Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 1

[Havok83]

Watch it'll turn out that Jean's body has been held by Sinister this whole time and she'll be ressurected by the PF by the end of the series.

Can you imagine? God help them all if those 6 clones get their hands on the PF. One Dark Phoenix is bad enough but 6, all controlled by Sinister? Screw Earth. The entire universe as we know it could be over

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Also Cyclops will be dead. (that's just the direction this is going)

Prior to reading this week's UXM and AvX I'd have agreeded with you, but I actually think we're going to end up getting an Emma death without a jean resurrection. Call it a hunch.

 

[Manic]

Watch it'll turn out that Jean's body has been held by Sinister this whole time and she'll be ressurected by the PF by the end of the series.

Except Jean's body doesn't exist on Earth anymore. It's not even in the 616 universe; it's in the White Hot Room. She literally got out of her grave and left during Phoenix: Endsong.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Except Jean's body doesn't exist on Earth anymore. It's not even in the 616 universe; it's in the White Hot Room. She literally got out of her grave and left during Phoenix: Endsong.

Endsong was that terrible series that had Land doing all the art.

Yea, never read it. I tend to avoid anything with Land tied to it like the plague. So she's not in her grave? So much for that theory.

I still think we'll finally get Jean back after this is done.

Maybe I just want to see her reaction to the state of the marvel universe since she's been dead.

 

[Manic]

Don't get me wrong. I think your theory is highly unlikely because of what happened during Endsong, but that doesn't mean it'll never happen. The people writing this miniseries have clearly been ignoring a good portion of the Phoenix's recent history. I mean, why is the Phoenix Force wiping out every planet it passes by in search of a host if Jean is supposed to be its current host in the White Hot Room, Jean has been collecting its fragments herself, the last few people who possessed it (Rachel, Korvus, the Stepfords, Hope) used it only for good, and the fragments of the Phoenix that already had hosts abandoned them?

 

[javi1024]

^ Personally I hope that it could only mean Jean is returning. Not because I miss the character alot or anything like that, but it would just be a giant flashing sign that Marvel can't keep their characters/stories straight.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So this issue makes me wonder if, rather than the inversion some have predicted with the X-Men in the public's good graces and the Avengers out of them, this series might just serve to restore the standard status quo with lots of mutants who are hated and the Avengers as the heroes. I mean, this whole "improve the world whether anyone wants it or not" ideology is kind of begging to blow up in Cyclops' face, after all.

 

[roach]

I'm pretty sure the big flashing sign was up before this event

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't say I care one way or the other whether Jean returns. Unless it's leading to a reunion of the original five. That I might be interested in reading, provided they're somewhat like their classic selves and not another bunch of extremist nutjobs under Cyclops.

 

[Manic]

With Scotty's current behavior and Warren out of his mind, I'm not really looking forward to any kind of Original 5 reunion.

At this point, I don't care if Jean comes back or if Hope really does host the Phoenix. I just want the damn entity to take on a host (just one, mind you. Not half a dozen) and stick with them for the foreseeable future without destroying any planets.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd just really like to stop seeing Thor get punked everywhere in this event.

 

[runawayboulder]

They use Thor as a punching bag to enhance the main threat of the big story and instead of wowing us it makes most of us groan.

 

[Manic]

Hey, remember the first season of the Justice League animated series where Superman would get b-slapped in every episode just to show that he needs to rest of the team to stop this one threat?

Thor is that guy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Which I understand. But Thor got his ass thoroughly kicked like 3 or 4 times in space by the full Phoenix already, and it's blown up a few planets on the way. At this point, they're just building the Phoenix Five into a literally unstoppable threat to the entirety of the Avengers. Like, they have absolutely no chance if Cyclops, with 1/5th of the Phoenix, can easily just dismiss Thor.

But, hey, I guess this means I can go ahead and skip that Vs. issue with Thor vs. Emma, since that's likely just gonna be a repeat of what we saw in this week's AvX.

 

[CombatRock319]

Which I understand. But Thor got his ass thoroughly kicked like 3 or 4 times in space by the full Phoenix already, and it's blown up a few planets on the way. At this point, they're just building the Phoenix Five into a literally unstoppable threat to the entirety of the Avengers. Like, they have absolutely no chance if Cyclops, with 1/5th of the Phoenix, can easily just dismiss Thor.

But, hey, I guess this means I can go ahead and skip that Vs. issue with Thor vs. Emma, since that's likely just gonna be a repeat of what we saw in this week's AvX.

Was that confirmed? I didn't know if they revealed his opponent yet...

 

[javi1024]

I think they released a cover recently.

 

[Havok83]

yeah a couple of weeks back. It was blacked out to not reveal the spoiler of the Phoenix Five but after they were created, they revealed a bunch of covers revealing the group, one of which was AvX 5

 

[CombatRock319]

Hey, remember the first season of the Justice League animated series where Superman would get b-slapped in every episode just to show that he needs to rest of the team to stop this one threat?

Thor is that guy.

This pretty much summarizes the current treatment of Thor on AvX. We're supposed to believe that Colossus, Magik, Emma, and Namor have unreal levels of power, but Thor doesn't get a chance against any of them.

Iron Man beat Magneto too, so actual power sets are clearly not being taken into consideration... rubber suit or not...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The narration in that battle was funny. "If you think the master of magnetism should have no problem with a man in a metal suit... clearly, you don't know Tony Stark." No, I know Tony Stark, I just know Magneto's a f***ing ridiculous powerhouse and Tony's whole "reveal he already invented whatever macguffin he needs to win" schtick is relatively new, too.

 

[roach]

Tony bought 'prep time'

 

[CombatRock319]

The narration in that battle was funny. "If you think the master of magnetism should have no problem with a man in a metal suit... clearly, you don't know Tony Stark." No, I know Tony Stark, I just know Magneto's a f***ing ridiculous powerhouse and Tony's whole "reveal he already invented whatever macguffin he needs to win" schtick is relatively new, too.

In my opinion there's no scenario, non-metal armor or not, where Magneto loses in a one-on-on with Iron Man. Even if Mags can't affect Tony's armor, his shear power dwarfs Iron Mans. It's dumb that there was any consideration on that battle...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, well, in my opinion there's no way Thor doesn't just absorb whatever energy these mini-Phoenixes throw at him with Mjolnir and shove it right back down their hosts' throats. But clearly the writers have other notions.

 

[Manic]

How the hell did Tony even beat Erik? Even if Iron Man's armor is somehow non-ferrous, Magneto's power should still be able to affect gravity, electricity, and shrug off anything Tony shoots at him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Because Iyern Man is teh c00l3st!!11

 

[Franklin Richards]

If Magneto only relied on magnetism, I'd give it to Stark. Fighting magnetism is one of the first things a scientist learns to fight. But here's the tricky part.


Magneto also knows how to control electricity. It seems like everyone forgets that part. Last I checked, Iron Man depends on electricity a lot. Whether it's generated by some piece of cobalt 42 or whatever... he still uses a lot of electricity.


Drain. Paperweight. Iron Man is down.