TheVileOne
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Unfortunately, you were hopefully wrong.Hopefully never.
Unfortunately, you were hopefully wrong.Hopefully never.
which is not how its supposed to be from everything i've readAs Nighthawk said, he's the architect and Hyperion is the nail.
which is not how its supposed to be from everything i've read
Anybody see the new episode yet? I wonder how they are going to continue to patronize us black fans into thinking Sam is a useful member of the team?
Hey, why doesn't Falcon look anything like he does in the movies?
He's a lot more useful than Hawkeye.
Call me a skeptic but I haven't seen anything he has done worthwhile other than flying around and copying early 90's Archangel. Hawk eye has had years of training and is competent with both bow and sword, yet Sam only received a crash course on combat gymnastics with Steve during their Haitian island vacation. Am I missing something?
From Marvel...
"At a later point, Wilson was offered membership to the premier superhero team Avengers. However, he was uncomfortable that his presence was due largely to the government's "affirmative action" policy, and he returned to his social work almost immediately after some stern words with his fellow heroes. Despite his feelings, he has helped the Avengers on occasion as a provisional member.
More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/universe/Falcon_(Sam_Wilson)#ixzz3RwIzbdCJ"
I am still trying to wrap my head around as to how Sam is any use to Avengers, and now you have told me he has helped out Tony Stark many an occasion, since when has Tony needed a social worker from Harlem to help him solve complex tasks? Ok I get that this is a different universe from the 616 but we have had more than one "Sam is useful" episode on this show and it's ticking me off.
Maybe I have seen the same goody goody black character recycled over and over again during my life of watching cartoons that it is unnerving me.
They portray him as a mama's boy, a non threatening nerd, and because of this we have had to suffer watching silly stories such as the one where Sam wanted to hide his Avenger's identity from his mama. I wonder what whent on in the private meeting where they decided to replace T'Challa with this guy?!
I like good fiction so I am not trying to troll. I would love to see an upgrade to Sam, and a change in his perspective where he evolves from the non threatening operative who plays the role of tennis ball retriever to a complex individual who is vital to the team. In EMH their Falcon sounded very much like the detective in Menace to Society and I could get behind that! But this incarnation of Sam? No. Everytime I watch him I half expect him to break out singing a Tom Jones song and dancing the "Carlton."
But to me Sam comes off as their mascot, their faithful little pet who looks at the heroes with non judging loving eyes, who not only wants to serve the fight against evil, but also needs to be loved and validated. This isn't the Get Along Gang, that show ended 30 years ago.
What the Hell marvel?
This show is much more light-hearted than EMH. All of the characters have displayed goofy tendencies, including Thor and Hulk. In many ways, Sam's characterization on the show mirror's Peter Parkers on USM. Falcon is a teenager who isn't used to functioning as a part of team that often has New York or the world's fate in its hands. To young kids--which is clearly the key demo for this show--Falcon is likely the most relatable character on the show.
As to why Tony needs his help, try watching the "Nighthawk" episode (#32) where all of the Avengers were under attack from countermeasures designed by Falcon himself. This story had strong echoes of Justice League: Doom, only with Falcon being the focal point instead of Batman. Falcon's planning not only takes down all of the Avengers, he also has to outsmart himself to counteract Nighthawk's attacks. In this continuity, it seems like Tony is training Sam to one day be his replacement in leading the team.
Contrast that to Hawkeye, whose main purpose on the show seems to be lame quips that anger Black Widow and Hulk. On the episode "Mojo World", Hulk is transported to fight there. Hawkeye mistakenly brought too, and Mojo repeatedly forgets Hawkeye's name. That sums up Hawkeye's role on this show perfectly. Unlike the movie, which actually tried to make Hawkeye seem important (but still failed), AA pokes fun at the fact that Hawkeye is mostly a liability.
Ultimate Spiderman's cartoon is ending..... Hopefully, this will too by the time Avengers 2 comes.
I get that, but if Hulk is on the team and has his own show, why can't they just include Spidey in the Avengers? Plus when Cap met Sam, Sam was already in his mid twenties, and it just further supports the negative "boy" stereotype...
I loved that episode but it only made me hate Sam more. Despite the fact it was a ripoff of Kingdom Come, Sam almost compromised the team by not being upfront with them. I was secretly hoping Sam would joing up with Nightwing, but no, everything worked out for the best. And it only furthers my disdain for this show when you mentioned that Tony is training him. In 616 continuity T'challa was Cap's superior, yet in the Ultimates T'challa is being trained by Cap to someday be a hero. I already hate this show even more now.
True, but hawkeye can hold his own alot better than Sam, and at least he has a supernatural aim. I don't know much about Hawkeye so I can't really debate you there, but he was very useful during the Termini saga in the early 90's if you read that. But I still hate Sam, he is an embarrassment. Of all the black characters they could have used they pick him.
I'm not sure why Sam was chosen over other african american characters, but it's a good thing for them. The slapstick, pre-school-friendly tone of the show wouldn't do justice to an ernest character like T'Challa. Power Man is getting a similar treatment on Ultimate Spider-man, where all of the characters are naive, periodically bumbling, and dealing with silly teen problems like out-of-control science projects. With all of the current Marvel animated shows, strong character writing doesn't seem to be a priority.
I'm not sure why Sam was chosen over other african american characters, but it's a good thing for them. The slapstick, pre-school-friendly tone of the show wouldn't do justice to an ernest character like T'Challa. Power Man is getting a similar treatment on Ultimate Spider-man, where all of the characters are naive, periodically bumbling, and dealing with silly teen problems like out-of-control science projects. With all of the current Marvel animated shows, strong character writing doesn't seem to be a priority.
He was chosen because at the time he was one of the next characters to be introduced in the films.
If so, it makes little sense to introduce a character in such different ways. Sam's look, age, and personality are all different in TWS. Supposedly, the whole change from EMH to AA was to reflect the MCU more closely. That's failed.
Man did they dumb Thanos down for tv. No way would he be beaten the way the Avengers beat him.