and moving foward what would be the wrong way to handle the character as a writer. IOW the things a writer would write that would be flat out mistakes.
Let's discover if you will SM, perhaps I may learn something from you.

I'll ad this last thing. I've noticed that people who've gotten into comics within the past 10 years see superheroes as concepts rather than characters.
They see a "wolverine" as an aggressive guy with claws rather than seeing logan as a particular entity. That is why "changes" are so acceptable to your generation. So what he's 6'2 he's still Wolverine. Whereas we feel we know Wolverine and no, he's not 6'2 .

so let's discover if SM is a concept rather than a specific character. cause once we do it should be easy to recognize the mistakes.

 

[arachnid-guy]

All this fighting over a punch?

One punch?

One punch.

That levelled IM.

Gawd, people can be so freakus.

Just take it like it is.

HoratioRome, i thought better of you......

 

[HoratioRome]

What build up? This whole series and Spidey, in general, have sucked balls for a long time now! You can't honestly tell me you were expecting this shi!tstorm of a story to suddenly become great? Hey, fool you once, shame on JMS, fool you twice, shame on YOU.

you know the build up that was happening right here on these boards where people were talking about the upcoming fight. where people were looking forward to Sm finally kicking some ass. did you miss those threads? they should still be around.

Yeah, JMS could have, and did. You don't write the book, he does, yet if it was a scenario YOU agreed with then we wouldn't be having this conversation. You're *****ing because the story doesn't fit in with YOUR reasoning. Please.

not because the story doesn't fit my reasoning but because the story isn't complimentary to SM, who happens to be the flagship hero of the MU,...

uh, in these circumstances, he WOULD have.



You proved my point.

no you prove MY point,....but nevermind. I

HAHAHA!!!!t: Again, you HAVE been reading Spidey the last 5 years, right? When has he NOT been mistreated and misrepresented? Dude, who are you crying to about this when this is how Spidey has been written for YEARS?! It's your own fault if you want to read a book of crap and expect it to be anything else! That's on YOU! HAHAHA!!!!t:

So let me get this straight, you acknowledge that SM has been mistreated and misrepresented for years, but you're suprised that someone who's loved SM has a problem with that? 2 things, regardless of how ****ty writers have handled Sm in the past my love for him has nver waivered. Second, I do not buy current comics, but look forward to the day when he is handled well. Is that wrong? you know what I give up,,.your comment mad eme realize something. Things HAVE changed, and I'm the dinosaur who is now out of date and out of touch. The new SM will soon have been around as long as the old, so who am I to judge which is more valid? ...I'm out. I'll just stick to reading my essentials and masterworks.

PLEASE don't go on and on about being an expert in comics, ask me about Spider-Man's "style" then tell me that I have to read ONLY issues that are almost 20 YEARS old in order to prove YOUR point. If you honestly feel that Spider-Man hasn't BEEN Spider-Man for over 16 years now, then WHY in god's name are you bothering to read ANYTHING about Spidey past 1990?

Pretty soon, issues post-1990 will be greater in number than issues pre-1990 (they already are, counting all the one-shots, spin-offs, and cameos in other comics). Spider-Man is greater than just the Lee/Ditko era, Gwen's stupid-ass death is not the end-all of Spider-Man stories, and nobody gives a crap about organics vs. webshooters anymore... seriously, if you wanna live in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, then stop reading new issues of Spider-Man!

 

[Miss Webb]

All this fighting over a punch?

One punch?

One punch.

That levelled IM.

Gawd, people can be so freakus.

Just take it like it is.

HoratioRome, i thought better of you......

LOL, this is so, this is so...I'd like to call it a 'tactical' hit myself. You get an opponent off of you while you make a move (either attack or escape). I got no problem with it. Just seeing Spidey pop that sucker was enough for me! t: Would've been even cooler if he heaved IM into the air with his head wrapped up like a basket.

 

[Kevin]

You want to know how I viewed Spider-man when i was 16?
"I like spider-man, he''s kool. MJ is his girlfriend, blah blah blah."

How do I view him now?
He will always be my favorite marvel character, but he's a whiney little pathetic b****. Yeah, I said it. All the crap that has happened to him, that is what I gathered. Am I wrong? NO. That's just how I view him now.

Also "uhh,...bad anology. It isn't that "she likes me better", it's more like I know her better than you might. actually the correct anology would be a husband who's been married to a woman for 20 years telling her 13 year old son, I know you mother in ways you have no idea. (and no I'm not talking about sex). wouldn't he be right?" Yee see, that doesn't woirk as we are BOTH FANS. You might as well just said that i was a reader and you were stan lee. See the difference? It's not abou father and somn, they are two different things. But we are both FANS, all this is about is years. Whic brings me to my next point.

"I can only smile to myself at that statement. It's one of those things that you can only see when you get there. and you will. btw, I'm not questioning your manhood, I am precisely questioning your "experiences that help you grow". and no matter how smart or great or fantastic you are your "experiences" are limited." If I died tonight, which would be all of my experiences, would they still have been limited? Would that make my points more valid? less? All you are about is time, and how time wins above all.

"ahh I like that because even you realize that the guy's understanding of SM is HIS understanding. The point is there comes a point where it's not about what I think, what You think, what JMS thinls or waht JQ thinks. It's about what is." There is no "IS." It is not written in stone how spider-man should or shouldn't be written. If someone wants to express what spider-man is to them, like JMS has done, then that is what they think. Whether it be good or bad. And really, you think you're one of the biggest spidey fans? If you wrote him, do you think everyone will like it? I'm sure you don't, and the same would apply to me if I wrote him. You could write spidey on what you "think" he "is", and someone would call you out and say "that's not the spidey I know." There isn't one spier-man. If there was, there would be alot less fans. Why else would we have "manga spider-man" "ultimate spider-man" "movie spider-man"? All of these ideas came from the "original spider-man."

HoratioRome, I see spider-man one way, you see it in the other. I like spider-man in some ways, all ways, any ways. You obviuosly like spider-man of THE PAST. If you can't deal with it, that's on you. You are not better than me, you are not a better fan than me. You may know more, but as time goes on, I WILL learn more. If I like my spider-man as a teacher, married to mJ, no supported cast, and the works, that is MY spider-man. Actually, that is my spider-man era. I'm sorry yours is gone, i'm sorry you don't like how thngs turned out, but too bad. This debate is pointless.

 

[USMC]

you know the build up that was happening right here on these boards where people were talking about the upcoming fight. where people were looking forward to Sm finally kicking some ass. did you miss those threads? they should still be around.

My bad, I thought you were referring to what Marvel has been saying was the "build up" for Civil War, not by what fans thought it should be...

not because the story doesn't fit my reasoning but because the story isn't complimentary to SM, who happens to be the flagship hero of the MU,...

I agree, the story... hell, most stories of SM the last few years... aren't complimentary to SM as a character. I'd be willing to go so far as to say that the finale of the Clone Saga, and thereafter, have been the downfall of Spider-Man as a character and as a comic book. Limited number of specific stories have been handled well. The rest have been lame or have been forgotten. The ONLY reason SM crawled out of possible oblivion was because of the movie.

So let me get this straight, you acknowledge that SM has been mistreated and misrepresented for years, but you're suprised that someone who's loved SM has a problem with that?

No, I'm surprised that someone who also acknowledges that Spidey has been mistreated fully expects things to change, when the writers have not!

2 things, regardless of how ****ty writers have handled Sm in the past my love for him has nver waivered. Second, I do not buy current comics, but look forward to the day when he is handled well. Is that wrong?

Absolutely not, that is a good thing! I'm in the same boat... I had not realized that you didn't buy comics, I thought you were just another fan who buys these pathetic stories and then complains about them. My apologies!!!

you know what I give up,,.your comment mad eme realize something. Things HAVE changed, and I'm the dinosaur who is now out of date and out of touch. The new SM will soon have been around as long as the old, so who am I to judge which is more valid? ...I'm out. I'll just stick to reading my essentials and masterworks.

That really sucks that this is what it comes to for not just you and me, but for many fans... Spidey's reputation nowadays, and for a long time to come, will be built on the backs of those who only really knew him from the Clone Saga onwards, and from the movies... and that's really a sad thing.

 

[HoratioRome]

My bad, I thought you were referring to what Marvel has been saying was the "build up" for Civil War, not by what fans thought it should be...




I agree, the story... hell, most stories of SM the last few years... aren't complimentary to SM as a character. I'd be willing to go so far as to say that the finale of the Clone Saga, and thereafter, have been the downfall of Spider-Man as a character and as a comic book. Limited number of specific stories have been handled well. The rest have been lame or have been forgotten. The ONLY reason SM crawled out of possible oblivion was because of the movie.




No, I'm surprised that someone who also acknowledges that Spidey has been mistreated fully expects things to change, when the writers have not!



Absolutely not, that is a good thing! I'm in the same boat... I had not realized that you didn't buy comics, I thought you were just another fan who buys these pathetic stories and then complains about them. My apologies!!!



That really sucks that this is what it comes to for not just you and me, but for many fans... Spidey's reputation nowadays, and for a long time to come, will be built on the backs of those who only really knew him from the Clone Saga onwards, and from the movies... and that's really a sad thing.

dude that's what I've been saying (or meaning to say) why the attack earlier?
NM don't answer,..it's cool
That last comment of yours is dead on though.

 

[Kevin]

Now can we quit this pointlessness? I'm willing to.:huh?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

You want to know how I viewed Spider-man when i was 16?
"I like spider-man, he''s kool. MJ is his girlfriend, blah blah blah."

How do I view him now?
He will always be my favorite marvel character, but he's a whiney little pathetic b****. Yeah, I said it. All the crap that has happened to him, that is what I gathered. Am I wrong? NO. That's just how I view him now.

Also "uhh,...bad anology. It isn't that "she likes me better", it's more like I know her better than you might. actually the correct anology would be a husband who's been married to a woman for 20 years telling her 13 year old son, I know you mother in ways you have no idea. (and no I'm not talking about sex). wouldn't he be right?" Yee see, that doesn't woirk as we are BOTH FANS. You might as well just said that i was a reader and you were stan lee. See the difference? It's not abou father and somn, they are two different things. But we are both FANS, all this is about is years. Whic brings me to my next point.

"I can only smile to myself at that statement. It's one of those things that you can only see when you get there. and you will. btw, I'm not questioning your manhood, I am precisely questioning your "experiences that help you grow". and no matter how smart or great or fantastic you are your "experiences" are limited." If I died tonight, which would be all of my experiences, would they still have been limited? Would that make my points more valid? less? All you are about is time, and how time wins above all.

"ahh I like that because even you realize that the guy's understanding of SM is HIS understanding. The point is there comes a point where it's not about what I think, what You think, what JMS thinls or waht JQ thinks. It's about what is." There is no "IS." It is not written in stone how spider-man should or shouldn't be written. If someone wants to express what spider-man is to them, like JMS has done, then that is what they think. Whether it be good or bad. And really, you think you're one of the biggest spidey fans? If you wrote him, do you think everyone will like it? I'm sure you don't, and the same would apply to me if I wrote him. You could write spidey on what you "think" he "is", and someone would call you out and say "that's not the spidey I know." There isn't one spier-man. If there was, there would be alot less fans. Why else would we have "manga spider-man" "ultimate spider-man" "movie spider-man"? All of these ideas came from the "original spider-man."

HoratioRome, I see spider-man one way, you see it in the other. I like spider-man in some ways, all ways, any ways. You obviuosly like spider-man of THE PAST. If you can't deal with it, that's on you. You are not better than me, you are not a better fan than me. You may know more, but as time goes on, I WILL learn more. If I like my spider-man as a teacher, married to mJ, no supported cast, and the works, that is MY spider-man. Actually, that is my spider-man era. I'm sorry yours is gone, i'm sorry you don't like how thngs turned out, but too bad. This debate is pointless.

Nicely said, CB.

 

[HoratioRome]

You want to know how I viewed Spider-man when i was 16?
"I like spider-man, he''s kool. MJ is his girlfriend, blah blah blah."

How do I view him now?
He will always be my favorite marvel character, but he's a whiney little pathetic b****. Yeah, I said it. All the crap that has happened to him, that is what I gathered. Am I wrong? NO. That's just how I view him now.

Also "uhh,...bad anology. It isn't that "she likes me better", it's more like I know her better than you might. actually the correct anology would be a husband who's been married to a woman for 20 years telling her 13 year old son, I know you mother in ways you have no idea. (and no I'm not talking about sex). wouldn't he be right?" Yee see, that doesn't woirk as we are BOTH FANS. You might as well just said that i was a reader and you were stan lee. See the difference? It's not abou father and somn, they are two different things. But we are both FANS, all this is about is years. Whic brings me to my next point.

I was using the Father only as someone who's been around the mother longer.last time I checked husbands didn't create their wives. but oh well...

"I can only smile to myself at that statement. It's one of those things that you can only see when you get there. and you will. btw, I'm not questioning your manhood, I am precisely questioning your "experiences that help you grow". and no matter how smart or great or fantastic you are your "experiences" are limited." If I died tonight, which would be all of my experiences, would they still have been limited? huh yes,....you're funny. if a 10 year old dies weren't his experiences limited?

Would that make my points more valid? less? All you are about is time, and how time wins above all.

"ahh I like that because even you realize that the guy's understanding of SM is HIS understanding. The point is there comes a point where it's not about what I think, what You think, what JMS thinls or waht JQ thinks. It's about what is." There is no "IS." It is not written in stone how spider-man should or shouldn't be written. If someone wants to express what spider-man is to them, like JMS has done, then that is what they think. Whether it be good or bad. And really, you think you're one of the biggest spidey fans? If you wrote him, do you think everyone will like it? I'm sure you don't, and the same would apply to me if I wrote him. You could write spidey on what you "think" he "is", and someone would call you out and say "that's not the spidey I know." There isn't one spier-man. If there was, there would be alot less fans. Why else would we have "manga spider-man" "ultimate spider-man" "movie spider-man"? All of these ideas came from the "original spider-man."

HoratioRome, I see spider-man one way, you see it in the other. I like spider-man in some ways, all ways, any ways. You obviuosly like spider-man of THE PAST. If you can't deal with it, that's on you. You are not better than me, you are not a better fan than me. You may know more, but as time goes on, I WILL learn more. If I like my spider-man as a teacher, married to mJ, no supported cast, and the works, that is MY spider-man. Actually, that is my spider-man era. I'm sorry yours is gone, i'm sorry you don't like how thngs turned out, but too bad. This debate is pointless.

the red highlights demonstrate the fundamental difference between us. That is the generational gap I stated in the previous post. You see a concept which can be interpreted any way the artist (or reader) sees fit, I see a character which every artist must conform to. USMC has made me realize that my perception is no more right than yours. That's just the way it is now. and pretty soon, the conceptual SM will have been around as long as the actual SM. so there is no more to be said.

 

[HoratioRome]

Now can we quit this pointlessness? I'm willing to.:huh?

yes please,....

 

[Themanofbat]

Wow.... I've been buying Spidey comics since 1975, and monthly off the rack since 1978.

I must be an expert on Spider-Man...

NOT!!!

 

[USMC]

Wow.... I've been buying Spidey comics since 1975, and monthly off the rack since 1978.

I must be an expert on Spider-Man...

NOT!!!

You're an expert, TMOB.

But you're also old.