Comics Back In Black Discussion Thread (Spoilers)
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shinlyle
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Well, I finally read ASM#539...not BAD....but far from good.
The two continuity errors stuck out like a sore thumb and seriously hindered most of the enjoyment I may have gotten from this book. The page where Peter is in the black suit is awesome...the fight scenes were great....although I didn't like Peter becoming all "Batman" on us. I understand that he's been through a traumatic event, so I'm willing to deal with it...for now.
Still, considering Peter was going by the name BEN REILLY over in FNSM, JMS's egregious error ir made even more stupid.
I honestly think he does all of this now just to anger the fans a few more times before he disappears and leaves the Spider-books for good.
I'm kind of hoping they do with JMS's run what they did to Bruce Jones's run on the Hulk and make it all one big dream where Peter was trapped on an island and living in Nightmare's dream realm or something.
The two continuity errors stuck out like a sore thumb and seriously hindered most of the enjoyment I may have gotten from this book. The page where Peter is in the black suit is awesome...the fight scenes were great....although I didn't like Peter becoming all "Batman" on us. I understand that he's been through a traumatic event, so I'm willing to deal with it...for now.
Still, considering Peter was going by the name BEN REILLY over in FNSM, JMS's egregious error ir made even more stupid.
I honestly think he does all of this now just to anger the fans a few more times before he disappears and leaves the Spider-books for good.
I'm kind of hoping they do with JMS's run what they did to Bruce Jones's run on the Hulk and make it all one big dream where Peter was trapped on an island and living in Nightmare's dream realm or something.
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I just read SSM 36. Medina didn't do this issues and it kills my enjoyment. I just can't get used to other artist drew Spider-Man with different style, but in the same arc. If they want to switch artists, why don't let Medina finishes this arc first and let other artists do the following arc? It happened in Feral before...arrrghhh. I hate this.
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The latest issue of Sensational was good. It was kind of awesome seeing all the different Spider-Men dressed in the different costumes and everything. And we finally learn what Zabo was basically up to as well, which was a pretty interesting plot development. But the conclusion should be pretty sweet. Sacasa keeps consistently delivering the goods and hopefully he sticks around for a WHILE. Please.
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"All Batman on us" refers to him becoming all darka nd serious and moody and violent. The way Batman is. It reminds me alot of his little "i am spider" period right after his parents were discovered to be robots.
Yeah, the dream thing would be terrible, but it's nowhere near as bad as Norman Osborn knocking up Gwen Stacy off panel or Peter eating someone's head.
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Aloha,
JMS is leaving.All Spider titles are supposed to have EDITORS! JMS could have made the mistake but it was the EDITORS job to catch the Fitzgerald error.Some of you guys have such a mad on for JMS its funny.
Spidey rules
JMS is leaving.All Spider titles are supposed to have EDITORS! JMS could have made the mistake but it was the EDITORS job to catch the Fitzgerald error.Some of you guys have such a mad on for JMS its funny.
Spidey rules
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i remeber hearing about those...so they actually happened....damn.
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Spider-Man + Killing = Poor Writing...
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
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I'll make a wild guess and say you're not fond of The Other?
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Ah ya. Didn't Peter kill Morlun? So he did kill someone
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Yes...and it was poorly written...the second worst arc in Spidey history...next to SP.
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Didn't Spider-Man kill the Finisher in ASM# Annual 5? And REALLY try to kill Green Goblin in PPSM#75 (after Gobby impaled Ben)? I know he knew about Norman's healing-factor, but that was a flaming gut full of EVERY pumpkin bomb from the Daily Bugle, each one with enough force to kill within itself. So Peter has snapped on occasion and used what could constitute lethal force. As well as that, I think "folks" like Morlun are exceptions to the rule... He would never stop until either he or Peter was dead. So there are exceptions... Let's not forget that Captain America once decapitated Baron Blood. 
PS: Having said all that, I agree "The Other" was spectacularly dreadful... although not for that reason.
PS: Having said all that, I agree "The Other" was spectacularly dreadful... although not for that reason.
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JJJ's Ulcer's got a point. Peter has snapped on occasion and its very understandable. I like how heroes like Spidey vow to never kill but its times like this where i wish that Peter did cross that line. I seriously hope he does something dreadful to the Kingpin. Its about time that Fisk got what was coming to him. There's no other option, even in JAIL, fisk gets luxury, so justice is not gonna teach Kingpin a lesson, Spidey's gonna havta do something drastic to get rid of the kingpin once and for all...
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Didn't Spider-Man kill the Finisher in ASM# Annual 5? And REALLY try to kill Green Goblin in PPSM#75 (after Gobby impaled Ben)? I know he knew about Norman's healing-factor, but that was a flaming gut full of EVERY pumpkin bomb from the Daily Bugle, each one with enough force to kill within itself. So Peter has snapped on occasion and used what could constitute lethal force. As well as that, I think "folks" like Morlun are exceptions to the rule... He would never stop until either he or Peter was dead. So there are exceptions... Let's not forget that Captain America once decapitated Baron Blood.
PS: Having said all that, I agree "The Other" was spectacularly dreadful... although not for that reason.
Yeah, I think someone actually posted a list of the times Spidey HAS killed someone, and almost killed someone, etc.
http://www.spiderfan.org/faq/killed.html
And I'm fine with Spidey going over the edge EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE, so long as he does his best to keep his moral code. It's fine with me that Spidey killed Morlun... but EATING his head was over-the-top and ****ing STUPID.
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So anyway I had not been buying ASM for some time, well since The Other to be precise.
I had been reading it though, in the comic store up until CW#2 then I decided I had enough of even taking 15 mins of comic book day to speed read issues. Being a JMS hater, and then the unmasking, ASM was just too dumb to solicit any of my attention until it received a new creative team.
Last week I decided to read #538 & 539 to learn why the black costume returns.
They were an ok read not by any means great but ok. The main problem I have w/ the title now is the whole fallout of his secret ID being revealed. The decision for Spider-man to unmask was/is highly implausible, he would never have done it because he would know that this situation (family members being targeted) would arise. Whatever, some people will call ASM exciting and well written, I call it a pile of crap.
Spider-man swearing death on May’s assailants was a realistic reaction from him, but I did wonder about that cop he webbed to the wall when he went to investigate the snipers vantage point.
It looked like he could have very well suffocated him to death. Also Spidey’s mask did not get torn during the CW climax battle as it did in ASM#538, we can see this is the case in the final issue of CW.
Ron Garney has improved over the beginning of his run, though I think his Captain America is way better than his Spidey.
I have a few questions (btw if these have been addressed earlier in the thread I have only read the last two pages)
1) The webbed up black costume- Which issues did he web this up?
-Would not have the web disintegrated by now since it only lasts one hour?
-Is this the black duds from ASM Vol 2 #19? I’m pretty sure that was the last time he wore it…
2) So this new ASM arc is called Back in Black, OK. So why do SSM and FNSM also carry the label?
He has changed costumes in all books, so what?
Those books detail different arcs.
I had been reading it though, in the comic store up until CW#2 then I decided I had enough of even taking 15 mins of comic book day to speed read issues. Being a JMS hater, and then the unmasking, ASM was just too dumb to solicit any of my attention until it received a new creative team.
Last week I decided to read #538 & 539 to learn why the black costume returns.
They were an ok read not by any means great but ok. The main problem I have w/ the title now is the whole fallout of his secret ID being revealed. The decision for Spider-man to unmask was/is highly implausible, he would never have done it because he would know that this situation (family members being targeted) would arise. Whatever, some people will call ASM exciting and well written, I call it a pile of crap.
Spider-man swearing death on May’s assailants was a realistic reaction from him, but I did wonder about that cop he webbed to the wall when he went to investigate the snipers vantage point.
It looked like he could have very well suffocated him to death. Also Spidey’s mask did not get torn during the CW climax battle as it did in ASM#538, we can see this is the case in the final issue of CW.
Ron Garney has improved over the beginning of his run, though I think his Captain America is way better than his Spidey.
I have a few questions (btw if these have been addressed earlier in the thread I have only read the last two pages)
1) The webbed up black costume- Which issues did he web this up?
-Would not have the web disintegrated by now since it only lasts one hour?
-Is this the black duds from ASM Vol 2 #19? I’m pretty sure that was the last time he wore it…
2) So this new ASM arc is called Back in Black, OK. So why do SSM and FNSM also carry the label?
He has changed costumes in all books, so what?
Those books detail different arcs.
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Newsarama.com's Joe Q. interview takes care of one of your questions. A fan asked him about the webbing only lasting for so long, so that either the web dissolves and the costume is lost or the webbing now lasts forever and the aforementioned cop is dead from suffocation. Joe's answer was that Peter can control the "lengthiness" of the webbing somehow? I believe Joe's answer was in relation to Peter's web-shooters and maybe he forgot now that he's got organics...kinda funny actually.
I just picked up ASM #539 and SSM #35-36. The whole multiple Spider-Man personalities got me interested in SSM finally but after reading both issues, the artwork (to me) is horrible, so I doubt I'll bother finishing that story arc. And ASM #539 was sort of anti-climactic after May being shot in the previous issue. Peter beating up gun runners in a yellow polo shirt just wasn't the sort of action I was looking for. There's another problem I have with the unmasking, will it lead to more fighting with Peter in just is street clothes because he doesn't need the mask anymore?
I just picked up ASM #539 and SSM #35-36. The whole multiple Spider-Man personalities got me interested in SSM finally but after reading both issues, the artwork (to me) is horrible, so I doubt I'll bother finishing that story arc. And ASM #539 was sort of anti-climactic after May being shot in the previous issue. Peter beating up gun runners in a yellow polo shirt just wasn't the sort of action I was looking for. There's another problem I have with the unmasking, will it lead to more fighting with Peter in just is street clothes because he doesn't need the mask anymore?
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I know this has probably been discussed here already but I just read the JQ Q&A and TMOB asked him that stuff. Cool. JMS answered the costume webbed to the building Q arguing that an unmodified batch of web fluid could potentially last forever or something, yeah right.
Though not saying what exact costume it was and when it exactly was webbed up there, which is what I am also interested in.
Just making stuff up is a cop out.
If theres a costume webbed to a building that Spidey is recovering, then I want it to have been webbed up there in a previous issue.
Also JMS answer was a cop out for the suffocating cop question, saying Spidey did not web over his nose and mouth. Point is PP would not need to- if the webbing was sealed around edges of the wall then eventually the cop runs out of air. Simple.
Though not saying what exact costume it was and when it exactly was webbed up there, which is what I am also interested in.
Just making stuff up is a cop out.
If theres a costume webbed to a building that Spidey is recovering, then I want it to have been webbed up there in a previous issue.
Also JMS answer was a cop out for the suffocating cop question, saying Spidey did not web over his nose and mouth. Point is PP would not need to- if the webbing was sealed around edges of the wall then eventually the cop runs out of air. Simple.
