Batman: Arkham Origins - Part 2

[Benstamania]

I didn't mind his death, and Batman carrying him out would have been fine with me if it wasn't for the fact that he ditched Talia, the woman he supposedly loved, in the theater.

Yeah, that whole Joker thing was just... Odd.

 

[Nathan]

I didn't mind his death, and Batman carrying him out would have been fine with me if it wasn't for the fact that he ditched Talia, the woman he supposedly loved, in the theater.

That was so bad. One of his worst enemies. Totally psychotic, responsible for the death of Jason Todd and cribbling Barbara, and he caringly carries him out. And is taken aback by his death apparently. But Talia doesn't get a fraction of the same attention.

 

[the last son]

I hated the carrying him out. It was despicable. I hated it as soon as it happened, but was flamed for not understanding Batman. Lol if Batman has any sympathy towards the joker then I guess I don't understand the character

 

[the last son]

Another issue of the game, can we please break this the game has to take place in one night business?

 

[Doc Ock]

Dang,I feel like the only one that really enjoyed the stories in the last two Batman games

I sure did, I'd take it over the Nolan films anyday. Although the overall story of Asylum was much better than City. But the story isn't what I necessarily liked about City but the amount of characters and exploring the world of Batman. Arkham City had so much in it I think the overall story was sacrificed.

 

[Two-Face]

Well I like Nolan films a lot mre if we compare the stories but both are different media.

 

[DareDemon]

That was so bad. One of his worst enemies. Totally psychotic, responsible for the death of Jason Todd and cribbling Barbara, and he caringly carries him out. And is taken aback by his death apparently. But Talia doesn't get a fraction of the same attention.

That is majorly messed up, which is why I assume Talia is alive and ran away. Or someone took her body during the fight and brought her back. I want her alive anyway, so screw it.

 

[The Joker]

I always assumed they were trying to recreate this scene:

But at least in that scene Batman throws Joker into a dumpster lol. Not lay him gently on the hood of a Police car.

 

[v.waltzer]

Or this:

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[Nathan]

Another issue of the game, can we please break this the game has to take place in one night business?

Definitely. Why can't these games span longer time frames than a single night? I'd like a story that spans a few weeks, maybe months. Like you play one story arc, then it cuts away and says '1 week later'. I love these games, but it's kinda crazy and immersion breaking, when you spend 20-40 hours on these games, and it's supposed to be a single night. Give me a story arc that spans several weeks, or maybe only a couple days, with the final act taking place on a single night.

 

[Drz]

Nah Batman carrying the Joker was suppose to be syyyyymbooooliiiism on Cain and Abel.

 

[The Joker]

Cain and Abel were brothers, and Cain killed Abel. Batman and Joker were not brothers, and Batman didn't kill Joker.

So if that was meant to be symbolic of Cain and Abel it's not a good one.

 

[Nathan]

But at least in that scene Batman throws Joker into a dumpster lol.

Ha! Nice.

I wish they would have tried to recreate Burton's scene. With the Joker just lying on the ground and the Police gathering around his corpse. You see Batman in the distance, carrying Talia away, and like in the game, Gordan asks "What happened?".

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[zenith16]

yeah but the writers these days don't care about having our fave heroes treat their lady's right (and vis versa)and would rather have them show more respect for their arch enemy in a way that dumb founds us all. Especially the ones at in the comic industry.(also cause they don't how to write a real relationship these days well functional one ) I always found that freaking weird of them. that most relationships are just there cause it's a vicarious issue for them to have the heroes just all sleep around on each other now.

To them those relationships aren't as important as they used to be (where some writers did have them care) or what we like to see these heroes as human beings. it's kinda like when Matt Damon mentioned the difference between Jason Borne and what was thought about old School James bond when it came to relationships with women and how those characters treated them. "I'd rather like Jason Borne."

 

[Drz]

So if that was meant to be symbolic of Cain and Abel it's not a good one.

The game opens with the painting of Cain and Abel, hence why people are pointing it out.

 

[The Joker]

The game opens with the painting of Cain and Abel, hence why people are pointing it out.

I know, but that was in reference to Two Face's obsession with two's. In this case the twins, Cain and Abel.

 

[Two-Face]

Why would Two-Face have the painting of them?

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I agree it was bad symbolism but it was clearly meant to be symbolism. The game opens and closes with that image and the game briefly touches on the idea that Batman and Joker need each other.

 

[zenith16]

It's a twisted way of saying two sides of the same coin. one bad one good. Their twins so their sorta the same. bad reference yes. joker is batman greatest foe. but... oh and lets not forget how they keep saying how your enemy's will define you.

And we all know who most defined batman in the comic's. as Upsetspidey just said.

 

[Shikamaru]

Been reading over the past few pages. To address some users:

Other than Bane, I thought all the characterizations were for the most part spot on. I agree that the line "Gordon is smarter than I thought" was out of character for Batman but I don't see how that line ruins Batman's entire character in these games.

Also, Ra's did not need Strange to figure out Batman's identity. They each separately knew prior to the story.

As for why Batman left Talia's body there, Talia's body was gone during the fight with Clayface. There was no body to carry out, much like the body of Ra's. The LoA probably took both of them.

As for Batman carrying the Joker out, despite his deep hatred for him, Batman always felt a bit of sympathy from the Joker. In The Killing Joke, he tries to reform him both before and after Barbara was paralyzed, even sharing a laugh with him at the end. Some writers have even suggested and/or implied that Batman has been fighting the Joker for so long that he has grown a bit of sympathy for him. This is due to both men essentially being the same. As some posters have already said, they're each one side of the same coin. They're both people that have been driven insane by horrible events that took place in their lives.

 

[Jick]

I don't think I'll ever be able to go past Batman having a laugh with the Joker in The Killing Joke after what happened. I still hate that moment.

 

[Benstamania]

I always assumed they were trying to recreate this scene:

But at least in that scene Batman throws Joker into a dumpster lol. Not lay him gently on the hood of a Police car.

that was a fantastic moment, dumpster thing. I absolutely hate when some writers act as if Batman and Joker need each other (which is what I got out of the ending.)


I fully believe the Joker should *need* Batman.. Which is why I like the idea of Joker tormenting him.. yet never killing him, or never really caring about who Batman is under the mask.

However, Batman doesn't need the Joker..Feels sorry for him? Sure, at times.. but doesn't Need him.

 

[zenith16]

All true Bens, but it's the same reason most writers have batman not letting or allowing him let joker die be it his or anyone Else's hands while it's in front of him. which if you look at Injustice.... it's another phone home to that. (Not really saying bat man should by the way, it just explains some things on what the real deal is with that there.)

That and there's other issues like having a good enough replacement,(the real reason for it other then just being decent and helping the person that is insane . but can't be helped or reformed cause he's / she too far gone. ) that and having the fan base that will actually agree up on this(having him replaced) what has plagued other certain writers, with some certain characters in other medium as well and trying to introduce a new character to fill the void or have one of the ones already there to fill that void. And why some one like Joker comes back or they restart the universe just to have him around. Cause certain people have been made to see him(convinced) as irreplaceable for that reason.

If they would make any of the other villains step up more or be on equal footing with Joker, it wouldn't be so much of an issue. The same can be said with other characters also. It's about a void that needs to be filled , when you think about it. and when it can't be filled. Anyway it's that reason. Other wise batman shouldn't care in that way as you said other then having sympathy. But they made him to do so and it's still about the villain that defines the hero in a sense too.

It's also an excuse when you think about it, but it's the reason.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I always assumed they were trying to recreate this scene:

But at least in that scene Batman throws Joker into a dumpster lol. Not lay him gently on the hood of a Police car.

Don't remember Joker's part in that arc
Beats Batman carrying this guy and shouting at the doctors to give him top priority over everyone else *cough*Legends of the Dark Knight 200*cough*

 

[craigdbfan]

All of this talk reminds me of one of the most chilling moments in any Batman form of media I have ever seen/read. Still gives me goosebumps and no one answer as to why Batman reacts the way he does ever sits well with me. Great work by Moore as always:

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