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Batman/Bruce Wayne Casting Thread - Part 3

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Or...you know, he can't play an old-money Scottish guy. Which makes perfect sense.

Oscar's awesome, but it's not right for the character. You wouldn't want Colin ****in' Farrell playing Zorro or whatever.

Zorro is Don Diego de la Vega. Born in 19th century Spanish California. Trained in Spain. Hes Spanish to the core. So no it wouldnt make any sense for a man as obviously Spanish as Don Diego to be a white pasty Irish person. Unless they introduced an adoption element to the story.

Bruce Wayne is an American born in modern times in a fictional huge city There's nothing about Bruce that demands he be caucasian. Nothing about his character breaks down if he isnt caucasian. Gotham is a huge port city. Bruce Wayan's parents or ancestors could have immigrated from countries other than England. The only ethnicity the Wayne's probably cant be African American due to the limited rights of blacks in America for hundreds of years making it hard to believe that an African American Wayne family could be "old money". The Wayne's, during the time of Batman, are a modern family and there has never been a law in America that prohibits americans of latino descent from earning or maintaining a fortune so a Wayne family of Spanish descent could be old money.
 
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Anyone remembers that Anthony Hopkins played Don Diego de la Vega?
 
I do, and I remember Sean Connery as Ramirez
 
Zorro is Don Diego de la Vega. Born in 19th century Spanish California. Trained in Spain. Hes Spanish to the core. So no it wouldnt make any sense for a man as obviously Spanish as Don Diego to be a white pasty Irish person. Unless they introduced an adoption element to the story.

Bruce Wayne is an American born in modern times in a fictional huge city There's nothing about Bruce that demands he be caucasian. Nothing about his character breaks down if he isnt caucasian. Gotham is a huge port city. Bruce Wayan's parents or ancestors could have immigrated from countries other than England. The only ethnicity the Wayne's probably cant be African American due to the limited rights of blacks in America for hundreds of years making it hard to believe that an African American Wayne family could be "old money". The Wayne's, during the time of Batman, are a modern family and there has never been a law in America that prohibits americans of latino descent from earning or maintaining a fortune so a Wayne family of Spanish descent could be old money.

Spaniards (inhabitants of Spain) are essentially Europeans, they're racially distinct from Hispanics descending from Latin American countries where the presence of non-white elements is prevalent (e.g., Panama, the Dominican Republic, certain regions of Mexico). They actually have more in common--genetically speaking--w/ somewhere like Argentina, a nation with a population largely consisting of other Spanish, Italians, Germans, etc. Also, I wouldn't call Farrell 'pasty' despite his Irish lineage. He's a bit tan/olive like Welsh-born Catherine Zeta Jones. Interestingly enough, she portrayed Diego's daughter Elena in The Mask of Zorro.

Anyway, to Shauner's point, "old money", as used in the US, has a very specific meaning. It generally refers to New Englanders with a well-established fortune going back at least four or five generations. Also, to be stratified as such (i.e., part of the social circle), you almost always had to be of white Protestant heritage. By white, I don't exclusively mean English, although said ethnicity was certainly one of the more common pedigrees, as was Scots-Irish, German and French Huguenot. To put things into further perspective, even the Kennedys and other notable Catholic families weren't considered old money back then; they were instead regarded as "lace curtain Irish" or "nouveau riche." The latter term especially was (and still is) applied to social climbers who only very recently came into wealth and some prominence. So, as you see, money wasn't the only determining factor.

Now, Oscar Isaac wouldn't be my first choice for the role (he's too short and doesn't have the right look IMHO), but if an Italian American or a Catholic actor is deemed suitable enough, I don't see why the former should be disqualified from the running on account of his respective background. Again, the non-white element which frequently appears in people of Latin American descent isn't owed to Spanish blood; it's their indigenous (American Indian) or, to a lesser extent, West African roots. Those without "Indian" or African ancestry, however, are of wholly European stock; ergo, they're white. For instance, John Leguizamo, a Columbian, is of mixed European and American Indian/indigenous ancestry; Andy Garcia is a Cuban of wholly European descent; Rosie Perez is Puerto Rican and has mixed African/European roots. I'm not sure where Isaac hails from, but he looks closer in appearance to someone like Garcia. So, I'm going to assume he doesn't have much non-white ancestry in his makeup. I still don't want him playing Batman, though. :yay:
 
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Guys, if we're arguing for a non white actor to play Bruce, why are ya'll overlooking the best option?:

Idris Elba
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Isaac is suave, but he seems more suited to like a Tony Stark-ish hero than a Batman to me. Though I think he could work there.

To be clear, I don't think characters should be race changed. But if we're going to, I say Elba.

Dude I’m so on board. He would be such an exciting and refreshing choice. I’m all for it. Clearly the best option if they go for a non white Batman. He’d ****ing nail it
 
I don't think Bruce HAS to be Anglo-Saxon necessarily, but I do think it makes sense for him to be in a way that it might not be for other characters. It's backgrounded in the old-money Wayne family dynasty and the intrinsic role it plays in Gotham's history, but it's really about the position of privilege Bruce is in. In virtually every way that an individual can be Bruce is set above the average citizen. He's the prince of Gotham, which has the dichotomy of being what enables him to be Batman because of the wealth and resources it grants, but also what keeps him at a distance from the city and its people. It's the symbolism of Wayne Manor; the monument of Gotham's most successful and maybe most important family that isn't actually in the city. It factors into why Bruce decides to fight crime as something other than himself, why he leaves to live in relative poverty during the wilderness period of his training. It's even an implicit reason why he mentors the various Robins, as what are basically street orphans they allow him to learn a perspective that he otherwise wouldn't be able to know.
 
Anyone remembers that Anthony Hopkins played Don Diego de la Vega?

And Douglas Fairbanks, Guy Williams, George Hamilton,Duncan Regehr etc.

Cesar Romero was the first live action Joker.
 
Bruce Wayne is an American born in modern times in a fictional huge city There's nothing about Bruce that demands he be caucasian.


Except he's old-money Scottish, going back generations and generations. Thomas didn't make their first cash, he was born rich-as-sin too. As was his dad, and his dad, and his dad, at some point that was back in the mother country of Scotland. Not sure how many borderline-aristocratic moneybags landowners of Latino heritage were running around friggin' Edinburgh or whatever in 1780.

There's wiggle-room, totally, in that one of his ancestors (even Thomas directly) may have married a Latino woman, definitely. It does come off a little arbitrary and for-the-hell-of-it though.

But you're right in that it's not as cut-and-dry as, say, Cap, who if you're keeping the WWII origins pretty much has to be straight-up honkey.

But honestly, it's not like Isaac's doing this anyway. Great actor, but I'd be awfully surprised if along with Star Wars he signs onto a Batman gig.
 
Oscar Issac would make an AMAZING Tony Stark. Yep, well suggested those that did. A better Stark than Wayne, put it that way anyhoo, IMO.
 
Oscar Isaac is my new pick for Bruce Wayne
 
Oscar Issac would make an AMAZING Tony Stark. Yep, well suggested those that did. A better Stark than Wayne, put it that way anyhoo, IMO.

Yeah. The guy is versatile , no question. I could see him as any number of fictional characters from Stark to Zorro. Still though, its still hard for me to see him Bruce Wayne.

Not saying he couldn't act the part, but he doesn't scream "Batman" to me the way it does to some of the posters here.

If he were cast in a Batman film, I'd more interested to see what he could do as an actor with one of Batman's rogues as opposed to him wearing the cape and cowl for three films.

Ditto with someone like Michael Fassbender. I'd much rather see him play a villain like Mr Freeze , Two Face or Hush, than to see him play Bruce Wayne.
 
Guys he's got to be old rich and white.... therefor, Eddie Redmayne is the perfect fit to play Bruce Wayne.
 
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God it pains me to even post that gif....f**k Redmayne for stealing Keatons statue
 
God it pains me to even post that gif....f**k Redmayne for stealing Keatons statue

F*** Keaton for taking that role when so many actual Birdmen can't even get their foot in the door.
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I was watching Logan today and thought it was really interesting to remember just the level to which Jackman was an unknown prior to landing Wolverine. Unless you were an Australian musical theater buff, he might as well have been some guy they just pulled off the street. Aside from probably Routh a few years later, I don't think we've seen a piece of superhero casting with that level of anonymity since.

Not saying it'll happen here, but...
 
Yeah, 1999 Jackman was a working actor, but seriously smalltime as far as actual screen/TV work. Pretty amazing.

Wasn't he first just hired as the stunt-double on X-Men too? That seems a little weird to me, getting a theater actor/singer for that type of gig.
 
Isaac is more suited to Batman at face value than Keaton ever was. The idea Isaac couldn't play Batman well is laughable to me honestly.
 
Who brought a healthy dose of the crazy. Which is what Burton was going for.

Burton's take absolutely wouldn't have worked with the obvious Baldwin casting.
 
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