The Avengers Avengers Trailer Discussion - Part 1

[hopefuldreamer]

What's a 'video'?

In fairness, the main reason I haven't upgraded is because all my Buffy box sets are videos.

But I just don't understand people getting this upset cause the black bars at the top and bottom might be a bit thinner...

 

[Dark Raven]

"Full screen" was typically used to describe movies in 1.33:1, because that aspect ratio took up the whole screen on a 4:3 TV (which were standard until very recently). If you play a "full screen" (1.33:1) DVD on a standard 16:9 HDTV, you will get empty black spaces on the left and right of the picture, because the aspect ratio isn't wide enough to take advantage of a 16:9 frame.

16:9 and above is the standard for all Blu-ray releases and most TV shows now, with most TV shows being filmed in 1.78:1. If The Avengers does indeed turn out to be filmed in 1.85:1, then you won't get the "full screen" that we used to see on 4:3 TVs. Instead you'll get the whole picture, and probably some very thin black spaces above and below the picture (similar to how a 2.39:1 movie looks on a standard 16:9 HDTV), because the 1.85:1 ratio is slightly narrower from top to bottom (but wider from left to right) than the 1.78:1 ratio most modern TV shows are filmed and broadcast in.

There are media players now that allow you to change the aspect ratio on your computer anyway. I never watch any of these TV series with the black lines on the top and bottom because I always switch it to the relevant aspect ratio that allows it to fill the whole screen properly.

In fairness, the main reason I haven't upgraded is because all my Buffy box sets are videos.


But I just don't understand people getting this upset cause the black bars at the top and bottom might be a bit thinner...

Why would people want thicker black bars anyway? Just for the idea of feeling like they're watching something cinematic? I don't like watching with those bars.

 

[Avenger]

But by doing that, you're distorting the picture and you're not seeing the movie (or TV show) the way you were intended to see it.

EDIT: But we're really getting off topic, sorry. This is supposed to be about the trailer, right? Not aspect ratios. So, um...the trailer was awesome! Yeah! t:

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Yasin that rasheo is surprising, bit maybe Joss Whedon dosnae like they big tellies, if ye look at his past wurk, at his telly shows... Buffy hud a wee telly, Giles hud an even weeer telly, Angel didnae even huv a telly, they hud big tellies in Serenity, but they were space tellies, maybee he feels the human race is not ready for such big tellies yet, but it is ok fur in the future.

Ah huv a wee telly, used tae huv a big telly, but no as big as they big tellies, but that pichure went aw green, so we ur watching a wee portabill telly nooadays, so Joss Whedon is awright by me. until ah get a big telly.

 

[cherokeesam]

Yes, Whedon did a fantastic job in the writers' room and on the TV set (I've heard it a thousand times already) but does not indicate that he is experienced enough to handle a hundred million dollar project with a high number of A-list actors on the set. Directing a TV show is not the same as a directing a high caliber film.

I'm not the least bit worried by Whedon's film resume. In fact, lack of experience works to his advantage.

As illogical as some may think it is, the fact remains that in the genre of superhero film, it is the (relative) noobs who make the best material, while film veterans still haven't grasped what makes the genre tick.

Before their respective superhero franchises took off, the film resumes of fan-favorite directors included mainly:

Tim Burton: Beetlejuice; Pee Wee's Big Adventure
Chris Nolan: Memento; Insomnia
Jon Favreau: Made; Elf; Zathura
Bryan Singer: The Usual Suspects; Apt Pupil


On the other hand, established directors with acclaimed careers have rarely been able to duplicate that same kind of success --- Joel Schumacher, Kenneth Branagh, Joe Johnston, Ang Lee, Martin Campbell.

The formula is simple: find a relatively inexperienced film director from a genre *outside* of superheroes, and they'll usually be able to bring a fresh take on the subject matter to make it a hit. The formula doesn't always work --- it definitely didn't for Mark Steven Johnson or Tim Story or Louis Leterrier --- but for the most part, Marvel and DC have been able to find lightning in a bottle with the novices instead of the veterans.

So that places directors like Joss Whedon and Patty Jenkins (Thor 2) squarely in the "safe bet" column.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm not the least bit worried by Whedon's film resume. In fact, lack of experience works to his advantage.

As illogical as some may think it is, the fact remains that in the genre of superhero film, it is the (relative) noobs who make the best material, while film veterans still haven't grasped what makes the genre tick.

Before their respective superhero franchises took off, the film resumes of fan-favorite directors included mainly:

Tim Burton: Beetlejuice; Pee Wee's Big Adventure
Chris Nolan: Memento; Insomnia
Jon Favreau: Made; Elf; Zathura
Bryan Singer: The Usual Suspects; Apt Pupil


On the other hand, established directors with acclaimed careers have rarely been able to duplicate that same kind of success --- Joel Schumacher, Kenneth Branagh, Joe Johnston, Ang Lee, Martin Campbell.

The formula is simple: find a relatively inexperienced film director from a genre *outside* of superheroes, and they'll usually be able to bring a fresh take on the subject matter to make it a hit. The formula doesn't always work --- it definitely didn't for Mark Steven Johnson or Tim Story or Louis Leterrier --- but for the most part, Marvel and DC have been able to find lightning in a bottle with the novices instead of the veterans.

So that places directors like Joss Whedon and Patty Jenkins (Thor 2) squarely in the "safe bet" column.

I would say those 3 did achieve the same kind of success, now Ang Lee is my own personal opinion but both Thor and Captain America were both critical and financial successes.

 

[roach]

The formula is simple: find a relatively inexperienced film director from a genre *outside* of superheroes, and they'll usually be able to bring a fresh take on the subject matter to make it a hit. The formula doesn't always work --- it definitely didn't for Mark Steven Johnson or Tim Story or Louis Leterrier --- but for the most part, Marvel and DC have been able to find lightning in a bottle with the novices instead of the veterans.

So that places directors like Joss Whedon and Patty Jenkins (Thor 2) squarely in the "safe bet" column.

so how do we know this isnt gonna be one of those "wrong bet" moments

 

[spider-neil]

to be fair serenity is an ensemble cast, every character gets their moment to shine AND there is kick ass action.

 

[roach]

to be fair serenity is an ensemble cast, every character gets their moment to shine AND there is kick ass action.

Which would be cool if this was Serenity 2...but its not its Avengers

 

[spider-neil]

Which would be cool if this was Serenity 2...but its not its Avengers

avengers is a much more difficult task, none of the serenity characters are iconic, and even though you have strong characters clearly mal is in charge. whedon has the difficult task of balancing characters and establishing a chain of command*



* personally I think the more tention the better so let cap and tony fight it out for control.

 

[nogap87]

I can't give Johnston any props when his movie was bumped from the #1 spot by a critically panned Smurf movie.

And TIH would have done better if Marvel gave it half of the attention they gave Iron Man.

 

[spider-neil]

I can't give Johnston any props when his movie was bumped from the #1 spot by a critically panned Smurf movie.

And TIH would have done better if Marvel gave it half of the attention they gave Iron Man.

I really enjoyed TIH, the CG was poor though.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I actually was watching the Incredible Hulk last night, and I was just thinking that. Even though the final battle is epic, imo, it just looked like a video game just because everything looked fake

 

[nogap87]

I really enjoyed TIH, the CG was poor though.

I really liked the last fight and the relationship between Bruce and Betty. I hate that Hulk was mostly mute again. That's worse than lack of Nazis and winged helmets combined.

All in all, I wish Louis Leterrier was kept on as a consultant for Marvel's films. He's the only one of their directors who knew how to film a decent fight between super powered beings.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

In the trailer,it looks like Iron Man is gonna be the one with all the screen time,like how Wolverine took over all the screen time from the XMen.

That's almost ironic and quite the opposite...

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Any word on this trailer being seen on any movies this weekend?

 

[spider-neil]

I think ang lee's themes were deep (supressed rage, father/son issues) but the action was weak

contrast with TIH themes not being as deep but the action was kick ass

if you mixed the depth of lee's hulk with the action of TIH you would have the perfect hulk movie.

 

[WildcatNC]

I can't give Johnston any props when his movie was bumped from the #1 spot by a critically panned Smurf movie.

And TIH would have done better if Marvel gave it half of the attention they gave Iron Man.

You can't go by that. No one was going to see Smurfs because it was great. Peoples childhood nostalgia and their own children were dragging them to see it.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I can't give Johnston any props when his movie was bumped from the #1 spot by a critically panned Smurf movie..

That logic doesn't make any damn sense.

 

[Weadazoid]

I really liked the last fight and the relationship between Bruce and Betty. I hate that Hulk was mostly mute again. That's worse than lack of Nazis and winged helmets combined.

All in all, I wish Louis Leterrier was kept on as a consultant for Marvel's films. He's the only one of their directors who knew how to film a decent fight between super powered beings.

face it the guy gave us some of the best fight sequences ever in a marvel movie.... The climax battle actually lated as long as a SUper Villain fight should

 

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by nogap87 http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=21657235#post21657235
I really liked the last fight and the relationship between Bruce and Betty. I hate that Hulk was mostly mute again. That's worse than lack of Nazis and winged helmets combined.

All in all, I wish Louis Leterrier was kept on as a consultant for Marvel's films. He's the only one of their directors who knew how to film a decent fight between super powered beings.

to be fair to the director, what is hulk going to say and who is he going to say it to?

hulk - 'so betty, I was smashing a building the other day and for some reason you popped into my head. want to do for dinner and drinks sometime?'

 

[roach]

to be fair to the director, what is hulk going to say and who is he going to say it to?

hulk - 'so betty, I was smashing a building the other day and for some reason you popped into my head. want to do for dinner and drinks sometime?'

anyone who has read the comics knows the Hulk says more than "Hulk Smash' and "Puny Human"

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Whedon should be able to come up with some good one liners for the Hulk, along the lines of using the standard Hulk nicknames, like 'Stupid Flag-Man!' for Captain America, haha.
I can't recall what nicknames he has given the other Avengers in the books or cartoons.

oh, maybe he calls Iron-Man, 'Stupid Tin-Man!'.

But, aye, I would not mind hearing some interaction with the other avengers along the lines of the Hulk nicknames.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

goldie locks for thor

 

[Weadazoid]

goldie locks for thor

LOL now that would be priceless and even make Tony chuckle