The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Based on ASM2's box office and quality, was rebooting a mistake?

[Human Torch]

Well,it's not like the harbor police found his bloated body in the water,looked into the camera and proclaimed "This man is DEAD!"

I think they could've brought him back if they really wanted to.

 

[Picard Sisko]

He floated in the water. Easy fix. At the top of my head, as he was unconscious (or even dead in the water), his body "died" which allowed the AI to take full control of his body. That is just at the top of my head, also.

Doc Ock is a human being, and he drowned. He was dead and lifeless. If they brought him back then he would be a lifeless body being controlled by AI. That would be awful.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well,it's not like the harbor police found his bloated body in the water,looked into the camera and proclaimed "This man is DEAD!"

I think they could've brought him back if they really wanted to.

There is no way Octavious would have survived. He drowned, end of story.

 

[Human Torch]

There is no way Octavious would have survived. He drowned, end of story.

That's more than we are told.So,no.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That's more than we are told.So,no.

If thinking that Doc Ock is still alive makes you happy, then so be it.

 

[Visualiza]

I honestly don't think killing the villains off was a big deal. Especially when Doc Ock died off screen and could comeback. Spider-Man has a plethora of villains. They could have kept that going.

It isn't a big deal. 007 has been killing most of his villains for over 50 years...still going strong (stronger than ever, some would say). Also, Spider-Man has one of the richest rogues galleries in the genre, as you mentioned. The character certainly isn't starving for good villains, and plenty of franchises, especially recently, have shown that they can bounce back from creative missteps. The Fast franchise is, for me anyway, probably the best example of this. I hated every single on of those movies until the fifth one, which blew me away to the point where I was questioning whether this was indeed that same franchise.

I'll go ahead and declare that X-Men has been redeemed after First Class, and although I didn't particularly care for The Wolverine, it was a step in the right direction and nowhere near the abomination that Origins was. In all fairness, the next one, two, or even ten movies in this franchise could be stellar for all I know. If it took Vin Diesel & Co. five movies to get it right, then it could certainly happen to any other property...but the difference here is that I was always indifferent towards those movies...I wasn't invested in them. I would only ever watch them tagging along with friends or colleagues. I'm an avid fan of Spider-Man, so in this case, my faith has been shaken to the core, and I don't have any reason to believe that things will get any better. I surely hope it does, because I'm the type of person who will forgive the mistakes of the previous entries if the forthcoming movies start to pick up steam, as DoFP seems to be doing. Of course, that remains to be seen. May be an even bigger blunder than this movie was, but I hope not.

Captain America just can't be the only good genre flick this year. I've gotta say though, it's nice to be able to say something like that, if nothing else. Fifteen or twenty years ago I wouldn't even be wondering if Hollywood were tossing the idea of a comic book movie around. Kinda feel spoiled...but I'm rambling now, so I'm done.

 

[Human Torch]

If thinking that Doc Ock is still alive makes you happy, then so be it.

As far as the movie was concerned,he was dead,but there was nothing to say he couldn't have been rescued before drowning had they wanted to use him for a sequel.

Hell,Prof X was turned to ash and he's starring in a new movie.It's the comic book genre.Relax.

 

[AnneFan]

There is no way Octavious would have survived. He drowned, end of story.

Have to agree. The last we see Otto, he's lifeless and descending deeper and deeper. A return wouldn't have gelled with SM2's finale. His arc was completed. He regained control of his mind and died on his own terms.

 

[Picard Sisko]

As far as the movie was concerned,he was dead,but there was nothing to say he couldn't have been rescued before drowning had they wanted to use him for a sequel.

Hell,Prof X was turned to ash and he's starring in a new movie.It's the comic book genre.Relax.

Why are you telling me to relax? lol

 

[Picard Sisko]

Have to agree. The last we see Otto, he's lifeless and descending deeper and deeper. A return wouldn't have gelled with SM2's finale. His arc was completed. He regained control of his mind and died on his own terms.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Visualiza]

Have to agree. The last we see Otto, he's lifeless and descending deeper and deeper. A return wouldn't have gelled with SM2's finale. His arc was completed. He regained control of his mind and died on his own terms.

Although I completely agree, I think we all know that if the studio really wanted to, they could retcon that into oblivion. We've seen it happen before.

It would definitely cheapen his entire arc in SM2 though. I'd be completely against such an idea if it were on the table.

 

[chaseter]

Doc Ock was as dead as a doorknob. No way he would ever come back. But Norman got impaled by his own glider in the comics and came back so I think they could have worked with that at some point.

That's like saying Norman is dead in ASM2 and he will never come back because you saw him die. A simple shot of the arms waking up and dragging him onto shore and starting back up his heart is simple. If they wanted to, Ock would be back. But, that would diminish the story. Spider-Man has a bazillion bad guys so it really doesn't matter.

 

[chaseter]

There is no way Octavious would have survived. He drowned, end of story.

Norman is dead in ASM2. End of story.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That's like saying Norman is dead in ASM2 and he will never come back because you saw him die. A simple shot of the arms waking up and dragging him onto shore and starting back up his heart is simple. If they wanted to, Ock would be back. But, that would diminish the story. Spider-Man has a bazillion bad guys so it really doesn't matter.

Except we never see Norman die on screen. And the causes of death for both characters are very different. But we're beating a dead horse with this Doc Ock thing and I think we need to get back on topic.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Norman is dead in ASM2. End of story.

He "dies" off screen and from a disease. We also know there was a deleted scene with his head being cryogenically frozen. Norman coming back to life fits his character anyway...

 

[chaseter]

Ock has died too sooooooooo

 

[Human Torch]

Except we never see Norman die on screen. And the causes of death for both characters are very different. But we're beating a dead horse with this Doc Ock thing and I think we need to get back on topic.

We never see Otto die on screen either.It's implied.

Might just as well say Sam drowned in LOTR,because we saw him sinking with his eyes open.

If they made a sequel that began with someone reaching out and saving him from the bay,it would be less difficult to accept than Prof X coming back to life from being the contents of an ashtray or Coulson coming back from getting stabbed clear through the heart.

That's all i'm saying.

 

[ironman29758]

We never see Otto die on screen either.It's implied.

Might just as well say Sam drowned it LOTR,because we saw him sinking with his eyes open.

If they made a sequel that began with someone reaching out and saving him from the bay,it would be less difficult to accept than Prof X coming back to life from being the contents of an ashtray or Coulson coming back from getting stabbed clear through the heart.

That's all i'm saying.

I kind of agree and disagree

Xavier in an after end credits scene of X3 was shown to be alive by putting his conscious in a brain dead man

Norman in TASM is a little less clear cut as you're told he's dead instead of shown and like Nick Fury said unless there is a body, don't be totally sure(I'm paraphrasing of course).

Phil Sheldon, had the benefit of having a whole season to explain how he survived and came back to life but I wouldn't mind if he stayed dead either even though I'm mad he had to be sacrificed in order to make the Avengers come together although it did make sense

Doc Ock you seem him essentially at peace deep in the river with his eyes wide open, to me I took it as he's dead and he's at peace. I would be interest , but it would have been a copout since his story was a small linear story and he redeemed himself so it would be out of character if he became a evil character without being under control of the tentacle A.I. That's a huge implied that he's died.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

How funny this thread became.

 

[The Joker]

If thinking that Doc Ock is still alive makes you happy, then so be it.

These quotes may interest you:

Will we see Doc Ock again? “There’s no way of knowing. I think that really depends on the audiences. If the audiences come back and say ‘I love Doc Ock’, then I’m sure the way things are in comic books, in this particular Marvel Comic universe, you don’t die, you just disappear for a while. He may well come back. If audiences say, ‘who was the weird guy with the tentacles, we could’ve done without him,’ then he probably won’t come back. I always loved the character. I always thought it was a really interesting character. I remember Doc Ock from when I was a kid collecting Marvel Comics. I hope audiences dig it.”

http://www.superherohype.com/features/86003-interview-alfred-molina-on-playing-doc-ock

"[But] at the 'Spider-Man 2' premiere in London, I turned around to one of the producers and said, 'It's a real shame that I died, because I would've loved to do another one of these.' And he said, 'Oh, characters don't die in this universe, they just disappear.'"

And as any comics fan will tell you, that statement has proven true time and time again in the pages of nearly every long-running series. So, while it's certainly a remote possibility, the fact that "Spider-Man 2" is widely regarded as one of the best films in the franchise could mean a return appearance for Doc Ock isn't entirely out of the question.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/06/1...urn-as-doctor-octopus-in-future-spidey-films/

 

[spider-neil]

Norman is dead in ASM2. End of story.

Don't think he is to be honest, especially with the green supermarket check out lazer scanning the wall where he slept.

 

[chaseter]

I was making a point.

 

[chaseter]

Redlettermedia's review is up.

 

[DigificWriter]

Norman's death in TASM2 was intended to be real; it just wasn't intended to be permanent.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I know I'm late but...

As much as I once wanted or hoped for a SM4 with Raimi, I am pleasantly surprised by this reboot. It was not a mistake, imo.