Avengers Assemble - New Animated Series

[ssj wolverine]

Finally saw the first episode. Man that was awful. The animation was terrible and the writing was horrible. The only saving grace was that Thor was able to stand up to Hulk instead of getting his ass whipped as usual.

 

[Lencho01]

I feel like some of you make it sound a lot worse than it actually was.

 

[Artistsean]

Felt like the overseas crew lost the daylight color scheme blueprints
and the whole show colored the Avengers as if they were in night
time color scheme mode. Felt like it was colored with highlighter
markers. Took me out of the show many times.

Spoiler

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Sure this is a night time scene, but they were colored like this during
the day. Hulk, Thor, Black widow, Hawkeye, etc, were fighting on the
Avenger's mansion's lawn in the daylight and were still colored like this.

Captain America colored for night (IMO) during the day.

I once heard that in the final episode of JLU Superman fights Darkseid
and gets beat up but Darkseid looks untouched, because they lost the
model sheet of the beaten up Darksied and the overseas department
just animated him looking normal and they had no time to fix that.
So maybe thats what happened here I hope.

While watching I kept comparing it to the old show.
Not to compare it to the old Avengers cartoon, seems not needed
and not fair, but here is how they were colored here:

I thought the story could have been better but wasn't terrible.
And I thought the art was alright. Everything could be better.
But I want the show to work and to last a long time, they already
canceled one Avengers cartoon, if they canceled two it would
look really bad and could stop any future cartoons.
Plus no cartoon starts out as perfect as it becomes. Watch
the first episode of the Simpsons and compare it to a new one.
As the shows go on with more episodes/viewers they get more
money leading to the art getting better, the animation becoming
more fluid, and the stories getting better.
I liked the show for the most part, I just think there is room for
improvement. And I hope they have time to improve it and not
get canceled because of massive negative reaction and low
ratings.

I want this to last and for us to get Thanos, the GOTG, Spider-
Woman, Carol/Captain Marvel, Captain Britain, Atuma, Dracula,
maybe the Dark Avengers, Namor, Young Avengers, etc. I would
love this showto become like Young Justice, where everyone
from the Marvel universe could show up at some point.

If anyone finds any art from the show, like screen grabs, or character designs or model sheets, can you please post them?

 

[Dugath]

Felt like the overseas crew lost the daylight color scheme blueprints
and the whole show colored the Avengers as if they were in night
time color scheme mode.

Spoiler

Larger Version:

Sure this is a night time scene, but they were colored like this during the day. Hulk, Thor, Black widow, Hawkeye, etc, were fighting on the Avenger's mansion's lawn in the daylight and were still colored like this.
I once heard that in the final episode of JLU Superman fights Darkseid and gets beat up but Darkseid looks untouched, because they lost the model sheet of the beaten up Darksied and the overseas department just animated him looking normal and they had no time to fix that. So maybe thats what happened here I hope.

Not to compare it to the old Avengers cartoon, seems not needed, but here is how they were colored here:

I thought the story could have been better but wasn't terrible.
And I thought the art was alright. Everything could be better.
But I want the show to work and to last a long time, they already
canceled one Avengers cartoon, if they canceled two it would
look really bad and could stop any future cartoons.
Plus no cartoon starts out as perfect as it becomes. Watch
the first episode of the Simpsons and compare it to a new one.

I want this to last and for us to get Thanos, the GOTG, Spider-Woman,
Carol/Captain Marvel, Captain Britain, Atuma, Dracula, maybe the Dark
Avengers, etc.

Simpsons might be a bad example it began about 23 years ago.
Most Cartoons now a days.. what you see is usually is what you are going to get .. unless it too lasts 20+ years

 

[Artistsean]

Yeah but it got much better by season 2, and then even better by season 4.
But the same can be said about any cartoon show, if it has the time the show
gets better. Watch old Family Guy versus new Family Guy.
Batman the Animated Series's animation got better once computers were used.
Home Movies, and there are others.
Southpark season 1 vs. season 2 or 3.
Thats also why I hope it lasts, because it was good but could be better.
And I don't want them to suddenly cancel it.
And I'm not talking about massive changes. Just fixes here and there
mostly the coloring. But a little more fluidity here and there.
Plus the voice acting always gets better as the show progresses, every
animated show is a good example. Spongebob, the Simpsons, Family Guy
Futurama, Home Movies, American Dad, etc.

 

[TheVileOne]

All those images and designs look good to me.

 

[Human Torch]

Overall,I enjoyed it.The designs were pretty solid.(I'd have prefered a somewhat more "sultry" Black Widow.) They seem to be trying for the "Young Justice" look.
I liked that it ties into Ultimate Spider-Man as a "shared universe".You still have Simmons as JJJ and McBride as Fury.
The only thing I'm hoping they don't do is over play the whole "these guys don't get along so well" angle.But I think the show's solid.

 

[Longshot777]

After watching this,

JL is definitely the more proffessional superheroes while the Avengers are a bunch of immature 2nd rate superheroes.

EMH is light years better written than this.

While this new series is not that bad, it is also not good either.

 

[Drakepool]

"The Avengers was never about 'dark,' and we had no interest in doing that anyway - especially after coming off Wolverine and the X-Men, a show which while we loved, had a fair amount of darkness. It's an X-Men thing. Avengers are the bright, shining heroes. They're the guys who, when they arrive, you say 'We're SAVED!' Colorful costumes, larger than life, we wanted to do something fun, a comic book brought to the screen." - Chris Yost

http://www.**************.com/fansites/TheAlexLynch/news/?a=70470

Just sayin'

 

[bigdaddy313]

Which site is that I can't go in

 

[jonathancrane]

Yeah but it got much better by season 2, and then even better by season 4.
But the same can be said about any cartoon show, if it has the time the show
gets better. Watch old Family Guy versus new Family Guy.
Batman the Animated Series's animation got better once computers were used.
Home Movies, and there are others.
Southpark season 1 vs. season 2 or 3.
Thats also why I hope it lasts, because it was good but could be better.
And I don't want them to suddenly cancel it.
And I'm not talking about massive changes. Just fixes here and there
mostly the coloring. But a little more fluidity here and there.
Plus the voice acting always gets better as the show progresses, every
animated show is a good example. Spongebob, the Simpsons, Family Guy
Futurama, Home Movies, American Dad, etc.

The switch from TAS to the New Adventures was made because of cost; hence the simpler shades and colors. The seasons before the cost-reductive measures were applied looked 10x better than the following ones. Scarecrow had a nice redesign, but, everything else looked like crap (and the Joker was perfect with the yellow demonic eyes. The black eyes in the new seasons made him look like he was out of a terrible comedy cartoon.)

 

[Lantern Venom]

After watching this,

JL is definitely the more proffessional superheroes while the Avengers are a bunch of immature 2nd rate superheroes.

EMH is light years better written than this.

While this new series is not that bad, it is also not good either.

Riiiight. So far in the New 52, we've seen Hal Jordan hit on everything that moves, Wonder Woman say she's going to cut off someone's head and kicking the crap out of Superman when he tried to stop her, and several members of the JLA ragging on Batman because he doesn't have super powers. All that's entertaining, but it hardly says "well-oiled unit".

 

[bigdaddy313]

Riiiight. So far in the New 52, we've seen Hal Jordan hit on everything that moves, Wonder Woman say she's going to cut off someone's head and kicking the crap out of Superman when he tried to stop her, and several members of the JLA ragging on Batman because he doesn't have super powers. All that's entertaining, but it hardly says "well-oiled unit".

His talking about the difference between the two team via JLU and AA

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

It would be funny if they introduced Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in a later season of the show around TA2's release date. Maybe even earlier, around DOFP's release date. Established them as members of the Avengers without mention of the X-Men. What if they even altered their origins to fall more in line with the MCU versions?

 

[Lantern Venom]

His talking about the difference between the two team via JLU and AA

The same JLU where John Stewart nearly went crazy trying to get them to work together and Batman said something like, "Call me when you have something important, not before"?

I don't think that version of the JLA was all that different from the Avengers, either.

 

[Artistsean]

The switch from TAS to the New Adventures was made because of cost; hence the simpler shades and colors. The seasons before the cost-reductive measures were applied looked 10x better than the following ones. Scarecrow had a nice redesign, but, everything else looked like crap (and the Joker was perfect with the yellow demonic eyes. The black eyes in the new seasons made him look like he was out of a terrible comedy cartoon.)

According to Bruce Timm and others who worked on the show they simplified it to make it more animatable. They liked the redesigns because it made animation more fluid.
But what I was referring to was how before computers they were using various cells and hand painted Backgrounds. At a certain point there were too many cells that clouded up the animation. They talked about how using computers allowed them more and more and more details in animation.

And with this show I am not really talking about an overhaul in design or animation, just some tweaks here and there that would occur most likely over time anyway.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

I liked it, wasn't great but it wasn't terrible.

 

[bigdaddy313]

The same JLU where John Stewart nearly went crazy trying to get them to work together and Batman said something like, "Call me when you have something important, not before"?

I don't think that version of the JLA was all that different from the Avengers, either.

That episode they where mind controlled but they still felt more mature than this show

 

[Longshot777]

Exactly

I'm more talking about "The Writing" of these shows.

JL, JLU, YJ, and all of DC Animated Features are are well written while Avengers Assemble seem to be written by HIGH SCOOL KIDS.

At least be serious as AEMH, Ultimate Avengers DTV and their live action feature film.

Avengers Assemble is very sloppy.

 

[Lantern Venom]

That episode they where mind controlled but they still felt more mature than this show

I'm not sure what you mean by "mature". The JLU always had a dysfunctional element. They fought with each other as much as their enemies. Much like the comics, they were a "get it together when it counts" group.

 

[Nathan]

I'm not sure what you mean by "mature". The JLU always had a dysfunctional element. They fought with each other as much as their enemies. Much like the comics, they were a "get it together when it counts" group.

That's a bit different though. As that one Episode of JL showed, you had 7 individuals who were highly competent on their own and worked alone for years, trying to work as a team. They still acted as if they were on their own. Best highlighted by Superman taking all of the punishment, because he knows he can take it. Which made the other team members feel like he has no trust in their abilities.

With AA though, you have a Team that apparently already worked together, and broke up because they couldn't get their act together and were overall irresponsible. Best shown in the first Episode by Thor and Hulk, who were about to duke it out in a highly populated area, for ***** and giggles.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yeah, and they hit each other on a normal basis. It's not out of the question for Hulk to flick Hawkeye away or hurl him and Black Widow across the way.

For the JL, it would be strange if Superman shoved Green Lantern out of the frame, or if Wonder Woman held Batman by his ankle out of a moving jet for s**ts and giggles.

 

[Lantern Venom]

That's a bit different though. As that one Episode of JL showed, you had 7 individuals who were highly competent on their own and worked alone for years, trying to work as a team. They still acted as if they were on their own. Best highlighted by Superman taking all of the punishment, because he knows he can take it. Which made the other team members feel like he has no trust in their abilities.

With AA though, you have a Team that apparently already worked together, and broke up because they couldn't get their act together and were overall irresponsible. Best shown in the first Episode by Thor and Hulk, who were about to duke it in a highly populated area, for ***** and giggles.

That's always the hero team template. Whether it's the JLU 'toon, the New 52 JLA, The Ultimate Avengers Animated flick (Dees amatuers, they are going to get us KEELT!"- Black Widow), the Avengers live action flick...there's a large amount of time spent in conflict of personalities. That's "mature" (at least in a cartoon sense) because individuals with super powers would likely have massive egos when it comes to problem solving.

Now there hasn't been nearly enough of AA to make a judgment on whether the storylines are intelligent or not, but having heroes all be best buddies just because they are heroes seems childish. That would have been a bad way to start and everyone would have said that Hulk and Thor were neutered.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yeah, and they hit each other on a normal basis. It's not out of the question for Hulk to flick Hawkeye away or hurl him and Black Widow across the way.

For the JL, it would be strange if Superman shoved Green Lantern out of the frame, or if Wonder Woman held Batman by his ankle out of a moving jet for s**ts and giggles.

I can't remember if it was the JLU 'toon or one of the animated movies, but I remember Batman transporting Flash before Barry knew it was safe causing Barry to throw a tantrum. They just took their shots at each other in different ways.

(Side note: The image of Wonder Woman holding Bats out of her jet just to hack him off is making he laugh uncontrollably. I'm going to have a hard time getting that out of my head over the next few days. )

 

[Nathan]

I can't remember if it was the JLU 'toon or one of the animated movies, but I remember Batman transporting Flash before Barry knew it was safe causing Barry to throw a tantrum. They just took their shots at each other in different ways.

Yeah, AA does it by causing property damage and inflicting physical injuries on each other. I don't mind my heroes goofing around, but I'd still like them to have a better sense of responsibility.