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Avengers Assemble - New Animated Series

LOL....so they aren't entirely invested in story consistencies lol. That's pretty funny though. I'm sure the average kid or teen wouldn't care or have caught that......sadly.
 
I didn't even realize this thing started. When did it make its debut? Watching right now and wow, that was the worst "opening" Ive seen on a comic animated series.
 
Just to give you an idea of the level of quality and THOUGHT put into this show, this happens in the two parter:

"in the first part, they specifically state all the satellite traces of the teleportation technology points to Antarctica. At the start of the second part, Black
Widow says Tony needs to hang on for 20 minutes so they can make it to a NATO hospital...in Reykjavik.

As in the capital of Iceland.

As in the Arctic - THE LITERAL OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ENTIRE PLANET."

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You could, however, justify it with saying that in a world where Tony Stark invents a flying indestructible suit of armored technology, Banner has turned
himself into a giant green unstoppable indestructible hulk, super aliens like Thor and Loki exist, and SHIELD has super tech, maybe they had some
boom tube jump warp drive stuff.

Then again, maybe they just weren't paying that much attention. I remember hearing complaints about the JL cartoon movie. How the plot involved
destroying all of Earth's Nukes, a very adult concept and threat that might scare kids, but then the plot was very simple for kids.

All I am saying, is that this is the only Avengers cartoon we have right now. And it will, given time, get better from what it is now. All shows do. So give
it time. The alternative is that we don't watch. It gets canceled. And then the studios loose faith in an Avengers cartoon working at all and become afraid
to invest any time, money, into it.

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Found this:
http://io9.com/avengers-assemble-is-avengers-acceptable-510020926
Avengers Assemble is Avengers, Acceptable

The good news: Marvel’s new Avengers cartoon is okay. The bad news: It’s inferior in almost every way to Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. The
ugly news: It’s probably going to be a lot more popular.
That’s definitely the most infuriating part about Avengers Assemble; watching it fail to measure up to its cartoon predecessor and knowing, deep down,
that kids are probably going to like this better. That they don’t want the highlights of the Marvel history masterfully retold for new audiences, or to see
Marvel’s vast universe of characters, many of whom are got on TV for the first time ever. Nope, they want to see the guys from the movies fighting
things, and in those terms, Avengers Assemble delivers.
The cartoon picks up soon after the events of the Avengers movie, although it posits that the team broke up because they couldn’t work together (even
though they clearly did, and saved the planet because of it). When a peeping Tony Stark sees Red Skull and a needlessly redesigned MODOK appear to
kill Captain America, Iron Man reassembles the Avengers who argue and *****, except for the one new arrival of the Falcon, who is simply thrilled to be
included.
Once they arrive at the Red Skull’s HQ, things don’t get any better, although a bunch of AIM goons and lasers pop out so at least they can fight things
while they argue. Iron Man immediately ditches his comrades to track down the Red Skull who he discovers 1) has Captain America alive and 2)
swapped minds with him, as the Skull’s body was deteriorating for some reason. Without a plan and without a leader, the Avengers manage to break a
lot of **** and punch a lot of bad guys, and even manage to defeat Skull and swap Cap’s brain back in there, but MODOK also manages to take off
Tony’s Iron Man armor and put it on Red Skull before they teleport away (the armor somehow saves Red Skull too, which seems like it would have been
a much easier plan than the mind swap).
The Avengers race back to New York and Tony’s mansion, and everybody gets settled when MODOK and Skull release the nanomachines they’ve
hidden in the Avengers' ship, which fly into everybody’s mouths and then make them fight each other. It’s just an excuse to see all of the Avengers
wailing on each other, instead of just Thor, Iron Man and Hulk, as per the movie; it’s also an excuse for the Skull and MODOK to sneak into Tony’s
mansion and blow up a large arc reactor he has down there. Tony eventually shoots all the other Avengers in the face with a “targeted EMP” laser, they
get better, the bomb goes off but somehow the arc reactor takes yet more time to blow up — enough time for Tony to have a plan, lead the team, and the
Avengers to somehow make the arc reactor shoot all of its energy into space instead of blowing up New York City.
With the mansion destroyed, Stark tells/orders everyone to stay in one giant large apartment in the Stark building, which also turns into a giant jet,
because of course it does. The Red Skull, noting the way those darned heroes joined forces, decides to join some forces of his own — he calls Attuma,
Dr. Doom, and Dracula, which is cool because 1) it seems like Assemble is going to go some places that EMH didn’t (or, more specifically, didn’t have
time for) and 2) it could mean Namor, whose appearance would go a long way in making the show seem like it’s going to actually explore the Marvel
universe, rather than just rehash the movie over and over again.
The possibility of Namor isn’t the only advantage Assemble has over Earth’s Mightiest Heroes; the character designs are legitimately great, and the
animation has also improved because of it (with the exception of a few static shots that move around the screen to simulate animation; it’s rare, but
always jarring).
But everything else? It all suffers in comparison to EMH. The voice acting, the dialogue, the plot… it’s all just not as good. The characters are mostly
shallower versions of their EMH versions; some of the voice actors remain the same, making the new ones sound incredibly off. The plotting is
especially inferior, because everything simply happens in service to the large action scenes, not the story. Why does the Red Skull wait to use the
nanomachines until the Avengers get home, rather than when he’s fighting them earlier? Why doesn’t the bomb actually blow up the arc reactor, but
cause it to blow up in a few minutes? If Tony can trace the Red Skull’s teleportation thing the first time, which can’t he do it the second or third time?
I’m not going to pass judgment too hard on the storytelling just yet, as I sincerely hope that this spectacle was merely to draw in the kids, and future
episodes will settle down a bit. But again, I’m worried that this is actually what the kids want, and Marvel is committed to giving it to them. It’s a smart
decision, and, from a fiscal viewpoint, the right decision. That, of course, doesn’t console me in the slightest.

But Namor would help.
Assorted Musings:
• Apparently Tony built the Falcon's suit. Tony tells the SHIELD recruit Sam Wilson to get in War Machine, but Sam picks the Falcon suit instead. I'm
less concerned about this change to the Falcon canon than the fact that Tony has apparently a specific armor for African-Americans.
• Do you know how many times they use the Hulk-punching-a-teammate-from-the-side-without-looking gag from the Avengers movie? I counted, and it’s
somewhere around 87 million.
• The way Assemble presents it, it appears the Avengers are all living in the apartment together in a Real World kind of way, not an Avengers mansion
come-and-go-as-they-please kind of way. If this is true, I will be so, so sad.
• The thing I miss most about Earth’s Mightiest Heroes? Ms. Marvel. And Wasp. But mostly Ms. Marvel.
• If you think this recap boils down to an old dude yelling “WAAAAAHHH GODDAMN KIDS ARE RUINING MY CARTOONS” then… actually, that’s
pretty accurate. Go with that.
 
The alternative is that we don't watch. It gets canceled. And then the studios loose faith in an Avengers cartoon working at all and become afraid
to invest any time, money, into it.

It's better to wait for quality than it is to accept below standards.
 
What I mean is that if this show is canceled that means that 2 (or if you count the older one, 3) Avengers cartoons had been canceled. Even though one was canceled by the studio so they could make one more in line with the movie, I am unsure if they would see it that way when it came time to make a new Avengers cartoon. They could just see that two were canceled, and not look for why. This could lead to the studio being afraid to spend money on any future Avengers cartoons. And could lead to there not being an Avengers cartoon for a very long time.
But if people watch it could lead to the show getting better because the studio has more faith in it. Leading to more money for production, better writing, better animation. The quality could tighten up, become sleeker, improve, over time.

Or, it could stay the same as it is now. I don't know for sure. But I am willing to give the show a chance. Plus, only one hour episode came out so far.
 
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The last great Avengers cartoon wasn't canceled because it didn't rake in the ratings or wasn't liked by fans. It was canceled because they wanted to do their own ****, that's more in line with the Movies. That's the only reason. So if this happens to get canceled because nobody watches it, then hopefully they get the message that fans don't accept every nonsense that has the Avengers name on it.

If this is successful, they won't do any of the things you said. They'll just assume the ADHD nonsense works. That's it.
 
wow, seeing all that above animation again is making me cringe...

I agree, I'd rather wait for some GOOD stuffs to come along instead of having to take the current s**t that's being served up with AA...

and who SAYS it'll get better?... are we to take that as a given?... sounds like SOMEONE is being hopeful... with the people in charge of the animated department at the moment, I have s**t confidence and zip optimism....
 
All the high and mighty sanctimonious fans thought Ultimate Spider-Man would be gone after the second season, but its already been renewed for season 3.

The chances are just as likely for Avengers Assemble to be a success as well.

The whiny internet fans that hate these shows online are in a marginal minority.
 
The alternative is that we don't watch. It gets canceled.

That sounds an awful lot like the arguments I used to read for continuing to watch Heroes. I'm not going to watch something I don't enjoy for any reason.
 
It's pretty simple. If you don't like it, don't watch it. But just because you don't watch doesn't automatically mean it will get cancelled.
 
wow, seeing all that above animation again is making me cringe...

I agree, I'd rather wait for some GOOD stuffs to come along instead of having to take the current s**t that's being served up with AA...

and who SAYS it'll get better?... are we to take that as a given?... sounds like SOMEONE is being hopeful... with the people in charge of the animated department at the moment, I have s**t confidence and zip optimism....

I have some minor problems with a couple of characters, but the show's design is more realistic than EMH. Plus it's a good starting point for new fans who were exposed to the Avengers movie. Younger fans who jumped into EMH last year might well have been confused by the happenings.

This is the animation version of Brand New Day or Flashpoint. It was bound to happen.
 
What kind of comparison is that? Here we are about to see the release of Transformers 4 directed by Michael Bay. Obviously these movies are popular and the majority of moviegoers enjoy and continue to see these movies.

Once again, the online fanboys that hate these movies are in the marginal minority.

I hate the Transformers movie and what Michael Bay has done with the property, but it doesn't change the fact that the movies are insanely popular. Kids especially love the Transformer movies and Transformers, whether you like it or not.
 
Sure I am being hopeful. but the alternative is to say it should be canceled after only 2 episodes (which were released early, probably to test the show out on audiences).
Heroes declined over time. It wasn't suddenly bad. Plus, this show only showed 2 episodes. You can't exactly judge by 2 episodes.
Its not like, with Heroes, the show was good 1 season, not so good the next, and worse the next. Thats 3 seasons to see the decline. AA has only aired 2 shows. Maybe it gets better around episode 3 or even 7. Season 1 of JL cartoon needed some work, but it got better too.
I remember when EMH came out, I wasn't sure about the designs, it didn't win me over right away. But over time it did.
When Adventure Time started the 1st episodes didn't wow me, now I love the show.
The Simpsons didn't get good until season 2, and seasons 4-9 were great.
Family Guy jokes about the poor quality of their old episodes, especially season 1.
So I will hold off, wait for at least 3 episodes, or more likely 6, before I say we would be better off if it was canceled. But if the ratings are low, and no one watches because it is bad that should help them see that audiences don't want this. but I hear the money comes from toy sales/DVDs/games/etc. So thats what you need to not buy then.
Maybe the show wont get better, I don't know. But I am willing to wait until episodes 3, 4, 5.

When do the next episodes start anyway? I know the two parter was a preview and nothing is airing for a while, but how long? Maybe they might make sweeping changes based on fan reaction.

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There's a majority of the audience who love Michael Bays style and a majority who love the ADHD style of Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble

Majority rules in their favor

For cartoons sadly this has sacrificed quality. Now we have the "man of action" team getting sloppy with story details

There no room for a "young justice" or "spectacular spider-man" or "earths mightiest heroes"

All I've got left is Tmnt and transformers prime. One is actually quite funny and another is engaging.
 
I believe that Marvel can be very successful with more mature written stories like the clone wars was. If it wasn't for Disney the show would have continued cause season 6 is done and ready. The level of quality will continue on the new show Star Wars Rebels cause it is the same crew joined with Greg Weisman and the success is going to continue.
 
There's a majority of the audience who love Michael Bays style and a majority who love the ADHD style of Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble

Majority rules in their favor

For cartoons sadly this has sacrificed quality. Now we have the "man of action" team getting sloppy with story details

There no room for a "young justice" or "spectacular spider-man" or "earths mightiest heroes"

All I've got left is Tmnt and transformers prime. One is actually quite funny and another is engaging.

You seem to have lumped modern cartoons in general into this "sacrificed quality" stereotype.

As you said, good cartoons are still on the air. In my opinion this doesnt end with the 2012 TMNT. There's also Adventure Time and Legend of Korra. And so many people thought TMNT would suck.

I, more than anyone, am upset that shows like Clone Wars, Tron: Uprising and Green Lantern were canceled recently. But I think some of the greatest cartoons have been in the last 5-10 years.
 
Continuity: I'll admit I overthought this but this kind of hurt my opinion, but honestly the show felt like it was horrible in explaining what universe/continuity it was following and as a result felt was all over the place in explanation(mainly l because of hearing multiple Jeph Loeb/Men of Action interviews of saying it's either in the same universe as Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes in an more Josh Whedon Avengers tone, same universe as Ultimate Spider-man which is apparently in the same universes as EMH despite huge differences like the age of Luke Cage who doesn't want to be called Power Man and Iron Fist, Peter Parker working for Daily Bugle which is more of a Newspaper, different Spider-man/Captain America's first meetings, among other different explanations for different interviews). Sometimes it feels like it takes places after the Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes(showing the Avengers massion and statues inside, Hawkeye leaving S.H.I.E.L.D. and joining the Avengers, Black Widow basically being a S.H.I.E.L.D. liaison to the Avengers and mad Hawkeye left S.H.I.E.L.D., Hulk's overall personality similarities, Avengers being seperate from S.H.I.E.L.D. among other minor references unlike how Ultimate Spider-man and Marvel Cinematic Universe portrays the Avengers basically being a part of/working close with S.H.I.E.L.D. but this apparently Sam Wilson first time as Falcon which is the main problem which doesn't help and especially won't help when he's getting introduced again in Captain America 2), then it feels like it suppose to be in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon universe(same voice actors and character designs and Nick Fury's Spider-man joke to Sam Wilson, pretty much same theme song, J. Jonah Jameson in basically the same role), then it tries to follow the Avengers movie(mainly through jokes and references like "I'm always angry" and same line up with addition of Falcon) which might leads some kids who only watched the movies to probably but not likely wonder and question a few things(how and when did Red Skull's return, what caused the Avengers to disband, who is M.O.D.O.K. and when did the Avengers first fight him, why did Nick fire Sam if they Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D. are so close, when did they get and start using the Avengers Mansion, etc) which ultimately didn't help it's case but then again for so did EMH for explaining the back stories for some characters so I don't really blame them but again I was overthinking and overanalyzing it. But it's the first 2 episodes so maybe they'll go into more deep explanation into this but part of me doubts so by it self: 3/10.

Animation- while it is slightly better in the design compartment, I have to agree with previous sentiment that the slow, clunky animation takes me out of the story telling. 6/10

Plot-wasn't the greatest plots and some of the scenes were confusing for me and didn't make sense(Antarctica scene like a few posters said or Red Skull hating Iron Man armor until the end of part 1) but ultimately it held up but you can really tell it was made for more of Ultimate Spider-man/Superhero Squad fans while I'm more of a fan of Spectacular Spider-man and 2003 MTV cartoon and EMH. 7/10

Dialogue-I know Jeph Loeb and Men of Action were go for something trying to " a show that has the feel and the tone and the incredible adventures" like the Avengers movie but in the case of the first 2 episodes it felt like they were bashing people over the heads things(especially with Hulk moments with him punching random characters in the face or saying "I'm always angry"). Seeing it before with the Men in Black Cartoon(I like the cartoon but still, even the 2003 cartoon didn't hit people over the head with it). While some of if it was funny and nice to see while some of the character banter was funny (particularly Hulk and Thor, Black Widow and Hawkeye, Iron Man and Captain America). 5/10

Characters- . At times it partly/barely made sense why Iron Man was leader(though this is one where I really said EMH did it better with Iron Man founding the team but Captain America adapting and eventually becoming the leader but Cap sort of refused the role) but at times I was like why isn't Captain America leading the team again especially if he and Nick were leading the team in the Avengers movie before I remember "popularity and Iron Man is popular". Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Hawkeye for me carried the episodes. Falcon was better than Spider-man and Nova on Ultimate Spider-man cartoon but at times he was just as annoying honestly. Iron Man(while the voice actor wasn't my cup of tea he was more or less tied with EMH Tony which went from trying to sound like Robert Downey Jr. To sound kind of young) , Red Skull and M.O.D.O.K. were average

Overall - to me this was basically a barely average premiere (while I'm not a big fan of Ultimate Spider-man (but my 12 year brother likes it and once got an episode confused with Spectacular Spider-man) it knows that it's trying to more or less like a comic book for mainly kids), I'll try to give it the fact that it true to follow the tone of the movie but it felt dull and unremarkable at times compared to the vibrant and action packed/connected tone of both the Avengers movie and previous Avengers cartoon which in my opinion hurt it or more than helped it in the end but it was decent and I'll give a few more episodes a chance for it to create it's voice but ultimately if I want to compare it to a Marvel show an movie, I say it's a more serious version of Superhero Squad but a childish version of the Ultimate Avengers Animated DTVs(not entirely an insult but not entirely a compliment either). 5.5-6/10.
 
Animation- while it is slightly better in the design compartment, I have to agree with previous sentiment that the slow, clunky animation takes me out of the story telling. 6/10
In animation the more complex the design the harder it is to animate, leading to clunkier animation. That is why Timm and Company changed the Batman animation style making it less detailed and more angular. And that is why cartoons are usually very simple in design. Thats why old 90s cartoons like X-Men tend to be a little clunky and choppy.
When a character has more details like more realistic muscle shapes or details on their face or costume the animation tends to slow down because an animator has to redraw every detail on every frame (24 frames = 1 second) (1800 seconds = 30 minutes) And then there are tons of characters and tons of episodes. Thats why the previous design was less detailed (but I admit I wasn't blown away by the design of EMH at first, it grew on me).
The new designs for Assemble are OK enough. Given enough time, and enough support from the studio, the animation and character designs and style will naturally get better as they get more money and the artists get a better feel for the characters in the show or think up better design ideas.
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I will miss how, on EMH, characters like the Hulk in episode 1 would be hit or blasted and go flying only to land on the ground in a crouched position as they slide back. Good animation.
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Alright, the first "episode" (meaning the first 30 minute segment) was actually fairly enjoyable I thought. Story was tolerable, humor was halfway decent, and voice acting was fine minus whoever is playing Tony... seriously - this guy isn't even trying.

But I recently watched the second half, and it lost my enthusiasm. That was the most anticlimactic ending they could have produced - there was barely a final fight. The pacing was way off and the resolution seemed super abrupt. Then the WAY that they saved day was predictable and sort of lazy (Cap, Widow, AND Hawkeye are all on crowd control? They really couldn't do anything else to help?)

Furthermore, the whole concept of conflict isn't very developed. Tony's development as a leader is nonexistent, then it's a roller coaster, then it's rocky but somewhat there. The conflict within the team amplified by those nanobots was typical and unimpressive. The most cringeworthy lines in the whole thing were exchanged during the nanobot induced team friction scene. Their break-up-then-make-up pattern got tiresome after their third time coming together. As was Hulk being the center of problems within the team - that's been a thing since the Avengers started... can't they find another source for issues within the team?

Moving on to other critiques, Tony's voice actor seemed to get even worse. Almost intolerably worse. The humor stayed about the same - I'll admit to laughing a couple of times, but the animation also stayed constant. And I hated the animation. Hulk's model is fine, but everyone else is terrible. Specifically faces are terrible. Black Widow and Falcon in particular - Their eyes are too far apart and there's something wrong with Widow's nose.

Complaining aside, I will say that it's better than Ultimate Spiderman and Teen Titans Go, however, I cannot see myself following this long term if this keeps up. But I won't give up on it just yet.
 
I watched the first 2 episodes, then I immediately rewatched the premiere of A:EMH to compare the two. Short answer: THEY DON'T

EMH had the size & scale of a summer blockbuster, the better characterization, the impetus for viewers to tune in to future episodes to see what happens next (IMO, 4 simultaneous jailbreaks is much more gripping than another potential mastervillain teamup scenario), which AA lacked in all fronts

I'm going to give it a chance to build up, but it will need alot to measure up. When will more episodes start?
 
I watched the first 2 episodes, then I immediately rewatched the premiere of A:EMH to compare the two. Short answer: THEY DON'T

EMH had the size & scale of a summer blockbuster, the better characterization, the impetus for viewers to tune in to future episodes to see what happens next (IMO, 4 simultaneous jailbreaks is much more gripping than another potential mastervillain teamup scenario), which AA lacked in all fronts

I'm going to give it a chance to build up, but it will need alot to measure up. When will more episodes start?

July 7
 

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