The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Based on ASM2's box office and quality, was rebooting a mistake?

[Shikamaru]

It is natural for people to get up in arms about a reboot so soon. People grow attached to stories, and it sucks to see them thrown away so the slate can be clean again.

If this was the Star Wars thread, this would be the understatement of the year.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

If this was the Star Wars thread, this would be the understatement of the year.

Hey, if tearing down the EU means Chewie gets to live, then I'm all for it.

 

[Visualiza]

Hey, if tearing down the EU means Chewie gets to live, then I'm all for it.

Touché

 

[The Flea]

Too crammed and no development for the villains. Raimis had that for the most part.

Like Emma, Andrew and Dane and they do exactly what Webb needed them to do and their relationships are great..much like Raimis cast did.

Different Feels, but think Raimis had more heart.

If it was up to me I would have ALL marvel licenses go back to Marvel though to be honest

 

[chaseter]

So far, The Amazing Spider-Man has given us the cocksure Spidey of the comics and a retread of the origin story, which is fine by me. But the films - far too flawed to be great in my opinion - wouldn't be suffering from mixed to lukewarm reception if they been great films. That's the key thing: a successful reboot of a beloved franchise has to be GREAT to convince its audience that it was a good idea. That was how BB and CR won so many people over.

That's exactly it. At the end of the day, they failed to up the ante and make as good or better of a product than their predecessor. Sony/Webb has failed to do that thus far and they imo don't deserve a third shot...Sony especially. The reviews and box office turnout is the proof of that. This is the third mediocre Spider-Man movie in a row. That's not good. I have no idea why people are excited to see ASM3 or their spinoff universe movies. It's just going to be more crap. Spider-Man is in a sharp decline and I don't see the current status quo changing that for the better. All I can hope for now is that this movie bombs and Marvel gets back the rights and Andrew goes along for the ride with them.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

We're going to blame the crap Batman movies on recasts? Spidey and Batman should be able to tell decades of stories without retelling stories. No cast is going to stick around that long. Rather than see Harvey Dent become Two Face AGAIN, I'd rather just recast Batman...assume that everything that Bale did actually happened...and make a new Batman movie. Same with Spidey. You don't have to start over with a powerless Peter just because a new actor stepped into the role.

you cannot deny that that definitely had something to do with it. there were a lot of things wrong with those movies but having 3 different consecutive batmans in a single series was awful

 

[Spider-Vader]

I prefer the ASM series to the Rami movies, but I don't feel they're as good as they could be. Garfield is an amazing Spider-Man & Stone was a great Gwen, but I don't feel the rest of the movies are as great as the likes of The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Avengers, etc... They feel pretty average besides Garfield/Stone.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Nah. Just more revisionist history based off Spider-Man 3. I guess this is to be expected on this forum, and in this thread in particular. I mean, a camp-fest with horrible acting? No. Just no. That's more like The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

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MMMM...NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL ACTING: 2002.

I think Spider-Man 2 has aged decently, but the original is so hard to get through. Now I don't think the ASM series will hold up well either, I do think it'll do better than the Rami films.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Not that I'm 100% unsatisfied with Webb's movies, but my preference is to the Raimi series. Spider-Man 3 was lackluster sure, but I still would have seen another after. Oh well, not the way it ended up.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The poll is certainly interesting.

It seems most like the series, they just don't talk about it as much as those who don't

 

[Human Torch]

What would've been more compelling would be a poll with either Raimi's SM 4 or Webb's reboots as options.

Still,as it stands now,the poll is only 56 for Webb 44 something other than Webb.

Mother Hubbard!

 

[iham32]

Which would have been the most successful??? Sure ain't what they have put out with TASM 2.

 

[optimus2861]

Disclaimer: I haven't seen TASM2 yet, but the reviews are sadly about what I expected.

My answer to this question, and it's unchanged from before I saw TASM, is that Spider-Man should simply have been allowed to lay dormant for a decade or so. I'm aware of Sony's "problem" w.r.t. to the Spidey film rights, so I know this was never a realistic option, but it's what should have been done in an ideal world. Let the Raimi films fade back into the past, let the demand for a new Spidey film grow over time, and then take the time to get a reboot done right.

Instead we've gotten a rushed rebooted continuity that just isn't good enough to justify it as anything other than a rights-preserving cash grab. It needed to be Batman Begins/TDK level of quality to justify it in its own right, and it just ain't there.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have liked the new movies, I honestly, but they havent come NEAR the quality of Raimi's 1st 2 Spiderman movies and for me thats a problem, as you should only re-boot so soon if you can improve on what the old movies did. And these new ones havent really with a couple of exceptions.

I still think they should have moved forward with another trilogy with Raimi, Maguire and Dunst, et al, as that franchise just seemed far from over. I personally dont think Spiderman 3 was that bad either, it was the worst of the that series but it wasnt as bad as X-Men 3 or X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and the X-franchise has since moved on and recovered from those poor movies greatly with FC and TW both being really good, and DOFP looking amazing.

If that franchise could recover from two poor movies, the Raimi Spidey franchise would have had an easier time recovering and getting back on track after Spiderman 3 IMO.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've decided that, in my ideal world, SM4 would have happened (the version Raimi wanted to make) and the Raimi series would have ended better. From there, I would have liked loose sequels with a new cast.

That being said, I don't think rebooting was their mistake. I think the movies themselves could have been better, and that is the mistake that was made. Sony has made questionnable decisions with the property, and TASM2 in particular. If these movies were better, I think they'd be more accepted by both the GA and the Raimi fans.

That is just me, though.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I have liked the new movies, I honestly, but they havent come NEAR the quality of Raimi's 1st 2 Spiderman movies and for me thats a problem, as you should only re-boot so soon if you can improve on what the old movies did. And these new ones havent really with a couple of exceptions.

I still think they should have moved forward with another trilogy with Raimi, Maguire and Dunst, et al, as that franchise just seemed far from over. I personally dont think Spiderman 3 was that bad either, it was the worst of the that series but it wasnt as bad as X-Men 3 or X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and the X-franchise has since moved on and recovered from those poor movies greatly with FC and TW both being really good, and DOFP looking amazing.

If that franchise could recover from two poor movies, the Raimi Spidey franchise would have had an easier time recovering and getting back on track after Spiderman 3 IMO.

I think that another issue with the Raimi films is that they wrote themselves into a corner. They killed off a lot of of the villains and I don't think it could have lasted more than 1 or 2 films. Otherwise it's just one film popping up in each movie, Spider-Man defeating him, and moving on. But Spider-Man 4 should have been made. They could have shown Dylan Baker's Lizard (even though that wasn't the plan), have Peter and MJ get married, and finally have Peter tell Aunt May that he is Spider-Man.

 

[Human Torch]

I think they may have written themselves into a corner with the Pete/MJ relationship.They were the romantic focus of the series so there was no place for Black Cat,Gwen or Betty Brant.

I could care less about Venom,but they could've easily salvaged Doc Ock.There was no real conformation he was dead.At least in the comics that could qualify for a return.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I honestly don't think killing the villains off was a big deal. Especially when Doc Ock died off screen and could comeback. Spider-Man has a plethora of villains. They could have kept that going.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I've decided that, in my ideal world, SM4 would have happened (the version Raimi wanted to make) and the Raimi series would have ended better. From there, I would have liked loose sequels with a new cast.

That being said, I don't think rebooting was their mistake. I think the movies themselves could have been better, and that is the mistake that was made. Sony has made questionnable decisions with the property, and TASM2 in particular. If these movies were better, I think they'd be more accepted by both the GA and the Raimi fans.

That is just me, though.

I do think rebooting was a mistake, specifically completely redoing the origin as opposed to Peter being Spider-Man at the beginning.

However, the decisions that you described were even bigger mistakes. If ASM2 was great, the fact that the series was rebooted would have been forgotten.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I do think rebooting was a mistake, specifically completely redoing the origin as opposed to Peter being Spider-Man at the beginning.

However, the decisions that you described were even bigger mistakes. If ASM2 was great, the fact that the series was rebooted would have been forgotten.

100% agree. If this film had the same buzz as something like Captain America 2 did, then Spidey fans would have been satisfied and we'd be singing Sony's praises right now. Fans and doubters alike. But, that didn't happen because of issues with the film itself and trying to do too much and losing focus of the big picture on this particular film (not the franchise).

 

[DeathChill]

I enjoyed both TASM and TASM2.

I think TASM nailed the casting and all the personal interactions between the main cast are great. Spider-Man has never been so awesome in costume on-screen. His wisecracks, his look and movements; all amazing. The villains and poor plotting are the real issues. Basically, they need better writers.

I don't think the reboot was a mistake. Webb and co. nailed the main aspects of Spider-Man in a way we haven't seen before. The problem is that the same attention isn't given to the villains. Just hire GOOD writers and I think a great movie could be churned out. No more popcorn movie writers.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I honestly don't think killing the villains off was a big deal. Especially when Doc Ock died off screen and could comeback. Spider-Man has a plethora of villains. They could have kept that going.

Doc Ock was as dead as a doorknob. No way he would ever come back. But Norman got impaled by his own glider in the comics and came back so I think they could have worked with that at some point.

 

[Spooderman]

I think they may have written themselves into a corner with the Pete/MJ relationship.They were the romantic focus of the series so there was no place for Black Cat,Gwen or Betty Brant.

I could care less about Venom,but they could've easily salvaged Doc Ock.There was no real conformation he was dead.At least in the comics that could qualify for a return.

He looked pretty dead to me. Plus it would be hard to see him as a villain again, unless they want to regress his character.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Killing Venom off so quickly was a huge mistake. Made me want to bang my head against a wall.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Doc Ock was as dead as a doorknob. No way he would ever come back. But Norman got impaled by his own glider in the comics and came back so I think they could have worked with that at some point.

He floated in the water. Easy fix. At the top of my head, as he was unconscious (or even dead in the water), his body "died" which allowed the AI to take full control of his body. That is just at the top of my head, also.