Batman: Arkham Origins - Part 4

[Harrier]

TERRY MCGINNIS!

I've never understood the appeal of Batman Beyond when considering the character design and the way they depicted the future. No details on anything.

I'll never get how Batman fans could ever get behind some version of the character without a cape and with such weird design in general.

The idea of Bruce brining on a younger person to assume the mantle is an interesting concept, I just hate the style of Batman Begins and they way they depict "the future".

 

[Nathan]

I've never understood the appeal of Batman Beyond when considering the character design and the way they depicted the future. No details on anything.

I'll never get how Batman fans could ever get behind some version of the character without a cape and with such weird design in general.

The idea of Bruce brining on a younger person to assume the mantle is an interesting concept, I just hate the style of Batman Begins and they way they depict "the future".

 

[zenith16]

I've never understood the appeal of Batman Beyond when considering the character design and the way they depicted the future. No details on anything.

I'll never get how Batman fans could ever get behind some version of the character without a cape and with such weird design in general.

The idea of Bruce brining on a younger person to assume the mantle is an interesting concept, I just hate the style of Batman Begins and they way they depict "the future".

I'll say this and end it here. I think what they were always going for with Terry was that he'll have his own identity and style different from his genetic donor old man. As for when Bruce wore I think he was just being versatile and cause he was a man well past 90's or some close to that before he passed it on to Terry. he was just keeping up with the times.

It's possible at his old age the cap was getting in his way somehow. Otherwise he'd still wear it.

That series was always headed to terry being his own batman as they showed in return of the joker in look and personality. Not a Bruce copy. Or what people would write off a a ripoff . Otherwise it kinda does passing the torch pointless to certain people. And will make the transition differcutle
Not that anyone else would have been that ether it depend certain views and how it would have been executed.

It's like what they say in American Idol "Make the song your own." Don't sing it the absolute same way the person that fist sang it did it. Though a lot of people don't always pick up what this saying means. But I know I'm not the same person as my old man I have different likes from him like certain foods etc. And I do certain things approach wise he might not. I can only be me.

But that was what they were trying to kinda drive home there with Terry.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I'll say this and end it here. I think what they were always going for with Terry was that he'll have his own identity and style different from his genetic donor old man. As for when Bruce wore I think he was just being versatile and cause he was a man well past 90's or some close to that before he passed it on to Terry. he was just keeping up with the times.

It's possible at his old age the cap was getting in his way somehow. Otherwise he'd still wear it.

That series was always headed to terry being his own batman as they showed in return of the joker in look and personality. Not a Bruce copy. Or what people would write off a a ripoff . Otherwise it kinda does passing the torch pointless to certain people. And will make the transition differcutle
Not that anyone else would have been that ether it depend certain views and how it would have been executed.

It's like what they say in American Idol "Make the song your own." Don't sing it the absolute same way the person that fist sang it did it. Though a lot of people don't always pick up what this saying means. But I know I'm not the same person as my old man I have different likes from him like certain foods etc. And I do certain things approach wise he might not. I can only be me.

But that was what they were trying to kinda drive home there with Terry.

This is pretty much my thoughts.


It is also the perfect explanation of how DC Comics ruined Tim Drake as a character.

 

[jacobed]

Cool new villain. Really like that they have some obscure villains in this.

 

[zenith16]

This is pretty much my thoughts.


It is also the perfect explanation of how DC Comics ruined Tim Drake as a character.

if I remember at the time there was a story line with in Dc the actual comic's at the time that was dancing on the storyline of a bad future for Tim Drake which made it to the animated series. So in actuality that's why Tim ended up that way in the batman beyond movie. It was cause it was a possible future that was already set with in the comic's, most people that were keeping up with the comic's at that time would tell you about this, This is when most of the members of young justice were inducted into the titans. But it was from there actually and spilled into the Animated universe.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

if I remember at the time there was a story line with dc the actual comic's at the time that was dancing on the storyline of a bad future for Tim drake which made it to the animated series so in actuality that's why tim ended up that way in the batman beyond movie it was cause it was a possible future that was already set with in the comic's most people that were keeping up with the comic's at that time would tell you about this this is when most of the members of young justice were inducted into the titans .

Holy run-on sentence Batman!

But no, I was referring to what happened to Tim Drake in the comics, not the wonderful Return of the Joker film. After years and years of Chuck Dixon writing his series, introducing Spoiler as his love interest, and painstakingly crafting a character arc in which Tim establishes himself as wholly different from Dick and Jason, and does not plan to be like Bruce, and is a generally well-adjusted and geeky person, his father is crippled, his girlfriend is killed, his father is killed, his loving stepmum is renedered catatonic from the horror, his loving stepmum rendered catatonic from the horror is killed when Bludhaven is blown up, which also had a lot of Tim's friends there, his new father figure Bruce dies, and he goes on to become an unlikeable, uninteresting, and unloving distant figure exactly like Bruce, and generally acts like a dick to everyone. Character assassination at its finest.


Which is why I agree with you on Terry, and why also I dislike the retcon that Bruce was his genetic father. DC has an appalling habit of starting out with characters that are aimed to be different from their predecessors, only to undo that. The Arkham City Robin is a quasi-example, though his blandness and hilarious revamp look shone through more.

 

[zenith16]

Oh ok I see. it didn't bug me that much I see your point. But in most iterations of batman before a crisis event happens batman has fathered some one like Helena Kyle from the golden age by normal means and yeah he was the actual father to her he raised her etc.


There's Dameon now who is deceased or now. And then there's Terry and his baby bro via Cadmus. Terry's dad is still his dad it's just Cadmus manipulated things' cause they always wanted someone with Bruce's gene's around to help take on crime apparently he was special stock humanity wise. It's not like people with loose morals don't exist. Wow damn my spell check is acting wonky. My browser must want to crash. I hate that. he's not the first or only hero that had this happen to him or had his family manipulated ether hell Spiderman and Cyclops can tell you this even though joe q has the rest of marvel pretend that peters little girl doesn't exist in the main MU. but that's an example.

 

[Nathan]

Lord... they did that to Tim? Sons of *****es.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Lord... they did that to Tim? Sons of *****es.

Oh, it was much worse than that, I was only scratching the major losses off. But what they did to Tim, and even more so my favourite characters Steph and Cass, just made me give up on buying DC. Can't speak for the new 52, but from what I hear it's awful, Tim's parents are dead already (nice to know that this is a prerequisite for Robins) and Babs is not Oracle anymore, so scratch me off that list.

 

[zenith16]

Like I said they were doing a storyline where he had a dark future as bat man too though it was even in one of his profiles in the DCU Wika which DC owns. Before they had that time line head the way of day's of futures past. but I agree there's alot that was uncalled for but this seems to be the norm within the industry look at what they keep doing to peter parker and Scott summers it's ether make them jerks on the level worse then wolverine or try to kill them off and replace them with some that will act like a jerk or has mood problems cause we can't stand heroes wanting normal lives like having kid's or a family etc and so on. Anything that's normal or likeable about a character that a reader can relate to be damned.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Like I said they were doing a storyline where he had a dark future as bat man too thouh it was even in one of his profiles in the DCU Wika before they had thattime line head the way of day's of futures past.

Possibly. It has little bearing on how stupid was however.

 

[zenith16]

Possibly. It has little bearing on how stupid was however.

Well I'm not arguing that at all cause as I've said there's a lot I don't always agree with execution wise with the selective writing they do with these characters to make them become a certain way. No not everyone has to be the same . But some certain writers and people don't get this.

Also when they try these things a lot of the stuff that they use to lead up to it is poorly done some(most) times too. But what can you do? I don't mind a dark path but man they know how to mess stuff up . Sometimes they do that at really late time as well, when in actually it shouldn't be relevant any more.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

but what can you do?

Well, I stopped buying comics, except Batwoman. Which will stop soon now since Williams and co are leaving the book because of DC Mandates. However, I do see what you are saying, and why it was done, but it does little to assuage the awfulness of both the goal and the execution.

 

[zenith16]

I agree there are a lot of executions that are done terribly but they keep pushing them as if they are good thing's in the comics industry. There are just some people that shouldn't be in charge over there. Both at Marvel and DC.

But I digress. As for the Terry thing I accept him and his bro for what it is. I see it like this Bruce has three adopted son's from Dick to Tim and three (sorry 4 ) kid's from his bloodline which he sorta fathered.

Which isn't too terrible to play around with story wise . And a lot can be done with that. If done right. Be it as a replacement for himself or to use in a variety of other ways. It just depends on how it's done.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

So who is your favourite member of the Batfamily zenith16?

 

[zenith16]

I like to say I like alot of them. But I seem At least next to terry to lean to Night wing most. Most people that have played with me on DCUO would tell you that. But my preference isn't that heavy on him. As I like a lot of them. I like batman just as much. I guess it's like with most comics, it depends on who's writing them and how well it's done it story wise.

 

[Broseph44]

I was hoping for Lady Shiva, but it's OK.

She will still be in the game So no worries

 

[Drakepool]

You guys, here's Troy Baker performing a Joker monologue from The Killing Joke:

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAn49oUtHJE[/YT]

 

[Broseph44]

You guys, here's Troy Baker performing a Joker monologue from The Killing Joke:

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAn49oUtHJE[/YT]

Watched this a few mins ago. So badass he sounds amazing.

 

[zenith16]

Yeah I just saw that. It's at an article with Ign saying the next assassin was revealed and it's the electricutioner. Which is where batman picked up the gear to make the electric shock gloves. Yet that's the video they have up on that article.

 

[The Joker]

You guys, here's Troy Baker performing a Joker monologue from The Killing Joke:

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAn49oUtHJE[/YT]

That was awesome

 

[Broseph44]

So glad this comes out on a Friday. Will be played all weekend long haha.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I wonder if this will come out 3 days early in Aus like it did with Asylum and City. That was awesome.

 

[jacobed]

Man Baker sounds so damn good