The Avengers Avengers Trailer Discussion - Part 1

[Marvin]

Coming from genre trumps simply coming from esteem in my books.
Lest we forget Wolverine Origins(and what joss would have no doubt done with it)

 

[spider-neil]

It would be great if the hulk had the same character as the earth's mightiest heroes hulk but I just don't see that happening

 

[nogap87]

You can't go by that. No one was going to see Smurfs because it was great. Peoples childhood nostalgia and their own children were dragging them to see it.

I understand why Smurfs made money. Just like I understand how it helped dethrone Cap from the top of the box office. TFA wasn't that great.

That logic doesn't make any damn sense.

My logic: Cap was beat by Smurfs because it was a bland movie. What's not to get?

face it the guy gave us some of the best fight sequences ever in a marvel movie.... The climax battle actually lated as long as a SUper Villain fight should

I did face it. Now Marvel needs to.

to be fair to the director, what is hulk going to say and who is he going to say it to?

It would be great if the hulk had the same character as the earth's mightiest heroes hulk

You sorta answered your own question.

 

[roach]

Coming from genre trumps simply coming from esteem in my books.
Lest we forget Wolverine Origins(and what joss would have no doubt done with it)

exactly....it worked for Bryan Singer...he went from X-men to Superman

 

[Marvin]

exactly....it worked for Bryan Singer...he went from X-men to Superman

Makes sense when you compare Singers Xmen to Vaughn's
Makes even more sense when you compare singers Xmen to Whendons. Never liked his work personally. I saw Returns coming a mile away.

 

[roach]

I know people are fans of Whedon's but for me the proof of his ability to direct this movie wont be until I see this movie.

 

[Marvin]

If I wasn't won over by his earlier work, I'd probably feel the same way.

 

[marcvader]

I understand why Smurfs made money. Just like I understand how it helped dethrone Cap from the top of the box office. TFA wasn't that great.



My logic: Cap was beat by Smurfs because it was a bland movie. What's not to get?



I did face it. Now Marvel needs to.





You sorta answered your own question.

My god, you're such a *****e.

 

[T"Challa]

My god, you're such a *****e.

lol

 

[Marvin]

I have a strong feeling Hulk won't be depowered in this film. Considering the accomplishments and clout he will need to have in the wake of his company(good and bad). For that reason alone this hulk will be considered better than the glazed eyes with the surfer body in TIH.

He's going to be strong. Strong enough to do what thor can't. Maybe he'll go back to his mile long jumps too.

 

[Superman]

Anyone know where I can find some big HD screen caps from the new trailer?

 

[Weadazoid]

so anyone else take note clearly Loki has fashioned himself an new staff......


there was a theory a while ago that it may have been a gun.... thats not gun


what the thoery on the new staff.... looks to me as though he has mounted the cube onto it..... perhaps the staff and the cube were made for one another...

 

[spider-neil]

it will be so good to see heroes at the top of their powers to take down an emeny more powerful than all of them combined. how often do you see heroes depowered or inexperienced for the sake of plot and no origin to slow down the pacing

spider-man - inexperienced
SM2 - depowered
superman 2 - depowered
batman begins - inexperienced
thor - depowered
IM - inexperienced

the avengers and alter egos kept to an absolute minimum

 

[Marvin]

Spiderman's hand to hand is always depowered
Supemans is another one that's always depowered, especially for the sake of animation plotting.

Xmen's plotting is always circumstantial. For example Get rid of Xavier in the second act so Wolverine can run around trying to solve problems by stabbing them cause if not...death strike...frozen mutants on Alcatraz..etc.

I think Whedons background is going to give us a very clear pace and situation that enables characters and their powers to shine in a way that makes the most sense possible.

 

[jmc]

To be fair, you've gotta make the character work for the victory, you can never really have them at the top of their game because story wise it doesn't make for a great character arc.

 

[spider-neil]

Spiderman's hand to hand is always depowered
Supemans is another one that's always depowered, especially for the sake of animation plotting.

Xmen's plotting is always circumstantial. For example Get rid of Xavier in the second act so Wolverine can run around trying to solve problems by stabbing them cause if not...death strike...frozen mutants on Alcatraz..etc.

I think Whedons background is going to give us a very clear pace and situation that enables characters and their powers to shine in a way that makes the most sense possible.

some people will say how can you hae character development with super powerful beings but I think if the avengers get their arse handed to them (hence tony's line 'if we can't save the would we can avenge it) the character development will happen with how they overcome impossible odds.

I'm sick of writers who feel they have to bring the superheroes down to a human level to introduce conflict/character developement, how about introducing villians so great the hero questions his ability to take the villian down.

 

[nogap87]

My god, you're such a *****e.

Name calling. Really?

If you like TFA, fine. I have no problem with that. No need to get all pissy because some random dude on the internet doesn't share your opinion.

 

[jmc]

I'm sick of writers who feel they have to bring the superheroes down to a human level to introduce conflict/character developement, how about introducing villians so great the hero questions his ability to take the villian down.

In most cases the villains usually are better than the hero which in turn makes the hero doubt himself at some stage. What you want is nothing new.

 

[marcvader]

Name calling. Really?

If you like TFA, fine. I have no problem with that. No need to get all pissy because some random dude on the internet doesn't share your opinion.

Lol. I agree about people having their own opinions.

 

[Marvin]

some people will say how can you hae character development with super powerful beings but I think if the avengers get their arse handed to them (hence tony's line 'if we can't save the would we can avenge it) the character development will happen with how they overcome impossible odds.

I'm sick of writers who feel they have to bring the superheroes down to a human level to introduce conflict/character developement, how about introducing villians so great the hero questions his ability to take the villian down.

well in TDK they made joker very smart..but then again they made bats dumber then watson...

 

[BigThor]

He's going to be strong. Strong enough to do what thor can't. Maybe he'll go back to his mile long jumps too.

That's the way it should be, otherwise what's the point of Hulk being on the team.

Strength is pretty much what Hulk's all about, but I'd still like for Thor to be somewhat close to Hulk's strength level in the film.

 

[nogap87]

well in TDK they made joker very smart..but then again they made bats dumber then watson...

I have a lot more respect for Watson after the last Sherlock Holmes movie. Completely agree about Batman though. Luckily for him Gotham PD are idiots.

 

[spider-neil]

In most cases the villains usually are better than the hero which in turn makes the hero doubt himself at some stage. What you want is nothing new.

okay, we'll use the superman movies as an example,

Superman 1;
the first act has him discovering who he is
the second act has him depowered with a rock around his neck

Superman 2;
the second act has him with no powers whatsoever

I love the superman movies don't get me wrong but if superman is a '10' and human is an '1' instead of introducing a threat that is a '12' (darkseid, doomsday) and making superman deal with that and character developement happening during that conflict -
superman - 'lois, I don't think I can win this fight and I don't know what that means for earth...'
no, the writers have to drag superman down to a '3' so mundane villians can take him out, it's really annoying. they refuse to let superman BE superman.

looking at the trailer it looks the avengers even together are going to bearly be enough to stop this threat.
none of them have to give up their power for love (or whatever).
none of them will have their power taken from them.
none of them will have plot contrivences that stop them using their full potential.

and it's about freaking time!

 

[First Avenger]

BTW,I think that,aside from Serenity,the best indication of how this movie could turn out is Joss' work on Astonishing X-men 1-24.What do you think about it?

 

[spider-neil]

BTW,I think that,aside from Serenity,the best indication of how this movie could turn out is Joss' work on Astonishing X-men 1-24.What do you think about it?

imho the best xmen written (and drawn) since the xmen peaked with clearmont and byrne. brilliant!