Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[honestbharani]

Can someone explain to me how Fury, of all people, didn't know about the attacks all this time right up until the snap?

How is it possible no one at headquarters(or Cap, Widow, Rhodes etc) contacted him?

Hell, weren't he and Hill IN NYC in that scene? And they weren't aware of the huge fight that happened earlier at the Sanctorum?

I think it was DC where the PC scenes were set.

 

[C. Lee]

Okay okay quick question. Why would Doctor Strange not think to use the stone in the first place? Or what's the whole purpose of hiding the stone, really, if he's eventually going to hand it over? I would think Strange would have the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting, you know?

He did use it....he used it FOURTEEN MILLION, SIX HUNDRED, and FIVE times to explore that many different futures from that many different variations of attacks on Thanos....and he said he found only ONE that succeeded in defeating him. So.....he looked into 14,000,605 futures...saw only 1 thing that resulted in Thanos's defeat...and acted in a way that set that plan in motion. Sounds like he had the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting to me.

 

[RoastBeast]

He did use it....he used it FOURTEEN MILLION, SIX HUNDRED, and FIVE times to explore that many different futures from that many different variations of attacks on Thanos....and he said he found only ONE that succeeded in defeating him. So.....he looked into 14,000,605 futures...saw only 1 thing that resulted in Thanos's defeat...and acted in a way that set that plan in motion. Sounds like he had the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting to me.

hear hear! He and those 'in' on the fix did their job, no more need for the stone, he sacrificed his queen to save the king... endgame.

 

[Tony Stark]

He did use it....he used it FOURTEEN MILLION, SIX HUNDRED, and FIVE times to explore that many different futures from that many different variations of attacks on Thanos....and he said he found only ONE that succeeded in defeating him. So.....he looked into 14,000,605 futures...saw only 1 thing that resulted in Thanos's defeat...and acted in a way that set that plan in motion. Sounds like he had the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting to me.

Yeah it's pretty much spelled out in what he says to Tony, "there was no other way".

 

[Flemm]

Can someone explain to me how Fury, of all people, didn't know about the attacks all this time right up until the snap?

How is it possible no one at headquarters(or Cap, Widow, Rhodes etc) contacted him?

Hell, weren't he and Hill IN NYC in that scene? And they weren't aware of the huge fight that happened earlier at the Sanctorum?

Well, Fury and Hill have been operating underground, essentially, since Winter Soldier, right?

Shield was compromised. It's not like the first Avengers movie, where Fury and Hill would have been the first to know.

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but it felt to me like information was getting to them slowly at least partially for that reason. They are keeping an eye on things as best they can, but they are not on the front lines anymore.

 

[spider-neil]

He did use it....he used it FOURTEEN MILLION, SIX HUNDRED, and FIVE times to explore that many different futures from that many different variations of attacks on Thanos....and he said he found only ONE that succeeded in defeating him. So.....he looked into 14,000,605 futures...saw only 1 thing that resulted in Thanos's defeat...and acted in a way that set that plan in motion. Sounds like he had the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting to me.

Yep. That was my take away as well. You think Doctor Stange couldn't have stopped Starlord hitting Thanos with a hand gesture? That's how it HAD to happen.

 

[nickelette424]

I think it was DC where the PC scenes were set.

It was downtown Atlanta. They didn't remove the landmarks like the Rialto to make it seems like some other city. Not that anyone who hasn't been there would really know.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yep. That was my take away as well. You think could have stopped Starlord hitting Thanos with a hand gesture? That's how it HAD to happen.

Agreed. And in regards to the Peter hitting Thanos thing, I think people are forgetting that Thanos easily beat the Hulk with only the power stone, and we're not sure if he ever used it. It's very possible, I'd say even likely, that had they gotten the guantlet off, he still would have beaten them and taken it back.

 

[honestbharani]

It was downtown Atlanta. They didn't remove the landmarks like the Rialto to make it seems like some other city. Not that anyone who hasn't been there would really know.

oh.. that's a bit lazy. Guess it does show it was shot or at least added later in the game. Maybe they had other PC scenes in mind but then had to use this shot finally.

 

[spider-neil]

Agreed. And in regards to the Peter hitting Thanos thing, I think people are forgetting that Thanos easily beat the Hulk with only the power stone, and we're not sure if he ever used it. It's very possible, I'd say even likely, that had they gotten the guantlet off, he still would have beaten them and taken it back.

Thanos beat Spider-Man, Iron Man, Doc Stange and the Guardians without his gauntlet? No chance.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Thanos beat Spider-Man, Iron Man, Doc Stange and the Guardians without his gauntlet? No chance.

It's perfectly possible. Dude owned the Hulk. And no one there other than Strange and possibly Stark could do anything to slow Hulk down.

And given that Strange saw 14 million futures, odds are that did happen.

 

[spider-neil]

It's perfectly possible. Dude owned the Hulk. And no one there other than Strange and possibly Stark could do anything to slow Hulk down.

And given that Strange saw 14 million futures, odds are that did happen.

Stange could open a wormhole and literally drop Thanos on the other side of the galaxy and without the gauntlet (and by extension the space stone) it would take Thanos an eternity to get back. The problem is Thanos is immortal and so would be someone else's problem in centuries.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Stange could open a wormhole and literally drop Thanos on the other side of the galaxy and without the gauntlet (and by extension the space stone) it would take Thanos an eternity to get back. The problem is Thanos is immortal and so would be someone else's problem in centuries.

Assuming he has time to do so. It is possible in all 14million futures they never got the guantlet off Thanos, but it's probably likely they did and he still beat them. Thanos probably wouldn't fall for the wormhole trick as easily as his lacky did either.

 

[spider-neil]

Assuming he has time to do so. It is possible in all 14million futures they never got the guantlet off Thanos, but it's probably likely they did and he still beat them. Thanos probably wouldn't fall for the wormhole trick as easily as his lacky did either.

Strange would have looked into the future and saw that even taking the gauntlet off Thanos, Thanos would end up with all the gems eventually even if it meant out living the heroes.

 

[MrWayne]

He did use it....he used it FOURTEEN MILLION, SIX HUNDRED, and FIVE times to explore that many different futures from that many different variations of attacks on Thanos....and he said he found only ONE that succeeded in defeating him. So.....he looked into 14,000,605 futures...saw only 1 thing that resulted in Thanos's defeat...and acted in a way that set that plan in motion. Sounds like he had the brains to at least use it to some extent before forfeiting to me.

Since Strange was the only one aware of that 1 win scenario do the surviving heroes need to be informed of what NOW needs to happen for them to ultimately win or is everything now a ripple and ramification of the Titan battle and now things are well on course for (as Mr Smith would say) the inevitable.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Strange would have looked into the future and saw that even taking the gauntlet off Thanos, Thanos would end up with all the gems eventually even if it meant out living the heroes.

This is certainly possible too. But I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Thanos still could have beaten all the heroes present.

 

[spider-neil]

Since Strange was the only one aware of that 1 win scenario do the surviving heroes need to be informed of what NOW needs to happen for them to ultimately win or is everything now a ripple and ramification of the Titan battle and now things are well on course for (as Mr Smith would say) the inevitable.

I took it as the only instance they win, Tony is alive and is pivotal to defeating Thanos once and for all.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I took it as the only instance they win, Tony is alive and is pivotal to defeating Thanos once and for all.

That's how I took it, as well. Tony was key to Thanos' defeat in the one victorious outcome.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Back from my 8th viewing.

That look Strange gives Tony before he says "One...." (meaning there's only 1 way they will win) does not bode well for Tony....

Can never not grin foolishly when Cap shows up and when Thor shows up.

The score is soooooo good. Silvestri did an amazing job. He also used the Avengers theme when each of the big 3 had their moments. When Stark suited up, when Cap showed up, and when Thor showed up. And also when Black Widow saved Wanda in Wakanda. Very cool.

I loved how the relationship between Thanos and Gamora was not black and white, that she hates him just because. They actually have a very troubled relationship and I love the little hints in the movie that there might be love beneath the hate Gamora feels for him. Things like Thanos instinctively raising his hand to protect Gamora when Red Skull shows up, or Gamora sobbing when she realises she "killed" her father in Knowhere.

Overall, 8 viewings cement this movie as my favourite CBM. It really is the MCU's Empire Strikes Back IMO. The way the Avengers stand around helplessly in their last scene is haunting, and Cap's "Oh God..." strikes the final blow. An amazing film.

A minor complaint. I wish the MCU would use deeper, richer colours in their movies. As it is, I find a lot of the colour in their films rather washed out, especially in the Phase 3 films.

 

[shadowboxxx]

Since Strange was the only one aware of that 1 win scenario do the surviving heroes need to be informed of what NOW needs to happen for them to ultimately win or is everything now a ripple and ramification of the Titan battle and now things are well on course for (as Mr Smith would say) the inevitable.

I think its implied that Strange told Tony what that "one and only way" was. Or at least he told him the part he needed to know. Otherwise how could they ever hope to win?

 

[Iceman]

Since Strange was the only one aware of that 1 win scenario do the surviving heroes need to be informed of what NOW needs to happen for them to ultimately win or is everything now a ripple and ramification of the Titan battle and now things are well on course for (as Mr Smith would say) the inevitable.

I think the pieces are now setup in the way they were in that one positive outcome but things could still go either way from that base. But without getting to this stage as it now is the path would definitely led to failure according to what he saw.

 

[Relugus]

Hmmm. I always thought Strange didn't want to use the Time Stone because he didn't want Thanos to know the stone on his neck was a fake, and because he didn't want to risk exposing it and letting Thanos know where it was.

I don't think the mind stone is all that powerful, given how ineffectual its energy beam is, the fact most of Vision's power being due to his Vibranium (the reason he can phase is Vibranium versatility) body (which Corvus damaged) I incline to the view that Wanda must be channeling Chaos Magic as the engine of her powers, which the powers the mind stone gave her enable her to convert. It stands to reason a stronger external power source would be needed to destroy the stone otherwise Vision could simply destroy himself by inverting his energy beam.

Why did the stone get bigger in the gauntlet? Because its dependent on the other stones.

When/if (she's not Spiderman or Panther) she comes back I think she will lose her connection to the mind stone as well as Vision losing his emotions.

Worth noting that Disassembled was shown in the Infinity War preview trailer from last year. In that Red Skull appears so maybe he shows up inside Soul World as well possibly.

 

[Relugus]

I think the pieces are now setup in the way they were in that one positive outcome but things could still go either way from that base. But without getting to this stage as it now is the path would definitely led to failure according to what he saw.

What if Wanda is told by someone that Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone as an act of treachery?

 

[Spider-Fan]

We may have a synopsis for Avengers 4:

“A culmination of 22 interconnected films the fourth installment of the Avengers saga will draw audiences to witness the turning point of this epic journey. Our beloved heroes will truly understand how fragile this reality is and the sacrifices that must be made to uphold it.”

https://heroichollywood.com/first-avengers-4-synopsis/

 

[spider-neil]

We may have a synopsis for Avengers 4:



https://heroichollywood.com/first-avengers-4-synopsis/

It's no coincidence that all the OG Avengers survived.
I'm telling you the title of the new Avengers will be Avengers: Sacrifice
Because that is exactly what is going to have to happen to bring the new heroes back.