Batman Begins Batman Begins vs. Superman The Movie ( 1978).

[darknight7]

Well, time to jump to another thread, than BEEEEEEEEDDD!!! lol

Peace guys, goodnight

--dk7

 

[iceberg325]

Ahhh, I understand what you mean. Well than overrated wasn't the word I was looking for, I guess I just think he is given more credit than he deserves (just my opinion).

All I was trying to say was that if Reeve is overrated (according to that other dude) than why? That's all.

But I totally know what you mean, and I agree that it is just personal taste.

--dk7

Bale gets the credit he does because he redefined Batman. Lets go down the list of former batmans and there respective movies/show.

Adam West: For its time the show was entertaining. West played Batman OK, but it was too comical for me.

Keaton: The first Batman movie was a classic. Batman Returns wasnt as good, but it was good. Keatin did an excellent job on him.

Kilmer: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats all I have to say about that.

Clooney: That movie is so forgetable. Clooney was horrible.

Bale: Batman Begins IMO is the best comic movie of all time. Nolan really depicted Batman as "the dark knight". Bale played Bruce and Batman perfectly. I couldnt have asked for it to be any different.

Its not Bales fault he talks with a lisp. You cant discredit his performance for that. Batman Begins took the series to a whole new level. CLASSIC!!!

 

[Whack Arnolds]

hahahaha

jesus.

he's not overrated. you don't like it.

it's like POTC or titanic. people say Pirates Of The Caribbean is overrated. No it's not. You just don't like it. Why? because it's widely loved by a **** load more people than who dislike it. Titanic on the other hand. Is the opposite. It is actually overrated. So Reeve is not overrated. Niether is Superman: The Movie

haha, Why don't we take your own idea on this subject and apply it to "Titanic".

And Titanic is overrated, because?....



You don't like it? Riiight, exactly. Who says I don't like Chris Reeve?

There is nothing that seperates him from a George Reeves as far as potrayl goes. THAT's why I find him overrated. And as for S:TM, it's decent, but I could make it sounds ridiculous by breaking down all the idotic things that happen in the film. I mean, the ending as a whole just makes the entire movie ****ing SUCK. It negates everything done in the movie. He could have just kept flying around the world, turning back time...and then actually save his father. There are many instances where it is just a mess. I respect the fact that others like it, but that doesn't mean that I can't consider it overrated. It all boils down to opinion anyway. You do realize this, correct? There is no gauge to tell whether something is overrated or not. So it boils down to personal preference, and opinion. So, esentially no one is correct on the subject matter.

 

[iceberg325]

haha, Why don't we take your own idea on this subject and apply it to "Titanic".

And Titanic is overrated, because?....



You don't like it? Riiight, exactly. Who says I don't like Chris Reeve?

There is nothing that seperates him from a George Reeves as far as potrayl goes. THAT's why I find him overrated. And as for S:TM, it's decent, but I could make it sounds ridiculous by breaking down all the idotic things that happen in the film. I mean, the ending as a whole just makes the entire movie ****ing SUCK. It negates everything done in the movie. He could have just kept flying around the world, turning back time...and then actually save his father. There are many instances where it is just a mess. I respect the fact that others like it, but that doesn't mean that I can't consider it overrated. It all boils down to opinion anyway. You do realize this, correct? There is no gauge to tell whether something is overrated or not. So it boils down to personal preference, and opinion. So, esentially no one is correct on the subject matter.

The spinning around the world part was horrible along with the scene where he flys down to the san andreas fault line and lifts it back up and it magically retores itself to its original state. That was so cheesy lol.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ya know.....I think every comic film has those moments.

For what it's worth, it's getting less and less occurance.

Still.....I can never get over that damn plastic S shield Superman tossed in Superman II......I mean, talk about a mega WTF moment.....

 

[zer00]

haha, Why don't we take your own idea on this subject and apply it to "Titanic".

And Titanic is overrated, because?....



You don't like it? Riiight, exactly. Who says I don't like Chris Reeve?

There is nothing that seperates him from a George Reeves as far as potrayl goes. THAT's why I find him overrated. And as for S:TM, it's decent, but I could make it sounds ridiculous by breaking down all the idotic things that happen in the film. I mean, the ending as a whole just makes the entire movie ****ing SUCK. It negates everything done in the movie. He could have just kept flying around the world, turning back time...and then actually save his father. There are many instances where it is just a mess. I respect the fact that others like it, but that doesn't mean that I can't consider it overrated. It all boils down to opinion anyway. You do realize this, correct? There is no gauge to tell whether something is overrated or not. So it boils down to personal preference, and opinion. So, esentially no one is correct on the subject matter.

wow...you...missing a point and not paying attention

never

happens

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Batman Begins.

 

[Batty for Bats!]

I voted for both

 

[darknight7]

Bale gets the credit he does because he redefined Batman. Lets go down the list of former batmans and there respective movies/show.

Adam West: For its time the show was entertaining. West played Batman OK, but it was too comical for me.

Keaton: The first Batman movie was a classic. Batman Returns wasnt as good, but it was good. Keatin did an excellent job on him.

Kilmer: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats all I have to say about that.

Clooney: That movie is so forgetable. Clooney was horrible.

Bale: Batman Begins IMO is the best comic movie of all time. Nolan really depicted Batman as "the dark knight". Bale played Bruce and Batman perfectly. I couldnt have asked for it to be any different.

Its not Bales fault he talks with a lisp. You cant discredit his performance for that. Batman Begins took the series to a whole new level. CLASSIC!!!

I totally think he did a great job, no doubt there. I am not saying it made his performance bad. I am just saying, that in some parts of the movie, it throws you off. Because it just slips up, you know, and catches you off guard. And the only reason I brought that up, is because it was really annoying to listen to a lot of people who just say Bale was amazing with no arguement, and when you try to make a point they just disregard it. It hasn't happened in this thread, but it has happened to me so much. Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job, I just hate when people can't accept the fact that there are flaws you know.

--dk7

 

[iceberg325]

I totally think he did a great job, no doubt there. I am not saying it made his performance bad. I am just saying, that in some parts of the movie, it throws you off. Because it just slips up, you know, and catches you off guard. And the only reason I brought that up, is because it was really annoying to listen to a lot of people who just say Bale was amazing with no arguement, and when you try to make a point they just disregard it. It hasn't happened in this thread, but it has happened to me so much. Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job, I just hate when people can't accept the fact that there are flaws you know.

--dk7

I think no actor is perfect. There will always be flaws. As far as talent goes, Bale did a better job than any other Batman. That is why he is probably held in such high regards.

I happened to watch the movie last night, and it just solidified my opinion of the best comic book movie so far.

 

[darknight7]

Ya, I totally agree with all the comments about Superman The Movie being cheesie. But technically you can't blame them. First off it is Superman (The American Boy Scout), and it was 1978. Things like him reversing the world and stuff always bothered me, until I learned to just respect it for being one those good ol' cheesey classic scenes in a movie. Also, because my English teacher explained to me something that actually made the whole Superman going back in time make sense.

He explained the whole theory about how Einstein said you can alter time, if you can move at the speed of light. (So if you consider Superman going at the speed of light at that part, than you can maybe bring yourself to beleive that it is not cheesey)

I can't help but love that scene, I love seeing Superman snap

--dk7

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Okay.....just for arguments sake......what would be the flaw of Christopher Reeve as Superman?

 

[iceberg325]

Ya, I totally agree with all the comments about Superman The Movie being cheesie. But technically you can't blame them. First off it is Superman (The American Boy Scout), and it was 1978. Things like him reversing the world and stuff always bothered me, until I learned to just respect it for being one those good ol' cheesey classic scenes in a movie. Also, because my English teacher explained to me something that actually made the whole Superman going back in time make sense.

He explained the whole theory about how Einstein said you can alter time, if you can move at the speed of light. (So if you consider Superman going at the speed of light at that part, than you can maybe bring yourself to beleive that it is not cheesey)

I can't help but love that scene, I love seeing Superman snap


--dk7

He could have just turned back time and stop Luther from changing the coordinates of the missles. It would have saved him some trouble lol.

 

[Image]

I prefer Batman Begins.

Bale gets the credit he does because he redefined Batman. Lets go down the list of former batmans and there respective movies/show.

Adam West: For its time the show was entertaining. West played Batman OK, but it was too comical for me.

Keaton: The first Batman movie was a classic. Batman Returns wasnt as good, but it was good. Keatin did an excellent job on him.

Kilmer: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats all I have to say about that.

Clooney: That movie is so forgetable. Clooney was horrible.

Bale: Batman Begins IMO is the best comic movie of all time. Nolan really depicted Batman as "the dark knight". Bale played Bruce and Batman perfectly. I couldnt have asked for it to be any different.

Its not Bales fault he talks with a lisp. You cant discredit his performance for that. Batman Begins took the series to a whole new level. CLASSIC!!!

I agree, but I think Kilmer did and ok job, but Keaton and Bale are Batman.

 

[darknight7]

I think no actor is perfect. There will always be flaws. As far as talent goes, Bale did a better job than any other Batman. That is why he is probably held in such high regards.

I happened to watch the movie last night, and it just solidified my opinion of the best comic book movie so far.

It is really well done. The story and everything was just so well done. And as for Bale, I think he is great, but I cannot say he is the best Batman, because I respect Keaton A LOT. Such a little man, who was not really intimidating, and he pulled it off so well, and looked crazy in the mask. Keaton is a great actor as well, and I can't compare B89 with BB, because they are very different. The times changed, technology changed, the played 2 totally different Batmans. ONE: The quiet, intense, mysterious Batman...and...TWO: The hot headed, more in your face scary Batman. I know Bale was really stealth. But in the next movie I would love to see him a bit more evolved into Batman, being his same self, just a bit more subtle.

So ya I agree, no actor is perfect, and a lot of the time it is opinion. So IMO, Bale and Keaton are the best Batman's to this day. (A lot of people don't like how Keaton played Batman, but really, it was a Burton film, he altered a lot of stuff.) I think Bale and Keaton were both pretty solid, and both intense

As for Routh, I am still waiting to see if he compares to Reeve. Because Reeve, for me, IS SUPERMAN.

*IMO*

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

Okay.....just for arguments sake......what would be the flaw of Christopher Reeve as Superman?

IMO, I can't think of any, but I am not saying he has none, I just don't see any. Because I think he was awesome.

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

He could have just turned back time and stop Luther from changing the coordinates of the missles. It would have saved him some trouble lol.

But than that would have left out the cheesey scene for Supes to lift up the fault line ...lol

--dk7

 

[iceberg325]

It is really well done. The story and everything was just so well done. And as for Bale, I think he is great, but I cannot say he is the best Batman, because I respect Keaton A LOT. Such a little man, who was not really intimidating, and he pulled it off so well, and looked crazy in the mask. Keaton is a great actor as well, and I can't compare B89 with BB, because they are very different. The times changed, technology changed, the played 2 totally different Batmans. ONE: The quiet, intense, mysterious Batman...and...TWO: The hot headed, more in your face scary Batman. I know Bale was really stealth. But in the next movie I would love to see him a bit more evolved into Batman, being his same self, just a bit more subtle.

So ya I agree, no actor is perfect, and a lot of the time it is opinion. So IMO, Bale and Keaton are the best Batman's to this day. (A lot of people don't like how Keaton played Batman, but really, it was a Burton film, he altered a lot of stuff.) I think Bale and Keaton were both pretty solid, and both intense

As for Routh, I am still waiting to see if he compares to Reeve. Because Reeve, for me, IS SUPERMAN.

*IMO*

--dk7

Keaton was great as Batman. I think if he was chosen to play it again for BB, he would have done a great job also.

I prefer the more stealthy Batman. It really scares the villians. I love that.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well.....I see Bale as being to Batman, what Reeve was to Superman.

Keaton again in BB? I don't think it would have worked....

 

[darknight7]

Bale and Keaton are just too different to compare. But than again, Keaton's Batman was more, settled in. It seemed as if he was Batman for many years already (although B89 is his first appearance sort of, because no one knows about him.)

The point is, they are way too different, but both amazing.

Keaton:
- Was always in the dark, his face dark, his eyes black.
- He said as little as possible, turned away from Vale when talking to her in the Batcave
- He was calm, and sure of what he was doing (the Batmobile chase, very quiet and almost sort of cocky)

Bale :
- In your face Batman, pretty much could see his full face everytime. He was very rarely "in the dark".
- Takes out 2 guys, and waits for Rachel to turn around so that he can talk to her (once again, face revealed in the light)
- Driving scene, very new at what he does, Unsure and risk taking.

So as you can see, they are almost oposite. This is why I think the sequals will be EVEN BETTER than Begins was. Because #1: they plan on making this next movie DARKER (from what I hear) and #2: Bale may play the more confident Batman since it is not his first time out.

--dk7

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well.....that's something I loved about Batman Begins.

**** happens.....Batman is not a super powered hero.....and part of what makes him so connected to us, is that he can be hurt.....he's human, ya know? He did get carried away in the chase....but he's a rookie.

 

[iceberg325]

Well.....that's something I loved about Batman Begins.

**** happens.....Batman is not a super powered hero.....and part of what makes him so connected to us, is that he can be hurt.....he's human, ya know? He did get carried away in the chase....but he's a rookie.

Yeah he'll be more seasoned in BB2 lol.

 

[darknight7]

Well.....that's something I loved about Batman Begins.

**** happens.....Batman is not a super powered hero.....and part of what makes him so connected to us, is that he can be hurt.....he's human, ya know? He did get carried away in the chase....but he's a rookie.

Oh ya, for sure. Don't get the wrong ideaI think it is cool that we got to see the rookie. All I am trying to say is, between Keaton and Bale, it is tough, because they played such different Batman's. Both of which were great, but in their own ways. It will be easier to compare Bale to Keaton once he plays the more matured Batman (if he does).

--dk7

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh no doubt, Keaton's got a special place in my heart. The man did things for the character that fans will forever be thankful for. Burton too.

If your a Batman comic fan, you'll get this analogy.

I see Burton/Keaton's BATMAN as the DARK KNIGHT RETURNS of the Batman films. Not exactly in terms of story, or anything like that. (frankly, I think it's more like THE KILLING JOKE, with focus of the Joker. But, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS sort of gave a kick in pants to Batman.....showed him at one of his most extremes....totally dark, gritty, and maybe even over the top. It hit people over the head with a very blunt "Batman's not supposed to be funny" hit....which I feel BATMAN was.

Batman Begins is probably more like a Denny O'neil......or Jeph Loeb Batman. Th Long Halloween, in terms of tone and direction. This is more like the Batman of comics.

 

[Texas Zombie]

chris reed and chris bale r da bomb there both awesome because begins gave it a feel that it might cood hapin and superman stared it all which makes it old skool wich rocks