Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event

[Havok83]

Since when did Black Panther rejoin the Avengers?

wasnt he there when Storm joined?

 

[runawayboulder]

Cap asked him to join after Fear Itself because he felt they needed an old familiar face. BP suggested Storm because he felt they needed firepower instead. Funny because now she's getting a righteous ass whooping from Val in AvX.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, in fairness to BP, Thor was dead at the time. Probably figured they could use a weather manipulator and #2 on the list would serve well enough.

I found it funny that the unreasonable jerkwad Cap let Storm fly off to presumably rejoin the X-Men and ultimately stand against the Avengers. What a dick that guy is. He's clearly the type to barge in guns blazing, kidnap a girl, and then boot her off into space totally alone and unprotected when one of the cosmic big guns is after her.

 

[roach]

Why didnt they just invite Scott to a table to discuss ideas.

Or offer to have her go with Hope to be her personal guard.

what and have these characters act like people that have stood side by side in life or death situations for years....where the fun in that when we can just make the fight over something silly
This is what happens when you strip mine the past for stories instead of moving forward

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In all his ramblings, Cyclops did raise one good point: Why don't the Avengers offer the X-Men a hand more often? Clearly, the Avengers are not bigots in any way. Hank Pym immediately extended the hand of friendship and cooperation to Wolverine when Wolverine reopened the school, for one thing. It seems like they'd be more willing to back the X-Men up in the field whenever they're dealing with their balls-to-the-wall crazy s*** in all their events too, yet the Avengers are strangely absent. I mean, I know the obvious answer is that the creators don't want Avengers cluttering up every X-Men event, but is there any kind of in-universe explanation? Are the Avengers just too busy? Do they just figure the X-Men want to personally handle mutant-centric affairs without their interference? What? That one accusation from Cyclops kind of stings because I honestly can't come up with a good, in-universe reason for the Avengers to not pitch in with the X-Men, yet they never really do.

 

[runawayboulder]

Well, in fairness to BP, Thor was dead at the time. Probably figured they could use a weather manipulator and #2 on the list would serve well enough.

I found it funny that the unreasonable jerkwad Cap let Storm fly off to presumably rejoin the X-Men and ultimately stand against the Avengers. What a dick that guy is. He's clearly the type to barge in guns blazing, kidnap a girl, and then boot her off into space totally alone and unprotected when one of the cosmic big guns is after her.

Blame the s**t writing. Storm should have never been on the Avengers in the fist place.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, you. I'm kind of over the idea of anyone joining the Avengers at this point. They've been consciously established as the central superhero organization in the entire Marvel world, so if you want to be on the front lines against global threats, they're the place to be. That they're willing to accept those who wish to help is a good thing. Can't hurt to have as many superheroes as possible organized and ready to pitch in under the Avengers' generally rock-solid leadership, after all. It's the Initiative but voluntary, just as it always should've been.

 

[roach]

In all his ramblings, Cyclops did raise one good point: Why don't the Avengers offer the X-Men a hand more often? Clearly, the Avengers are not bigots in any way. Hank Pym immediately extended the hand of friendship and cooperation to Wolverine when Wolverine reopened the school, for one thing. It seems like they'd be more willing to back the X-Men up in the field whenever they're dealing with their balls-to-the-wall crazy s*** in all their events too, yet the Avengers are strangely absent. I mean, I know the obvious answer is that the creators don't want Avengers cluttering up every X-Men event, but is there any kind of in-universe explanation? Are the Avengers just too busy? Do they just figure the X-Men want to personally handle mutant-centric affairs without their interference? What? That one accusation from Cyclops kind of stings because I honestly can't come up with a good, in-universe reason for the Avengers to not pitch in with the X-Men, yet they never really do.

I look at it like a professional courtesy...either they let the X-men handle mutant specific stuff first before they go in or they are specifically asked to go in first...like in X-men 1-3 when Fury tasked them with going up against Magneto.

 

[runawayboulder]

It wouldn't have bothered me so much if they used her for something. At least Rulk almost died protecting Avengers Tower.

 

[roach]

Oh, you. I'm kind of over the idea of anyone joining the Avengers at this point. They've been consciously established as the central superhero organization in the entire Marvel world, so if you want to be on the front lines against global threats, they're the place to be. That they're willing to accept those who wish to help is a good thing. Can't hurt to have as many superheroes as possible organized and ready to pitch in under the Avengers' generally rock-solid leadership, after all. It's the Initiative but voluntary, just as it always should've been.

I've always felt that the Avengers should be this massive organization with every superhero as a member....with Cap and a select few at the core and everyone else as specialists. Need a stealth team...you pull the best stealth members...need a heavy hitter team then grab all the muscles....treat it like JLU

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I look at it like a professional courtesy...either they let the X-men handle mutant specific stuff first before they go in or they are specifically asked to go in first...like in X-men 1-3 when Fury tasked them with going up against Magneto.

But if it's a case of the Avengers' staying out of the X-Men's business out of respect, isn't Cyclops kind of a dick for then throwing the Avengers' absence back in Cap's face?

"Where were you when we needed you?!"
"Uh, respecting that you could handle your own business, which you seemed perfectly fine with up until right this second...?"

 

[roach]

But if it's a case of the Avengers' staying out of the X-Men's business out of respect, isn't Cyclops kind of a dick for then throwing the Avengers' absence back in Cap's face?

"Where were you when we needed you?!"
"Uh, respecting that you could handle your own business, which you seemed perfectly fine with up until right this second...?"

exactly.
accusing the Avengers of being mutant biased (considering they took mutants and made the heroes to the public by having them members....Beast, SW, QS,Namor, Falcon and others) is like accusing the X-men of being human biased since they don't have human members

 

[THANOSRULES]

what and have these characters act like people that have stood side by side in life or death situations for years....where the fun in that when we can just make the fight over something silly
This is what happens when you strip mine the past for stories instead of moving forward

Yeah I totally agree, this "event" is a true strip mine.

Even more so than others....

Yet I did enjoy X-sanction and I'm going to buy this to at least see where it goes.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

He's passionate. Cable was alot worse in X-Sanction. He was fueled by the dark future that he saw which was allegedly sparked by the Avengers taking Hope out and her not being around to save it. Cable warned Scott that the Avengers will eventually come looking for her and war would come. He showed him a vision of whats to come as the end result of that happening. Scott let it go and didnt act preemptively as Cable had, but sure enough the Avengers came for Hope and it kinda seems like the path to that dark future is starting right here. I also feel that plays a role in why he feels he needs to protect Hope at all cost bc the last few years since MC will have been for nothing. I liked that final scene. He made a promise to his son and it set the stage for why he acted the way he did in #1

until Scott starts waging war on humanity, hating and killing them to promote mutant supremacy, he will never be quite like Magneto; not even close.

You know, if that page was summarized in a quick flashback or something in avx 0 or 1 it would have added something to the conflict imo.

 

[Specter313]

But you have to admit; Cap showing up with an army is essentially like me walking up to you, casually swinging a baseball bat, and telling you to get out of the way. It's kind of an "or else" attitute.

I have to say I fall more to this side. He also made it pretty clear that it wasn't any real kind of negotiation. Home was coming with him, one way or another. Sure, Scott was a hothead in the whole thing, but he wasn't the only one with any kind of blame here.

 

[Scourge2099]

The Void thing is probably completely forgotten.

Cyclops isn't evil, he's just turning into a misguided fundamentalist, the very thing he used to be against.

You can't really blame Cyke for the way he's been acting lately though. He has the survival of an entire race on his hands unlike Cap does. Of course he is going to be angry when Captain America shows up with a mixed team of 3 squads of Avengers , a Helicarieer and a bunch of jets looking for the messiah of the mutants.

 

[hippie_hunter]

wasnt he there when Storm joined?

No, he turned down membership and recommended Storm.

 

[Havok83]

No, he turned down membership and recommended Storm.

thanks. Whats he been doing then since he hasnt been with her on the team?

 

[Shazam]

In all his ramblings, Cyclops did raise one good point: Why don't the Avengers offer the X-Men a hand more often? Clearly, the Avengers are not bigots in any way. Hank Pym immediately extended the hand of friendship and cooperation to Wolverine when Wolverine reopened the school, for one thing. It seems like they'd be more willing to back the X-Men up in the field whenever they're dealing with their balls-to-the-wall crazy s*** in all their events too, yet the Avengers are strangely absent. I mean, I know the obvious answer is that the creators don't want Avengers cluttering up every X-Men event, but is there any kind of in-universe explanation? Are the Avengers just too busy? Do they just figure the X-Men want to personally handle mutant-centric affairs without their interference? What? That one accusation from Cyclops kind of stings because I honestly can't come up with a good, in-universe reason for the Avengers to not pitch in with the X-Men, yet they never really do.

The Avengers have been too busy.

Civil War??

Skull Invasion?

World War Hulk?

Fear Itself??

Osborn??

Tell me where they've had the time?? Especially recently. Mansion and Tower have been destroyed.

 

[Havok83]

Wrong thread

 

[Drz]

Here's a link to that inevitable Avengers vs. X-Men OHC. It collects 528 pages, which means it includes more than simple the 12 issues, so it likely has the #0 included alongside the Vs. Tie in? Eitherway even if you just count 12 times 3.99$ = 48$, the OHC is 53$ so i'd still say this is a bargain with it being an OHC and all.

 

[runawayboulder]

Amazon is pretty generous on shipping, that's why they're putting Best Buy out of business.

 

[Raiden]

Amazon is pretty generous on shipping, that's why they're putting Best Buy out of business.

Wasn't Amazon the one who put record stores like Tower Records out of business? I like Best Buy but the writing's on the wall unfortunately. Pretty soon we'll all be buying from online stores only.

 

[runawayboulder]

I don't think stores will completely go away, you'll see more small stuff in malls the size of Radio Shack instead of the large Best Buy's that anchor a shopping plaza.

It's kinda sad honestly. NY used to have a ton of Media Play stores in the late 90's-early 00's now they're all gone since 06. Media Play was awesome. CD's, movies, games, books and comic trade paperbacks all in one spot. They came right in at the dawn of the digital age and got creamed by online music and Best Buy. What goes around comes around...

 

[Havok83]

Wasn't Amazon the one who put record stores like Tower Records out of business?

I would say stuff like Napster and Itunes did that