Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[Dark Raven]

This is also another good question. It's possible.



That becomes the million dollar question: is the sacrifice required to get it just from where it was located, or to use it/possess it? If everyone using it needs to do the sacrifice, then I see Tony being forced to sacrifice Cap. I wouldn't see Cap being willing to MAKE that type of sacrifice, but I could easily see him willing to BE the sacrifice.

Maybe Avengers 4 will also be Civil War 2. Tony and Steve will fight again, this time over who should sacrifice themselves.

 

[kpgl]

I just think they meant the pre-snap deaths. And I feel there will be some sacrifices by the current heroes to get back the new ones and that might mean there will be a case of "death for a death" which maybe what M&M want the audiences to be prepared for.

Not that it will surprise me if they were just flat out lying either. These days with so much of the BTS coverage, you gotta fib a few to keep surprises anyways.

Could it be the people in Infinity War stays dead but they are just replaced by their self in an alternate universe?

 

[RoastBeast]

Could it be the people in Infinity War stays dead but they are just replaced by their self in an alternate universe?

Maybe in an alternate verse the other half of the people vanished and they can shuffle the deck between the two.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I have a gut feeling Vision will return somehow without the stone, maybe he will be the Byrne White Vision

 

[InCali]

Well, it's just a way of talking about the emotional impact and significance.

If the theme of the story is sacrifice, and nothing is being sacrificed, or only temporarily, then how powerful or convincing is that going to end up being?

If it's just: "I will trade my life for the lives of millions, please make sure that you reset the universe properly, and bring me back." Then the impact is different.

On some level, that's because life doesn't work like that. People do make sacrifices, and they don't come back.

So if the story is trying to evoke that, or depict that type of sacrifice, then having some sort of full reset seems unlikely to me.

The 'little weight' criticism is a combination of the longstanding gripe of the MCU's dearth of character deaths, the publicised nature of upcoming sequels (notably HC2 and GotG3), and how AIW was sold as a grand finale of sorts. I think there's legitimacy to it and A4 would go a long way in addressing -- or magnifying -- this criticism.

For me it's all about the experience of watching the movie. How do I feel then? If someone gets brought back later, fine. If they don't, that's fine too and it has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the movie because I don't know what's going to happen down the line. I'm involved in the movie and don't watch some dude with gigantic biceps flying around and slamming people with a hammer, conducting lightning, and blasting people and then say "this seems fake to me because nobody died. The stakes aren't real".

 

[Flemm]

For me it's all about the experience of watching the movie. How do I feel then? If someone gets brought back later, fine. If they don't, that's fine too and it has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the movie because I don't know what's going to happen down the line. I'm involved in the movie and don't watch some dude with gigantic biceps flying around and slamming people with a hammer, conducting lightning, and blasting people and then say "this seems fake to me because nobody died. The stakes aren't real".

I don't necessarily either, but I think it's a question of what the filmmakers are trying to accomplish.

I'm not necessarily looking for one thing or the other.

 

[honestbharani]

I think there have been more than enough "meaningful" deaths within the MCU. The fake death thing is just a lazy complaint I feel for people who just react differently to these stories than the majority. It does not work for them for other reasons and they just seem to go back to the "fake death" thing as its easier to articulate than something more difficult like when some poster here was talking about the breathing and talking in space thingy.

 

[Web-Head]

Could it be the people in Infinity War stays dead but they are just replaced by their self in an alternate universe?

That's what I don't want

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No problemo.

And you aren't wrong that Thor doesn't necessarily end up gathering the heroes and Tony in particular. As I stated [BLACKOUT]given the BTS pics of an older looking Tony in A4 he may not get back to Earth for a while. I could see him elect to stay out in space to gather as much intel he could on the stones. [/BLACKOUT]

Yeah I hadn’t seen those pictures so I can see the same happening.

 

[InCali]

I don't necessarily either, but I think it's a question of what the filmmakers are trying to accomplish.

I'm not necessarily looking for one thing or the other.

I hear ya. However, I don't give 2 farts about what the filmmaker is trying accomplish. If I enjoy the movie, that's cool. I'm not going to MCU movies to see "Sophie's Choice".

 

[Flemm]

I hear ya. However, I don't give 2 farts about what the filmmaker is trying accomplish. If I enjoy the movie, that's cool. I'm not going to MCU movies to see "Sophie's Choice".

Does the type of movie matter to that, though?

I mean, the filmmakers were clearly trying to accomplish something in Jumanji, for example.

Just a different sort of thing.

It may be only one way of talking about it, and possibly not even the best one. But I think it can be a useful idea.

 

[PacificBoy]

I don't necessarily either, but I think it's a question of what the filmmakers are trying to accomplish.

I'm not necessarily looking for one thing or the other.

For me it's all about the experience of watching the movie. How do I feel then? If someone gets brought back later, fine. If they don't, that's fine too and it has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the movie because I don't know what's going to happen down the line. I'm involved in the movie and don't watch some dude with gigantic biceps flying around and slamming people with a hammer, conducting lightning, and blasting people and then say "this seems fake to me because nobody died. The stakes aren't real".

I feel similarly to Flemm. The theme very much emphasised in AIW is sacrifice, personal sacrifice, for the greater good. The movie matched those stakes by creating an involving villain in Thanos and big moments in the character deaths and setups (and payoffs) for long-running arcs, for me. Depending on how deftly A4 deals with the potential resurrections of the characters if any, in whatever capacity, it may detract from some of those big moments when I revisit the movie, but it wouldn't rob me of the enjoyment felt seeing the movie for the first time.

I hope it makes sense? I'm quite sure I'm not alone on this and there are people who feel even more strongly, but the overall reception shows that the movie is well made enough that this criticism doesn't impact it significantly. Since A4 is the true closing of the chapter rather than IW, it's probably where this particular criticism -- and its legitimacy -- comes to much sharper scrutiny.

 

[P Supreme]

I'm in the camp that everybody that died pre snap are gone [Heimdell, Loki, Vision and Gamora

Gamora being the only one that I can see them bringing back

everybody post snap will return once the infinity gauntlet is either destroyed or used after thanos is dealt with

I WOULD HATE ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF THE CHARACTERS

 

[Brutikus]

I WOULD HATE ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF THE CHARACTERS

Female Loki?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Again, I can see Vision back as white Vision given he is a robot.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Have people really been putting forth alternate universe characters showing up? Like I posted there is far more evidence to suggest some time travel shenanigans over dimension hopping.

 

[RoastBeast]

Female Loki?

It would be a way to find out who is just crushing on TH and who actually likes the randomness of a trickster god around...and it is in the canon. (They won't do it, though)

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Again, I can see Vision back as white Vision given he is a robot.

Yeah, Vis coming back to us altered seems reasonable.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It would be a way to find out who is just crushing on TH and who actually likes the randomness of a trickster god around...and it is in the canon. (They won't do it, though)

616 canon AND mythology what with the giving birth to horses and all that.

 

[RoastBeast]

Have people really been putting forth alternate universe characters showing up? Like I posted there is far more evidence to suggest some time travel shenanigans over dimension hopping.

The only things I've seen in the bts stuff is time, it looks like. (I have never seen such good spoiler control in any movie(s), ever!)

 

[squeekness]

I'm in the camp that everybody that died pre snap are gone [Heimdell, Loki, Vision and Gamora

Gamora being the only one that I can see them bringing back

everybody post snap will return once the infinity gauntlet is either destroyed or used after thanos is dealt with

I WOULD HATE ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF THE CHARACTERS

Me, too. Very much so.

Female Loki?

Oddly, she I didn't mind. So much better than Kid Loki.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Have people really been putting forth alternate universe characters showing up? Like I posted there is far more evidence to suggest some time travel shenanigans over dimension hopping.

I can see a little of both being possible. It honestly depends on how the Quantum Realm works in A&W, IMO. That's going to give us some insight on how that will all play out.

 

[honestbharani]

I think people from different times rather than different universes.. Like old IM, WW II Cap etc.

 

[RoastBeast]

I think people from different times rather than different universes.. Like old IM, WW II Cap etc.

oooooooh, that would be most interesting...

 

[InCali]

I'm in the camp that everybody that died pre snap are gone [Heimdell, Loki, Vision and Gamora

Gamora being the only one that I can see them bringing back

everybody post snap will return once the infinity gauntlet is either destroyed or used after thanos is dealt with

I WOULD HATE ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF THE CHARACTERS

I think she's certainly the most likely, but, if they bring her back, they can certainly bring back the others.

Yes, please no alternate versions. Please no....