Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[ctsketch]

Fine... they are the iNfinity Stones (tm) and their use is totally intuitive. I guess I just like more story and detail in movies and like to talk about said details.

No one said they are totally intuitive, just that it was obvious Thanos had some experience and research with them....in a show me don't tell me sense. I mean he gave the mind stone in a staff to loki and told him how to use it in the first avengers.....and implanted knowledge into Selvig's head to get him to open a portal

 

[Spider-Fan]

Who do you think told Loki what he knew about the Tesseract?

 

[fantasymoon]

I was enthralled with this movie. I gave it a 9/10. That's a first for me,but it truly was mesmerizing.

Pros

-The goddamn tone was finally right. I don't know who these directors are, but my god how I wish they directed all 18 movies.Well I've only seen 11,but I might have had some interest in all of them if I knew this was the goldmine I was going to be getting.The jokes weren't covered in to much cheese. The fate of trillions were at stake,and this movie knew this and fortunately took its subject matter seriously. It was a tragedy, and only had a smattering of natural snark and jokes made by the right people. Thank You Russo's.

-The villain was perfect. Finally. Thanos was not playing around at all,and neither were his minions. He was menacing,and the tension was sky high. Finally I actually felt a smidgen of fear for our hero's. He had a humanity to him, but was also ruthless. I love Loki as a character, but he blew as a villain. He was a damn butt monkey, and I will always hate whedon's and takia's execution of him. Makelith could have been good, and I did like what was there for him,but he barely had screentime or characterization. Ultron was a android tony stark,and the entire movie's tone treated him as such. Hela didn't get the unfortunate memo she was apparently in a comedy nor did she really have any emotional punch or real screen time with the hero. All the rest of them don't even bare mentioning. Thanos though I freaking loved him. This is what I have been waiting for.

-Loki died for real this time. Yes, I said that. I love him. He's my favorite character in the entire MCU, and hiddleston plays him brilliantly,but it was time for him to go. It was better for him to die here then to become a caricature and overstay his welcome. For the first time I felt finality to his death. It finally feels like he's not coming back. Again, it was time. I also loved that it was karmic as well. Besides the death of a fan favorite set the tone, and my god was it a tone.

-The action kept coming and coming. This movie got treated like the pinnacle of a universe. We didn't need backstories slowing us down. We already got 18 of them, and i'm glad this movie treated them as such.

-The Balls. They went there. Main characters and important side character's died. I wasn't broken up about any of them, yes even Loki, and even had strong suspicions going in that it was going to happen. However, it's having the audacity to actually do it and keep it moving, with no last minute asspulls and he's just hiding shenanigans( X-Men Days of Future Past etc), even after the credits rolled that I enjoyed. The bad guy won, and on a galactic scale, and I am most pleased.

-I like Holland's Spiderman. I have zero interest in watching yet another reboot, so this is my first time seeing him, but I enjoyed his contribution. I still have a soft spot for Tobey,but if this child has taken the mantle then he has my thumbs up.

- I'm pretty meh to Scarlet Witch as character,but I find her to be soooooo badass. I love the visual spectacle of her powers and how she uses them.I was enchanted.

I hated Doctor Strange's movie,but I love his snark and especially his magic. Loved it. I was mesmerized on how he used his powers.

-The minion with telekinesis. I absolutely loved him and his powers.

-Poor Thor his experiences have been a nightmare. He's always been my favorite avenger, because I prefer the fantasy and family dynamics of his movies,but the sheer amount of **** that has been done to him is insane. I can't think of one avenger who tops him in that. Definitely a woobie.

-Hawkeye was not in this movie. I wish widow could have joined him.

The Hulk didn't show up after that initial fight in the beginning. I always hated his character. Yes, I said that. I hate how overpowered and godmode he is.That's also why I dislike superman and other characters like him. They are immersion breaking.The tone of the movie becomes well everybody else can go home now. I'm glad he finally got a beat down. He needed it. I needed it.

-The fight scenes were pretty good. Nice visual feat of powers all around.

-We didn't stay on Earth. I do love galaxy hopping.

-CGI was on point for the most part.

-Pacing didn't feel off which surprised me.

Cons

-The heroes apparently forgot about their own powers or that they even held infinity stones,and could have used them against thanos. Yes, I know the movie would have been over quicker, but it peeved me that none of them even tried to use the one's they had. It's like the possibility of using the stones themselves never even crossed their minds. Evil wins because good is dumb indeed.

Also Loki died still being the worst sorcerer I've ever seen. I've been waiting five movies, and all I'm still getting is illusions and baby knives. He should be fighting like strange and witch,but marvel keeps saying nope for some infuriating reason. Also where are his ice powers? His jotun heritage was such a big part of his character in the first movie, and yet it's a barely acknowledged footnote afterwards. This was the time they should have made him show out power wise,but then again several people conveniently forgot they had powers in this movie.

I unfortunately know most of these deaths aren't gong to stick. The time,soul,and reality stones are in play,and thus I am not naive.I loathe that all consequences and emotional impact will be gone. That's why I hate time traveling, and muti/parallel universes being a part of any story.

-Thor was not as emotional as he should have been considering all that had happened to him.

-People knowing plot points they shouldn't have,and also some points being swept aside.This was not egregious enough to stop my enjoyment,but it was done to much for me not to notice.

-While I was in love with the overall tone of the movie there were a couple of jokes and romance scenes that I think went on just a smidge to long.

 

[spider-neil]

I really hope the Blu-Ray editions, covers, features and possible release date are revealed soon.

Perhaps maybe when the film hits $2 billion?

I bet this movie looks sensational in 4k.
It's infuriating that Disney doesn't allow Apple to sell Marvel movies in 4k on Itunes.

 

[Spidey17]

maybe youll get the extended reel with the destruction of Xandar. A friend of mine told me Thanos chokes out Glen Glose just like he did Loki.

t:

 

[Spidey17]

I was enthralled with this movie. I gave it a 9/10. That's a first for me,but it truly was mesmerizing.

Pros

-The goddamn tone was finally right. I don't know who these directors are, but my god how I wish they directed all 18 movies.Well I've only seen 11,but I might have had some interest in all of them if I knew this was the goldmine I was going to be getting.The jokes weren't covered in to much cheese. The fate of trillions were at stake,and this movie knew this and fortunately took its subject matter seriously. It was a tragedy, and only had a smattering of natural snark and jokes made by the right people. Thank You Russo's.

-The villain was perfect. Finally. Thanos was not playing around at all,and neither were his minions. He was menacing,and the tension was sky high. Finally I actually felt a smidgen of fear for our hero's. He had a humanity to him, but was also ruthless. I love Loki as a character, but he blew as a villain. He was a damn butt monkey, and I will always hate whedon's and takia's execution of him. Makelith could have been good, and I did like what was there for him,but he barely had screentime or characterization. Ultron was a android tony stark,and the entire movie's tone treated him as such. Hela didn't get the unfortunate memo she was apparently in a comedy nor did she really have any emotional punch or real screen time with the hero. All the rest of them don't even bare mentioning. Thanos though I freaking loved him. This is what I have been waiting for.

-Loki died for real this time. Yes, I said that. I love him. He's my favorite character in the entire MCU, and hiddleston plays him brilliantly,but it was time for him to go. It was better for him to die here then to become a caricature and overstay his welcome. For the first time I felt finality to his death. It's something I didn't feel in the dark world. It finally feels like he's not coming back. Again, it was time. I also loved that it was karmic as well. Besides the death of a fan favorite set the tone, and my god was it a tone.

-The action kept coming and coming. This movie got treated like the pinnacle of a universe. We didn't need backstories slowing us down. We already got 18 of them, and i'm glad this movie treated them as such.

-The Balls. They went there. Main characters and important side character's died. I wasn't broken up about any of them, yes even Loki, and even had strong suspicions going in that it was going to happen. However, it's having the audacity to actually do it and keep it moving, with no last minute asspulls and he's just hiding shenanigans( X-Men Days of Future Past etc), even after the credits rolled that I enjoyed. The bad guy won, and on a galactic scale, and I am most pleased.

-I like Holland's Spiderman. I have zero interest in watching yet another reboot, so this is my first time seeing him, but I enjoyed his contribution. I still have a soft spot for Tobey,but if this child has taken the mantle then he has my thumbs up.

- I'm pretty meh to Scarlet Witch as character,but I find her to be soooooo badass. I love the visual spectacle of her powers and how she uses them.I was enchanted.

I hated Doctor Strange's movie,but I love his snark and especially his magic. Loved it. I was mesmerized on how he used his powers.

-The minion with telekinesis. I absolutely loved him and his powers.

-Poor Thor his experiences have been a nightmare. He's always been my favorite avenger, because I prefer the fantasy and family dynamics of his movies,but the sheer amount of **** that has been done to him is insane. I can't think of one avenger who tops him in that. Definitely a woobie.

-Hawkeye was not in this movie. I wish widow could have joined him.

The Hulk didn't show up after that initial fight in the beginning. I always hated his character. Yes, I said that. I hate how overpowered and godmode he is.That's also why I dislike superman and other characters like him. They are immersion breaking.The tone of the movie becomes well everybody else can go home now. I'm glad he finally got a beat down. He needed it. I needed it.

-The fight scenes were pretty good. Nice visual feat of powers all around.

-We didn't stay on Earth. I do love galaxy hopping.

-CGI was on point for the most part.

-Pacing didn't feel off which surprised me.

Cons

-The heroes apparently forgot about their own powers or that they even held infinity stones,and could have used them against thanos. Yes, I know the movie would have been over quicker, but it peeved me that none of them even tried to use the one's they had. It's like the possibility of using the stones themselves never even crossed their minds. Evil wins because good is dumb indeed.

Also Loki died still being the worst sorcerer I've ever seen. I've been waiting five movies, and all I'm still getting is illusions and baby knives. He should be fighting like strange and witch,but marvel keeps saying nope for some infuriating reason. Also where are his ice powers? His jotun heritage was such a big part of his character in the first movie, and yet it's a barely acknowledged footnote afterwards. This was the time they should have made him show out power wise,but then again several people conveniently forgot they had powers in this movie.

I unfortunately know most of these deaths aren't gong to stick. The time,soul,and reality stones are in play,and thus I am not naive.I loathe that all consequences and emotional impact will be gone. That's why I hate time traveling, and muti/parallel universes being a part of any story.

-Thor was not as emotional as he should have been considering all that had happened to him.

-People knowing plot points they shouldn't have,and also some points being swept aside.This was not egregious enough to stop my enjoyment,but it was done to much for me not to notice.

-While I was in love with the overall tone of the movie there were a couple of jokes and romance scenes that I think went on just a smidge to long.

Ebony Maw made me want to see Jean in the MCU.

I also thought it was super wired to see Stranger not to use the time stone. I know Thanos had to win, but the writing probably could've been better.

I would love an extended cut of this movie one day.

 

[javonstokess]

Cons

-The heroes apparently forgot about their own powers or that they even held infinity stones,and could have used them against thanos. Yes, I know the movie would have been over quicker, but it peeved me that none of them even tried to use the one's they had. It's like the possibility of using the stones themselves never even crossed their minds. Evil wins because good is dumb indeed.

Also Loki died still being the worst sorcerer I've ever seen. I've been waiting five movies, and all I'm still getting is illusions and baby knives. He should be fighting like strange and witch, but marvel keeps saying nope for some infuriating reason. Also where are his ice powers? His jotun heritage was such a big part of his character in the first movie, and yet it's a barely acknowledged footnote afterwards. This was the time they should have made him show out power wise,but then again several people conveniently forgot they had powers in this movie.

I unfortunately know most of these deaths aren't gong to stick. The time, soul, and reality stones are in play, and thus I am not naive.I loathe that all consequences and emotional impact will be gone. That's why I hate time traveling, and muti/parallel universes being a part of any story.

-Thor was not as emotional as he should have been considering all that had happened to him.

-People knowing plot points they shouldn't have, and also some points being swept aside.This was not egregious enough to stop my enjoyment, but it was done to much for me not to notice.

-While I was in love with the overall tone of the movie there were a couple of jokes and romance scenes that I think went on just a smidge to long.

Okay...

-Dr. Strange didn't use the Time Stone because he clearly learned his lesson from the first Dr. Strange movie which entire point was "DON'T MESS WITH TIME". Vision didn't get use his stone cause he was literally stabbed repeatedly the whole movie. Plus, you don't want to send the guy out there who has what the villain wants into battle.

-Loki's death was pretty quick, but let's be honest here...he was dead meat regardless.

-Thor literally cried in the movie, I'm not sure how much more emotion you want from him. He spend the entire movie focused on getting revenge on Thanos.

-I don't understand "people knowing things that shouldn't have known". You lost me there.

 

[javonstokess]

I can't believe you guys were still debating about "Why didn't they show how/why Thanos knew how to use the stones."

Weird.

 

[javonstokess]

Holding an Infinity Stone and wielding it's abilities are two separate things.

Nowhere in the movie does it explain how Thanos comes to know of the latter - whether other books exist or not. It's just another element that is left out because of the size/scope of the film. It forces you to accept "oh he must already know somehow."

For other movies that kind of thing would get taken to task, but this one gets a pass because of the size/scope that forced omissions of many details that may have more effectively fleshed it out.

The problem with your statement is you pretty much ignore my point that usage and knowledge of the stones has clearly been documented on Earth. If Strange can read a book and expertly use the Time Stone, you infer that Thanos can find his own source of knowledge regarding the rest. Also, like I said before, Thanos ALREADY HAD AN INFINITY STONE and his lackey said OUT LOUD that they give Loki the knowledge on how to use it.

I mean, at some point you have to use your own inference based on the knowledge provided to you:
-Thanos already had an infinity stone
-He had people out looking for the others
-There is documentation on the stones existence and how to use it.
-He's one of the few people, on screen, shown to be able to hold a stone in their hands
-He already said he dedicated his life to gaining/using the stones.

I know we're all fans and with that comes a certain amount of curiosity about the minutia of this stuff, but the writers have giving you more than enough info that backs up that Thanos knows what he's doing.

 

[Silvermoon]

Okay...

-Dr. Strange didn't use the Time Stone because he clearly learned his lesson from the first Dr. Strange movie which entire point was "DON'T MESS WITH TIME". Vision didn't get use his stone cause he was literally stabbed repeatedly the whole movie. Plus, you don't want to send the guy out there who has what the villain wants into battle.

Just to add a bit in regards to this (if you don't mind )... with Strange not only did he learn *don't mess with time*, he also learned that using the time stone isn't going to be effective against everyone (Kaecilius (sp?) and his goons were able to free themselves from being affected while Strange was reversing time in Hong Kong) - and, especially in the fight on Titan, Thanos is a guy that already has 4 of the 6 stones. The time stone probably wouldn't affect him much at that point (not to mention, Strange by that point had already looked through the 14 million+ possibilities, I imagine many of those failed ones included him trying the time stone against Thanos).

As for Vision, as I recall (though admit I've only seen the movie once) when the Black Order first came for him (in Scotland), he *did* try to use the stone... and it didn't work. Corvus was able to block it/shatter (?) the beam.

 

[Iceman]

I bet this movie looks sensational in 4k.
It's infuriating that Disney doesn't allow Apple to sell Marvel movies in 4k on Itunes.

Cannot wait to get it. Ragnarok, BP and IW will all look great and I love all 3 films.

 

[m2k]

Ebony Maw made me want to see Jean in the MCU.

I also thought it was super wired to see Stranger not to use the time stone. I know Thanos had to win, but the writing probably could've been better.

I would love an extended cut of this movie one day.

I don't think a time loop would have been effective in this scenario cuz Thanos ' intent is drastically different from Dormammu, which was to kill without hesitancy. I think Strange realizes this upon meeting Thanos coming with a calm demeanor that he's purely after the stone, not necessarily kill anybody at that moment.

Time freeze.. Not sure if objects other than stone bearer can be moved once in frozen state as it wasn't shown in the Dr Strange movie. Reversal of time after failure of getting glove off?. Maybe. But that's opening a whole new can of worms as events are not set in stone I don't think. Maybe he didn't want to risk this possibility cuz no lives were lost yet at that point and wanted to carry the events through. By which time, he may have come to a realization that this was in fact the exact scenario that needed to be played out to ensure they have the possibility of being victorious.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Man it's just your opinion man. I, and certainly most of us sane people don't need a 2 and a half hour movie about an alien like Thanos learning how to use the goddamn alien stones. This isn't just nit picking, this is about finding some stupid reason to hate the movie.

The only thing "stupid" is your response to me. I never uttered a word about needing 2.5 hours explain how he learned to use the stones.

Man some of you guys can't handle any criticisms of this film, even tiny nitpicks.

 

[Water Chief]

I don't think a time loop would have been effective in this scenario cuz Thanos ' intent is drastically different from Dormammu, which was to kill without hesitancy. I think Strange realizes this upon meeting Thanos coming with a calm demeanor that he's purely after the stone, not necessarily kill anybody at that moment.

Time freeze.. Not sure if objects other than stone bearer can be moved once in frozen state as it wasn't shown in the Dr Strange movie. Reversal of time after failure of getting glove off?. Maybe. But that's opening a whole new can of worms as events are not set in stone I don't think. Maybe he didn't want to risk this possibility cuz no lives were lost yet at that point and wanted to carry the events through. By which time, he may have come to a realization that this was in fact the exact scenario that needed to be played out to ensure they have the possibility of being victorious.

Yeah I time loop definitely would not have worked because unlike Dormammu everyone else has perception bound to time, so it would be like nothing at all happened. For all we know had Strange been using the timestone he could have been in the timeloop during the fight with Thanos for 2000 trillion years straight, but to ANYONE else it would be as if nothing had ever happened. Like heck think about in real life if it was possible for all of time to stop for like 4000 years, we would not know it happened because we need time to perceive. Just my 2 cents.

Oh but I do think it would have been cool to see even more powers with the time stone like superspeed from Strange! Think that would have been badass! But I feel like if they were to showcase Strange use like a time stop it could work only if they also showed some of the more powerful abilities of the other stones. Like Maybe Strange uses the time stone to stop time but Thanos uses the space stone to make it impossible to pull the gauntlet away from him. Or Thanos uses the Powerstone to be indestructible to any superspeed punches from Strange's Timestone. So it would have been possible I guess, but they would have had to showcase a whole bunch more bizarre powers of the stone in order to show why the timestone alone isn't overpowered. Hey they could still do this in part II though!

 

[markjoedelonge]

Just to add a bit in regards to this (if you don't mind )... with Strange not only did he learn *don't mess with time*, he also learned that using the time stone isn't going to be effective against everyone (Kaecilius (sp?) and his goons were able to free themselves from being affected while Strange was reversing time in Hong Kong) - and, especially in the fight on Titan, Thanos is a guy that already has 4 of the 6 stones. The time stone probably wouldn't affect him much at that point (not to mention, Strange by that point had already looked through the 14 million+ possibilities, I imagine many of those failed ones included him trying the time stone against Thanos).

As for Vision, as I recall (though admit I've only seen the movie once) when the Black Order first came for him (in Scotland), he *did* try to use the stone... and it didn't work. Corvus was able to block it/shatter (?) the beam.

Hmmm. I always thought Strange didn't want to use the Time Stone because he didn't want Thanos to know the stone on his neck was a fake, and because he didn't want to risk exposing it and letting Thanos know where it was.

 

[Voltron]

I cannot believe Cap, Falcon, & BW were able to defeat 2 Black Orders, but super powered Wanda and Vision couldn't in Scotland? Then Wanda proceeded to kick ass in Wakanda? The writings messed up in that regard because Wanda can easily defeat Falcon & BW.

 

[honestbharani]

Its already been addressed. Wanda was taking care of them just fine, it was just that she was also trying to protect the injured Vision and Vision was stabbed from behind with an alien blade that disabled most of his powers. Cap's team had the jump on these 2 just like those 2 had the jump on Vision and Wanda and BW was able to injure Corvus with Proxima's spear and then they needed all 3 to take on Proxima.

 

[WitcherGeralt]

Wanda was doing just fine against Proxima. In fact, she threw Proxima away like she was nothing to go save Vision.

 

[Iceman]

If Vision hadn't been stabbed and injured with his phasing offline right at the beginning of that scene I think the pair of them would have easily taken out PM & CG given how SW did alone against them while trying to keep Vision safe.

 

[Guard82]

I liked the fact that Vision didn't go down easily without putting up a good fight. Not only were his friends fighting to protect him, but Vision himself also managed to hold his own even though he was weakened at times. Corvus Glaive tried to kill Vision several times in the movie, but never succeeded. Instead, Vision killed Glaive in the end by stabbing him through the chest when Glaive was attacking Wanda. It took nothing less than Thanos himself to finally take down Vision.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Cap saved Vision from Glaive. Glaive was attacking Cap when Vision killed him.

 

[Armoredbat67]

Hmmm. I always thought Strange didn't want to use the Time Stone because he didn't want Thanos to know the stone on his neck was a fake, and because he didn't want to risk exposing it and letting Thanos know where it was.

Okay okay quick question. Why would Doctor Strange not think to use the stone in the first place? Or what's the whole purpose of hiding the stone, really, if he's eventually going to hand it over? I would think Strange would have the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting, you know?

 

[Mr Rogers]

Can someone explain to me how Fury, of all people, didn't know about the attacks all this time right up until the snap?

How is it possible no one at headquarters(or Cap, Widow, Rhodes etc) contacted him?

Hell, weren't he and Hill IN NYC in that scene? And they weren't aware of the huge fight that happened earlier at the Sanctorum?

 

[Solaire]

Still trying to find the perfect podcast but still get disappointed. Was listening to one and the guy is talking about Dr Strange’s scars appearing when he gave Thanos the time stone because they weren’t there before. That’s almost as bad a previous one I listened to mentioning M’Baku then wondering why W’Kabi wasn’t there like they totally forgot Black Panther. Think the worst was when someone said Strange doing the multiple men thing was Hindu cultural appropriation.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Okay okay quick question. Why would Doctor Strange not think to use the stone in the first place? Or what's the whole purpose of hiding the stone, really, if he's eventually going to hand it over? I would think Strange would have the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting, you know?

Guess it's because he saw it being used in some of the 14, 000, 605 outcomes and it failed each time it was used. I actually think that's the beauty of the Avengers losing being the only way they'll win. It effectively counters any "Oh why didn't they do this? Why didn't they do that?" arguments. It could be chalked up to your proposed solution being one of the outcomes that didn't result in their eventual victory.