BvS At what point of his career should the Affleck!Batman be?

[Polux]

Kind of agree with the stated above; Batman cannot have many years under his belt and still be a "urban myth", not in the "semi-realistic" (don't go there) world of these movies; the moment Bats starts fighting the likes of the Joker, Two-Face, whatever, some kid with a cell phone is gonna have footage of that; the "urban myth" thing can only go on for a few years, I'd say 4-5 tops, the moment that Bats fights one of his big profile rogues, the word is out on him, no way around that; also, MOS made it clear that Superman was the first public superhero, meaning that Bats could've only been around for a few years; and Bruce is not gonna start being Batman in his late 30s, right?? So I'm assuming (more like hoping) that he's in his mid 30s and has been operating in the shadows for a few years (which would work perfectly fine with Snyder's comments of a "older, more experienced/seasoned crimefighter" compared to Superman); people expecting him to be working in the shadows for 10 years before his exploids becoming public are forgetting a few things; this isn't the comic boook, Bats isn't gonna be young and strong and capable of doing the Batman thing forever (40s is already pushing it), and also, Bats doesn't need 10 years of career to make hin more experienced, 2 years of the kinda life he has, with all the things he has seen and dealt with on a daily basis would make him more experienced that anyone else...

At least that's what I'm hoping for, I think Affleck can totally pass for mid 30s guy who's been fighting the good fight since his late 20s and put on the Batsuit a few years ago...


Polux

 

[Jekecy]

I can't agree with the notion Batman isn't able to stay underground for too long, or even after he's fought his most well known rogues. The urban myth angle is perpetuated from a combination of misinformation, vague attributions, and lack of overall visibility. The last one being key.

If you take the stories from both TDK and TDKR, those are pure examples of why Batman couldn't remain underground. Batman was practically being outed left and right. You have to remove all the elements which would make his presence concrete to the city. That means the Batmobile, the Batsignal, public appearances, and city-dominating plots. Excise all that meat and you have a stronger depiction of a Batman who is in and out without anyone's immediate notice.

This is where Burton got it right the most. Not a single person had a very good look at Batman. He was always seen from the shadows, at a distance, or in a split second. It's very easy to imagine a scenario in which everyone sort of just turns the other cheek in regards to referencing Batman, in fear of looking deluded.

It would be a nice differentiator from the past few films. Batman's image as this "creature of the night" is nothing but a relic of a bygone era that is only passed on because of tradition. I can't think of a single instance in his mainstream iterations where such subtlety is actually depicted. I'd love a return to that.

 

[Project862006]

i want him to be a seasoned batman age range of 38 a man who has been doing this since his early twenties a man who has seen some stuff his life a man who is a seasoned crime fighter,a man who has traveled the world and got wiser,more experienced over the years

he should be more intelligent and tactical than clark kent

 

[D.P.]

Batman = Bigfoot.

People contend that Bigfoot could exist in the vast Pacific Northwest rainforests just due to the sheer size of the land. There is just too much land and too many places for a highly intelligent creature to stay hidden which gives the theory credibility to some people.

If we are to believe that, then Bigfoot(s) have been operating in the region for decades if not hundreds of years, choosing to stay hidden. Plenty of people have claimed to witness them, but the majority of society looks at them like nutcases.

So it's easy to see how a highly trained ninja/crimefighter/detective could remain under the radar with very limited visibility for years. He operates only at night and uses stealth tactics. The only ones that can attest to his existence are criminals, and criminals aren't considered to be reliable witnesses. They would only have broken bones and bruises to show for the encounter.

As far as people catching him on video/picture, it's possible but doubtful. If someone was lucky enough to snag a pic, it would be too blurry/dark to use. People still debate over the authenticity of that one Bigfoot picture to this day.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's not just about Batman staying hidden, more or less, from the people of Gotham; it's about him staying hidden from the entire world, and the longer he's been in operation, the more likely it is that rumors would've leaked out about him, and that likelihood increases if he's been taking out extraordinary criminal threats on a fairly consistent basis.

It's possible that the guy Lois sold her 'Superman' story to could've published pieces on 'The Batman', but even if most of the world dismissed such reports, the reaction to Clark's heroic actions would've been different even if only the vaguest of rumors had slipped out about 'The Batman'. Clark was looked on with fear and suspicion by everyone besides Lois, and that wouldn't have happened if even the slightest rumors about an urban myth called 'The Batman' were out there in any way.

 

[The Batman]

He should be a live action version of 70's Batman: A superhero James Bond living in a penthouse, with Robin already off on his own.

 

[Gamingboy]

Batman could be semi-public while still being considered a urban myth. There is historical precedent for it:

Take, for example, the Mob. They started being active in the 19th century in America, and while some individual gangsters were outed or made famous here and there, it wasn't until the 1950s that the organization confirmed to exist. Before then, there were talks of a semi-mythical "national crime syndicate" here and there, but it had never been proven, and many, including J. Edgar Hoover himself (who, admittedly, may have been being blackmailed by the Mob), treated it as just that: a myth.

Similarly, since antiquity there had been tales of "The Kraken" and other gigantic cephalopods, but it wasn't until the 19th and 20th centuries that large squid were confirmed to exist.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ You're still missing the point; if there are even the vaguest of rumors out there about Batman's existence (even if they are dismissed at large), the reaction to Clark changes and he's not looked on with universal fear and suspicion.

 

[Gamingboy]

^ You're still missing the point; if there are even the vaguest of rumors out there about Batman's existence (even if they are dismissed at large), the reaction to Clark changes and he's not looked on with universal fear and suspicion.

Except that a dude in a suit beating the crap out of psychos with weird gimmicks (again, presuming that he superpowered villains like Ivy and Clayface show up AFTER Superman appears) is also quite different from gods on Earth leveling a large portion of a major city in a showdown.

 

[The Batman]

I wouldn't mind if Bruce's arc involves Clark teaching him to become more of a hero by going out into the open, becoming less "vigilante" and more like a symbol.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Several years, rogues gallery are largely established Dick Grayson has flown the nest, Jason is worm chow, Tim is recently Robin.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ You are still missing the point. Even if most people were dismiss rumors of Batman's existence, some people would've believed those reports - as well as Lois' report about Clark that she sold to that online blogger, and there would've been a difference in the reaction to Clark.

Lois, Martha, and Pete were the ONLY people on the entire planet who didn't react to Clark with fear and suspicion. That wouldn't have happened if rumors of 'The Batman' were circulating even if most people dismissed them.

This means that Batman would've had to stay completely off the radar, and he couldn't realistically do that if he'd been in operation for as long as some people want him to be and if he'd done even half of the things some people want him to have done.

 

[D.P.]

^ You are still missing the point. Even if most people were dismiss rumors of Batman's existence, some people would've believed those reports - as well as Lois' report about Clark that she sold to that online blogger, and there would've been a difference in the reaction to Clark.

Lois, Martha, and Pete were the ONLY people on the entire planet who didn't react to Clark with fear and suspicion. That wouldn't have happened if rumors of 'The Batman' were circulating even if most people dismissed them.

This means that Batman would've had to stay completely off the radar, and he couldn't realistically do that if he'd been in operation for as long as some people want him to be and if he'd done even half of the things some people want him to have done.

It really depends on is if his rogues exist in this version of the universe. And if they do, did he get in high profile knock down, drag out brawls with them that are public knowledge?

If Joker exists in the form we all know and love, then yes it's more than likely that Batman is "outed" by this point. Joker is so over the top and flashy with his crime, that it would have to be known at that point who is putting Joker back in Arkham time and time again.

If he's just fighting street level crime, it's not hard to believe that he can remain a myth.

 

[vrivasfl]

Batman is a very different creature than Superman. At the end of the day, this is a guy who dresses like a bat and goes out every night to fight crime. He's human. That's easy to understand. All the way in Metropolis, they have little reason to care about the bat-themed vigilante in Gotham fighting mobsters or even clown-themed anarchists.

Superman is something new. He's an alien. He has powers. He's basically a god. He's nothing like that Gotham vigilante. It's a valid point that only Lois, Pete and Martha didn't react with fear and suspicion, but then again, Superman didn't go to Gotham. Even if people outside of Gotham may have heard of Batman, its unlikely they would ever have seen him.

 

[riddlethejoker]

Am I the only one who can't see Dick Grayson working all that well?

If they portray him as a seventeen year-old high-school drop-out or something then it might do. I don't know how general audiences would take a 40 year-old guy bringing a 12 year-old kid into a life of crime. It's all about how they do it.

I think Jason Todd would work better. I just want an adaptation of 'A Death in the Family', that's all. Maybe allude to Dick Grayson or something. I don't know.

 

[vrivasfl]

I would go with 17-18 year old Dick Grayson with flashback to 14 year old Dick Grayson becoming Robin. I think viewing audiences are getting tired of origin stories. Spending too much time on a Robin origin might be problematic.

 

[DigificWriter]

Batman's rogues gallery can very much exist in the DCCU as launched by MoS, but he can't have fought any of his more high-profile adversaries (i.e. Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, etc.) and still remain an urban myth with absolutely no rumors about his existence reaching the wider world outside of Gotham (which would've changed the universally negative reaction that Clark got when he went public in response to Zod's ultimatum).

If he's fought any of the members of his rogues gallery by the time we meet him in MoS 2/Batman vs. Superman/World's Finest, he'll have probably fought people like the Royal Flush Gang, Clock King, Baby Doll, Firefly, The Ventriloquist, Red Claw, etc., people who aren't so over-the-top that his having taken them down would be huge news.

This whole 'he needs to have already gone through two Robins' stuff also can't happen for the same reason that he can't have already faced most of his more high-profile adversaries.

 

[TheGospelOfMark]

I like the idea of Batman from TAS. Established. Mid to late thirties. If there is a Robin, it's like the Robin from TAS in the beginning, like college aged. Maybe Batman hasn't encountered some of the bigger foes, but has been taking down mob guys, and smaller people in the rogues gallery like Victor Zsaz and dudes like that. A lot more of him patrolling and intervening in crimes, rather than just focusing on one big thing a la the Nolan trilogy. More like the comics please.

 

[Lencho01]

He should at least have gone through one Robin if he's truly going to be as old and experienced as they want us to believe.

 

[heath]

I think I would like to see them put him about 4-5 yrs into his career. He's been fighting the mob and only a few know of his existence. He would be at a point where he knows he won't be able to outright stop crime and he won't live forever, so he has taken in a 16 yr old Grayson and is training him as a partner and heir to his war. He could already be Robin or still training like in most of Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale's "Dark Victory". It could be set at a point when super criminals are starting to take over the crime of Gotham from the mobsters.

 

[batman_1989_]

he should be a live action version of 70's batman: A superhero james bond living in a penthouse, with robin already off on his own.

hell yes.

 

[billy007]

3-7 years experienced in Gotham City but still the urban myth. Superman should be the first cape he encounters and has a problem compensating. But he'll figure all the problems out(He's Batman!) NO ROBIN YET! Robin kills the myth.

 

[DigificWriter]

He should at least have gone through one Robin if he's truly going to be as old and experienced as they want us to believe.

Says who?

 

[D.P.]

Batman's rogues gallery can very much exist in the DCCU as launched by MoS, but he can't have fought any of his more high-profile adversaries (i.e. Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, etc.) and still remain an urban myth with absolutely no rumors about his existence reaching the wider world outside of Gotham (which would've changed the universally negative reaction that Clark got when he went public in response to Zod's ultimatum).

If he's fought any of the members of his rogues gallery by the time we meet him in MoS 2/Batman vs. Superman/World's Finest, he'll have probably fought people like the Royal Flush Gang, Clock King, Baby Doll, Firefly, The Ventriloquist, Red Claw, etc., people who aren't so over-the-top that his having taken them down would be huge news.

This whole 'he needs to have already gone through two Robins' stuff also can't happen for the same reason that he can't have already faced most of his more high-profile adversaries.

Yea, I'm on the same page with you.

As far as the Robins, I always envisioned him not taking on a Robin until he reached that grizzled veteran point of his career that we are allegedly getting in MoS2. I always imagined him reaching a point in his life where he realizes that he can't do this forever and needs a protege to carry on the mantle.

So he can't have "gone through two Robins", he would have to just be on his first by roughly 35-40 years old.

 

[jimonb]

I'd say he's already faced Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, two face, riddler, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Bane.

In that order...

And Robin probably showed up to help with two face and riddler and has stuck around ever since.