Batman R.I.P.

Shouldn't the main title be Detective Comics though? Seeing as that's how we started with it all...

In this case it should still be an anthology comic then and SUPERMAN shouldn't even exist just Action Comics. New readers wouldn't be able to associate Batman with 'tec off the name alone meaning not looking at the issue covers or anything just the name. Where as with BATMAN it pretty much lets them know what they'll get.
 
Well aren't those titles now really "Batman in Detective Comics" and "Superman in Action Comics"? I think the only reason for Action Comics and Detective Comics is because it's a different style of story-telling that goes on within those pages.
 
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17496

I understand that following the events of "Batman RIP," both main Batbooks will be put on hiatus for a short period, replaced by a new title, "Battle Of The Cowl" by Grant Morrison.

We’ll see a struggle for the legacy of the Batman after the events of the "Batman R.I.P" storyline, between the likes of Robin, Jason Todd, Nightwing, Damien and who knows, maybe Azreal and Bat-Mite while they're at it.

So "Nightwing" will be renamed "Red Robin" while "Robin" becomes… "Batman And Robin."

It looks like [deleted] will be the new Batman with [deleted] becoming Red Robin.

Remember last time I had a Batscoop this strong, about half was bang on the money (Morrison to write a Batman death story, a replacement to takes his role, Alex Ross to design the new character and covers) with about half being off (Bruce Wayne becoming a New God and fighting Darkseid in hand to hand combat).

Let’s see if I have a better strike rate this time.


Click the link above to find out who they are.
 
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17496

I understand that following the events of "Batman RIP," both main Batbooks will be put on hiatus for a short period, replaced by a new title, "Battle Of The Cowl" by Grant Morrison.

We’ll see a struggle for the legacy of the Batman after the events of the "Batman R.I.P" storyline, between the likes of Robin, Jason Todd, Nightwing, Damien and who knows, maybe Azreal and Bat-Mite while they're at it.

So "Nightwing" will be renamed "Red Robin" while "Robin" becomes… "Batman And Robin."

It looks like [deleted] will be the new Batman with [deleted] becoming Red Robin.

Remember last time I had a Batscoop this strong, about half was bang on the money (Morrison to write a Batman death story, a replacement to takes his role, Alex Ross to design the new character and covers) with about half being off (Bruce Wayne becoming a New God and fighting Darkseid in hand to hand combat).

Let’s see if I have a better strike rate this time.


Click the link above to find out who they are.
Lying In The Gutters by Rich Johnston is just crap rumors, don't believe him.
 
A little theory I was thinking was that Bruce Wayne is Batman ends with Batman being Bruce Wayne beginning.

You know what I mean?
 
A little theory I was thinking was that Bruce Wayne is Batman ends with Batman being Bruce Wayne beginning.

You know what I mean?
Sounds like something Morrison will do.
 
Wait didn't

Jason Todd already become Red Robin over in Countdown?
 
Wait wait wait... If that spoiler is true then I don't see anything that Morrison called "shocking" other than
the batbooks being put on hiatus... BTW, how do you think that would affect subscriptions? This makes me think that spoiler might be bogus.

What do you think?
 
Wait wait wait... If that spoiler is true then I don't see anything that Morrison called "shocking" other than
the batbooks being put on hiatus... BTW, how do you think that would affect subscriptions? This makes me think that spoiler might be bogus.

What do you think?
Bogus, I feel.
 
I like the idea that the batman title should stop for a while


...not that i really trust in that "spoiler" though
 
I like the idea that the batman title should stop for a while


...not that i really trust in that "spoiler" though

It would be interesting, but it would be marketing suicide. I don't think there's any chance of that happening. If anything they may add a bat-title, but not remove any of the existing ones.

Then I'll just have more to subscribe to...
 
Wait... Who is Red Robin? I thought Jason Todd was Red Robin now...
 
Red Robin is a franchise restaurant.
 
Red Robin was the name Jason Todd took in part of the countdown series. His costume looked like Robin had a love child with Doctor Midnite. But I didn't actually read countdown (which I why Final Crisis has me lost).

First he was Robin, then he died. Then he came back and he was Hush, but not really. He was really Red Hood. Then he was dressed like Nightwing. Then he was set up as Red Robin, which I thought was kind of lame.

What is he supposed to be now, why did Morrison bring him back?

And yes Red Robin is a restaurant that sells excallent burgers from what I understand.
 
It was a joke I don't need a rundown lol the point is there is no Red Robin in New Earth (canonical DCU). Don't blame Morrison for the moronic editiorial decisions that even led to an irrelevant filler series like Countdown even existing. In CD he became Red Robin then reverted back to Jason Todd/Red Hood making the entire thing pointless. I understand that DC editiorial's misguided greedy decision is leading to a lot of confusion but you won't see Red Robin unless the original one (Dick Grayson) from Kingdom Come comes back in JSA or something.
 
It was a joke I don't need a rundown lol the point is there is no Red Robin in New Earth (canonical DCU). Don't blame Morrison for the moronic editiorial decisions that even led to an irrelevant filler series like Countdown even existing. In CD he became Red Robin then reverted back to Jason Todd/Red Hood making the entire thing pointless. I understand that DC editiorial's misguided greedy decision is leading to a lot of confusion but you won't see Red Robin unless the original one (Dick Grayson) from Kingdom Come comes back in JSA or something.

lol. I figured it was a joke I'm just too confused about this.

So at this point we have Jason Todd/Red Hood who is evil? good? Neither? both? And he's wearing the domino mask and looking very much not like Red Hood.

I've heard it circulating that he'll be becoming the new Batman, but I've heard that about Tim Drake too...
 
I dropped countdown extremely early on I just know about what happened from those who stuck with it. Apparently he's still an anti hero.
 
Wow so many negative reactions. Nothing wrong with that in itself, it's just that most of the complaints seem so puerile and beside the point. I'm glad that the majority of mature aged comicbook readers don't think the same way as the people on this message board, otherwise this arc wouldn't be selling gangbusters and we would've we missed out on a great mainstream Morrison story that will be referred to as classic milestone for a long time to come. After you've read alot of comics you feel like something that pushes the limit and contains more level of story, and if that means going into the past or writing meta-fiction then great.

I agree the arc kind of slumped with this issue, with all that wandering around with the junkie hobo, it wasn't that interesting. But the bits with Robin and Nightwing, the thoughts from the casebook and junkie Batman in his Zur En Rah costume more than made up for it. I wonder where Jezebel is now.

Also I think I missed how Batman went from the batcave in last issue to the dumpster again at the beginning of this one?

Please, dismissing any negative reactions as puerile is puerile itself.

The story's substance isn't what bothers most people. It's that the substance is completely mangled by a poorly executed structure.

This has ALWAYS been Morrison's downfall from X-Men to Batman: he sucks at pacing and structure. Both of which are basically half of writing in any medium.

You don't have an event like Batman getting injected with meth and dumped into an alley as a homeless man, or Alfred being lynched and the Bat-cave sacked, or Nightwing lured into a trap, drugged, and institutionalized -- you don't have these dramatic beats and huge reversals and character shifts take place OFF-PAGE and then just refer to them in flashbacks that occur in static dialogue scenes. We basically just get a "evil mastermind" narrating what he's done -- instead of SHOWING HIM DOING IT!!

Aside from producing a muddled storyline that seems contrived since the writer is no longer constrained by the logic of structure and pacing and chronology, we are also distanced from the main characters as we are no longer seeing and experience what is happening to them -- we are simply just hearing about it. It's not engrossing; it's alienating. It reduces comic books from an interactive emotional experience into one where you read dialogue balloons on a painted page.

Add to this that through three issues we have questions introduced and not tended to. It is okay to introduce a narrative question and NOT ANSWER IT -- but you must acknowledge it, acknowledge the mystery. What is this Dance Macabre, did it already happen? I suppose so -- it seems. What is the Joker's role in all this? Wait, the Joker's vanished for two issues after a obscure scene at the end of the first issue of RIP.

This is what we can poor narrative storytelling. It's lazy. Show, don't tell. Simple axiom. Any writer knows it...save for Morrison apparently, who is content on picking the most obtuse strategy to simply narrate massive events that are occurring between issues. The meat -- the good stuff -- the dramatic plot -- occurs between issues. We simply get summaries in what Morrison so lazily and poorly writes in each R.I.P. issue.

So if you want to dismiss what I said as superficial, nitpicking, or besides the point, go ahead. But what I have just said is so on point, and so relevant, to the issues of R.I.P. that it's sad to think DC hasn't stepped in and fired Morrison.
 
Please, dismissing any negative reactions as puerile is puerile itself.

The story's substance isn't what bothers most people. It's that the substance is completely mangled by a poorly executed structure.

This has ALWAYS been Morrison's downfall from X-Men to Batman: he sucks at pacing and structure. Both of which are basically half of writing in any medium.

You don't have an event like Batman getting injected with meth and dumped into an alley as a homeless man, or Alfred being lynched and the Bat-cave sacked, or Nightwing lured into a trap, drugged, and institutionalized -- you don't have these dramatic beats and huge reversals and character shifts take place OFF-PAGE and then just refer to them in flashbacks that occur in static dialogue scenes. We basically just get a "evil mastermind" narrating what he's done -- instead of SHOWING HIM DOING IT!!

Aside from producing a muddled storyline that seems contrived since the writer is no longer constrained by the logic of structure and pacing and chronology, we are also distanced from the main characters as we are no longer seeing and experience what is happening to them -- we are simply just hearing about it. It's not engrossing; it's alienating. It reduces comic books from an interactive emotional experience into one where you read dialogue balloons on a painted page.

Add to this that through three issues we have questions introduced and not tended to. It is okay to introduce a narrative question and NOT ANSWER IT -- but you must acknowledge it, acknowledge the mystery. What is this Dance Macabre, did it already happen? I suppose so -- it seems. What is the Joker's role in all this? Wait, the Joker's vanished for two issues after a obscure scene at the end of the first issue of RIP.

This is what we can poor narrative storytelling. It's lazy. Show, don't tell. Simple axiom. Any writer knows it...save for Morrison apparently, who is content on picking the most obtuse strategy to simply narrate massive events that are occurring between issues. The meat -- the good stuff -- the dramatic plot -- occurs between issues. We simply get summaries in what Morrison so lazily and poorly writes in each R.I.P. issue.

So if you want to dismiss what I said as superficial, nitpicking, or besides the point, go ahead. But what I have just said is so on point, and so relevant, to the issues of R.I.P. that it's sad to think DC hasn't stepped in and fired Morrison.
OMG! thank you. I couldn't quite put to words what my biggest problem with this series was. You have hit it spot on. I remember reading the comics in order and thinking to myself "what the hell is going on?"
 

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