Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[Spider-Aziz]

I would still like to think of this movie as a story of Thanos, where the title team are his antagonists.

 

[Web-Head]

This post really relates to Spider-Man Homecoming 2, but I can't post it in a Spider-Man thread without being able to talk about things openly because of Infinity War spoilers.

Are Marvel going to film Homecoming 2 in secret? It's scheduled for next year after Avengers 4.

Because Spider-Man died at the end of IW when he disintegrated with half the universe.

If they wanted to make that release date of next year, wouldn't they need to start filming now, and even making cast announcements?

But if they have to shoot on location, it's near impossible to film in secret because there will be spy shots that someone will take.

If Marvel want to maintain the mystery of the cliffhanger which would only be resolved in Avengers 4, then they can't really be seen to be filming. They can't even really make any announcements either.

If they do, it will ruin the illusion of Spider-Man's death. Yes, we all know he is coming back, but wouldn't it reduce the impact when we see all these set photos and casting announcements? Also, maybe not everyone in the general audience knows there's a Homecoming sequel coming either.

What are Marvel going to do? What do people think?

Problem is that Sony still handles the marketing so we'll probably see a trailer for the sequel before A4 and see Spider-Man alive and well

 

[Web-Head]

For those interested in Screen time, here is IMDBs breakdown of the character screen time in A:IW. I don't think their screen time listings are exactly 100% accurate, as other breakdowns for TA & AoU conflict with theirs...but this is the only such breakdown I can find currently (and it does look at least in the right ball park). Also, it looks like it is rounded to nearest 15secs interval:

Thanos <29>
Gamora <19:30>
Tony Stark / Iron Man <18>
Thor <14:30>
Dr. Stephen Strange <11:30>
Peter Quill / Star-Lord <10:15>
Vision <9:45>
Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch <9>
Dr. Bruce Banner / The Hulk <8:45>
Peter Parker / Spider-Man <7:30>
Steve Rogers <6:45>
Rocket <6>
Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow <5>
Drax <4:45>
Mantis <4:45>
Ebony Maw <4>
Proxima Midnight <3:45>
Cull Obsidian <3:45>
Corvus Glaive <3:30>
King T'Challa / Black Panther <3:30>
Groot II <3:15>
Nebula <3:15>
Okoye <3:15>
Loki <3:15>
Col. James "Rhodey" Rhodes / War Machine <3>
Eitri <2:45>
Wong <2:45>
Sam Wilson / Falcon <2:15>
James "Bucky" Barnes / White Wolf <2>
Pepper Potts <1:30>
The Stonekeeper <1:30>
Princess Shuri <1>
M'Baku <1>
Secretary Thaddeus Ross <1>
Nick Fury <1>
Maria Hill <:45>
Heimdall <:45>
Taneleer Tivan / The Collector <:45>
Ned Leeds <:15>

Seemed like Maw and Strange were in it more

 

[javonstokess]

As a general comment on film, some of us have a lot of loss and sacrifice in real life and go to the movies for something that's not that. I do resent the comments from the writers that imply they think they need to give us life lessons of some sort. Entertain me, you're not my therapist, thanks anyway.

With all due respect, you probably should modify the reasons why you go to the movies.

Movies are stories like any other and they aren't necessarily supposed to leave us in a "good place". If you were entertained, it did it's job.

 

[javonstokess]

One amusing thing to me is that, by Tony mentoring Peter, they are almost passing the torch in the area of quips, wisecracks, and snappy dialogue.

But Spidey was originally known for that. I even remember some veteran people working in comics who stubbornly insisted that, while RDJ was fantastic, "Iron Man is not Spider-Man."

LoL!

Iron Man pre-RDJ was almost a bore. IMO, RDJ actually prompted comic writers to give him a better personality.

 

[javonstokess]

Nothing is more annoying than fans arguing about the humor in Marvel movies.

 

[Flemm]

Iron Man pre-RDJ was almost a bore. IMO, RDJ actually prompted comic writers to give him a better personality.

In general, yeah, but there were some people who resisted it a little, even if only by saying, "I don't care what anyone says..." or... "I'm in the minority, but..."

Usually it had to do with the quips and verbal barbs not really being Tony's specialty in the comics. That adds another layer to Peter being Tony's protegee, imho. No one was expecting that this could happen on the big screen, at the time.

Tony Stark in the comics had a lot of the same basic elements that we see in the RDJ version, but the character lacked a certain spark overall. Something vital that the actor provided.

Once Iron Man came out, it seemed obvious that this character, based around cool armor, gadgets, technological genius, and being a playboy, could work for a mainstream audience. Sometimes it just takes the right adaptation, I guess. Or somebody believing in the character.

 

[P Supreme]

Nothing is more annoying than fans arguing about the humor in Marvel movies.

agreed I enjoy the humor only time it bothered me was in AOU where it went too far

 

[Dark Raven]

Iron Man pre-RDJ was almost a bore. IMO, RDJ actually prompted comic writers to give him a better personality.

Well the David Michellinie/ Bob Layton Iron Man was interesting. They took a character who was considered more boring in the 1970s and turned him into a far more interesting character and top selling book. Most of the classic stories come from their run. All the whole glamour, jet setting and playboy lifestyle also come from them.

They were the ones who did the Demon in a Bottle and Armor Wars stories.

They also created many classic characters that we see even in the movies today (Rhodey/ War Machine, Scott Lang/ Ant-Man, the Ghost, etc). They're also the ones who started giving Iron Man special suits for different situations.

The only thing that was different was that Stark wasn't a quipper and smart ass, because his character was already established in one way at the time, and they couldn't just suddenly give him an entire personality transplant.

It's other writers after Michellinie and Layton who sometimes made him far too serious and also ended up with him becoming a despised character who was also always getting drunk. Michellinie and Layton never intended for him to be a permanent alcoholic but only to have that short bout with it from Iron Man #120-128. It wasn't supposed to define him but just be a struggle.

And that's how they've done it in the movies too. He hasn't become an alcoholic, even though he might struggle with PTSD. He doesn't crumble into the bottle every time. RDJ's Iron Man, apart from RDJ's own personality of course, is almost a direct transplant of the Michellinie/Layton Iron Man.

 

[P Supreme]

In general, yeah, but there were some people who resisted it a little, even if only by saying, "I don't care what anyone says..." or... "I'm in the minority, but..."

Usually it had to do with the quips and verbal barbs not really being Tony's specialty in the comics. That adds another layer to Peter being Tony's protegee, imho. No one was expecting that this could happen on the big screen, at the time.

Tony Stark in the comics had a lot of the same basic elements that we see in the RDJ version, but the character lacked a certain spark overall. Something vital that the actor provided.

Once Iron Man came out, it seemed obvious that this character, based around cool armor, gadgets, technological genius, and being a playboy, could work for a mainstream audience. Sometimes it just takes the right adaptation, I guess. Or somebody believing in the character.

also the technological era we are all in where gadgets and things like drive people today so seeing someone that there super power is Tech it just came at the right time and they had the right guy

Divine intervention if I may say so lol

 

[Flemm]

Armor Wars was fantastic.

One of my favorite Iron Man stories. As I recall, a conflict with Cap was featured as part of that. Though I think Steve was "The Captain" or something at the time.

The scene with the shield at the end of Civil War reminded me of that. I think, in the Armor Wars story, Tony gives Steve a shield to use in his new identity, because he no longer has the usual shield.

Then Steve refuses to use it, because he feels that Tony betrayed him.

 

[JtheDreamer]

In Ragnarok, Loki in the form of Odin made a play of it and everything so I guess the news traveled fast and Thanos probably has spies who relay him information and stuff

It's not hard to imagine how such an influential guy might've learned of Loki's supposed death and when he was revealed to be alive

But see that's a huge omission in the story telling considering it's relevance. Instead all that's happening is fans are filling in the blank with whatever they deem fit.

 

[honestbharani]

But see that's a huge omission in the story telling considering it's relevance. Instead all that's happening is fans are filling in the blank with whatever they deem fit.

If that is what goes for huge omissions these days in story telling, I dont think I can watch movies anymore. Lol.

 

[JtheDreamer]

If that is what goes for huge omissions these days in story telling, I dont think I can watch movies anymore. Lol.

Don't care. LOL

 

[TheWallCrawler]

But see that's a huge omission in the story telling considering it's relevance. Instead all that's happening is fans are filling in the blank with whatever they deem fit.

Sure it's the fans filling the blanks. But because there are pretty obvious explanations for it, how Thanos received the information isn't really relevant to the story that was told. It's much less likely that Thanos wouldn't learn that information. Odin and his family are famous, Loki was directly working for Thanos before, so either Thanos found out from actively keeping tabs on him, or the news just reached him

Are you saying it's unlikely for Thanos to get the information? because if that isn't what you mean, then I'm not sure why you think it needed to be explained

 

[JtheDreamer]

Sure it's the fans filling the blanks. But because there are pretty obvious explanations for it, how Thanos received the information isn't really relevant to the story that was told. It's much less likely that Thanos wouldn't learn that information. Odin and his family are famous, Loki was directly working for Thanos before, so either Thanos found out from actively keeping tabs on him, or the news just reached him

Are you saying it's unlikely for Thanos to get the information? because if that isn't what you mean, then I'm not sure why you think it needed to be explained

I'm not saying it's unlikely. They haven't touched on the Loki/Thanos dynamic since 2012's Avengers. That's a long time to go without establishing he's being spied on or that news traveled.

This film was a good one, but because of the size/scope there were quite a few moments where too much dialogue was relied upon to tie up connective loose ends.

 

[squeekness]

With all due respect, you probably should modify the reasons why you go to the movies.

Movies are stories like any other and they aren't necessarily supposed to leave us in a "good place". If you were entertained, it did it's job.

I agree, movies should reflect real life which doesn't always end well. Remember the Mist? Great movie, devasting ending. I wouldn't change a thing.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree, movies should reflect real life which doesn't always end well. Remember the Mist? Great movie, devasting ending. I wouldn't change a thing.

It depends on what you're trying to achieve. The ending to The Mist is great, but I am not so sure I want something like Cinderella ending like that, LOL! Or wait...that would be kind of awesome. Bad example

 

[Texas Zombie]

I agree, movies should reflect real life which doesn't always end well. Remember the Mist? Great movie, devasting ending. I wouldn't change a thing.

Scarface doesn’t end too well either.

 

[Flemm]

Thanos' line about "no resurrections" felt almost like a wall-break to me.

It's possible to justify it, in various ways, but it was mostly intended to establish the tone for the audience.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. I think that was the writer's/director's speaking through Thanos essentially.

 

[honestbharani]

Don't care. LOL

Sure it's the fans filling the blanks. But because there are pretty obvious explanations for it, how Thanos received the information isn't really relevant to the story that was told. It's much less likely that Thanos wouldn't learn that information. Odin and his family are famous, Loki was directly working for Thanos before, so either Thanos found out from actively keeping tabs on him, or the news just reached him

Are you saying it's unlikely for Thanos to get the information? because if that isn't what you mean, then I'm not sure why you think it needed to be explained

I'm not saying it's unlikely. They haven't touched on the Loki/Thanos dynamic since 2012's Avengers. That's a long time to go without establishing he's being spied on or that news traveled.

This film was a good one, but because of the size/scope there were quite a few moments where too much dialogue was relied upon to tie up connective loose ends.

Thanos' line about "no resurrections" felt almost like a wall-break to me.

It's possible to justify it, in various ways, but it was mostly intended to establish the tone for the audience.

I agree with Flemm there but I also think the explanation is very simple in that he is talking about Loki's first "resurrection" after he fell off the bifrost, which was only due to Thanos and so he was obviously aware of it. Simple, really.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Thanos' line about "no resurrections" felt almost like a wall-break to me.

It's possible to justify it, in various ways, but it was mostly intended to establish the tone for the audience.

That's exactly what it was - a wall break.

It seemed out of place for me.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I agree with Flemm there but I also think the explanation is very simple in that he is talking about Loki's first "resurrection" after he fell off the bifrost, which was only due to Thanos and so he was obviously aware of it. Simple, really.

It's been established Asgardians can actually survive floating thru space, so we can't assume Loki died after falling off the bridge. He merely got transported thru a wormhole.

 

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. I think that was the writer's/director's speaking through Thanos essentially.

If it were, he would've said: "No Russorections."