BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - Part 4

[jokesonm3]

I think that a majority of people who did not like MOS, had most of their issues in the third act. Metropolis collateral damage+Zod neck snap where what angered a lot of people.

Exactly thats what i mean, not the silly "too dark" issues, but the third act of the film with what critics called a lack of Superman.

This film has an experienced Superman.

The EW dude even says that for those who liked MoS but not the 3rd act, BvS will redeem that.

Just those lot who don't like dark tone films won't like? sure whatever, but a low RT score because a film with Batman in it is dark? Nah not buying that.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Man of Steel was receiving 3/5 ratings from some critics on their sites and still gave it a rotten score on Rotten Tomatoes. That's what's always frustrated me. Rotten Tomatoes really needs a better way for critics to vote up or down.

 

[False Prophet]

But that's a drama. For some CBMs are supposed to be light & fluffy. And to me it makes no sense. there are genres/sub-genres. You can have a comedy CBM, a CBM comedy (which I feel like deadpool falls into), dramatic CBMs etc... Films should be judged on what they are and not criticized on what the reviewer wanted it to be.

It'll be interesting to witness the juxtaposition of BvS "grimdark" complaints with the almost assured praise of DD's second season.

I think you guys worry too much about this. MoS was favorably viewed by a good majority of moviegoers. Don't confuse the squeaky wheel for the train. And as long as there's a tomato and not a splat on RT, BvS should be alright.

 

[jokesonm3]

Man of Steel was receiving 3/5 ratings from some critics on their sites and still gave it a rotten score on Rotten Tomatoes. That's what's always frustrated me. Rotten Tomatoes really needs a better way for critics to vote up or down.

That's annoys me aswell, a 3/5 or a 6/10 film should not equal a rotten score, RT needs to fix this issue fast.

 

[jokesonm3]

It'll be interesting to witness the juxtaposition of BvS "grimdark" complaints with the almost assured praise of DD's second season.

I think you guys worry too much about this. MoS was favorably viewed by a good majority of moviegoers. Don't confuse the squeaky wheel for the train. And as long as there's a tomato and not a splat on RT, BvS should be alright.

Good point lol.

Daredevil season 2 comes out on March 18th on a Friday, the BvS review embargo ends on next monday most likely most folks should have the feel and craving for a dark superhero film by then lol.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

That's annoys me aswell, a 3/5 or a 6/10 film should not equal a rotten score, RT needs to fix this issue fast.

When a critic submits their review to RT, they are asked Rotten or Fresh. The reviewer only has those two options. An up or down vote. And I think the term "Fresh" hurts movies with mixed feelings because critics are reluctant if they have so-so feelings on the movie.

I really think enough of the reviews should have been fresh to bump MoS up to 70%. Read through them. The proof is there.

 

[jokesonm3]

When a critic submits their review to RT, they are asked Rotten or Fresh. The reviewer only has those two options. An up or down vote. And I think the term "Fresh" hurts movies with mixed feelings because critics are reluctant if they have so-so feelings on the movie.

I really think enough of the reviews should have been fresh to bump MoS up to 70%. Read through them. The proof is there.

Agreed, and yet when folks talk about RT they mainly promote and focus on the RT score rather than the aggregated score of a film, which sucks honestly.

 

[Snark88]

Is it really that hard and unbelievable for a Snyder film to score a 70%+ on RT? Not 80% or 90% but just 70%, really?

Well statistically speaking, yes. Dawn of the Dead was 12 years ago, and every one of his movies since then has failed to crack over 65%. If this film ends up in the 70%+ region, I would almost guarantee it would be because of Chris Terrio and Ben Affleck fixing any cracks in the armor.

I like Zack Snyder. He seems like a nice and cool guy. But I think he's one of the biggest wastes of talent in Hollywood. From a visual standpoint, he's one of the best there is. If only he learned how to pace his films better, improve how he directs his actors, and learn to restrain himself from bizarre ideas, he'd be one of the best directors out there.

 

[xxxxxx29]

When you look at the reviews for Man of Steel on Metacritic, you'll see most of them are positive and mixed.

 

[DieSmiling]

Man of Steel was receiving 3/5 ratings from some critics on their sites and still gave it a rotten score on Rotten Tomatoes. That's what's always frustrated me. Rotten Tomatoes really needs a better way for critics to vote up or down.

I noticed that too. Didn't seem to be a ton of consistency on what constituted a "positive" or "negative" review with reviews that were near the middle.

 

[DieSmiling]

Just because most people like or do not like something doesn't mean it's good/bad.

Yeah it does.

Sure, quality is subjective but obviously "everyone liking something" means it's more than likely good and "everyone hating something" means its more than likely bad. There's no better valuation for somethings quality than the consensus of everyone who has seen it.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Agreed, and yet when folks talk about RT they mainly promote and focus on the RT score rather than the aggregated score of a film, which sucks honestly.

Hence why RT is a flawed system as most of us know.

 

[False Prophet]

The way people use it is probably more flawed than the system itself.

 

[dario2739]

Hence why RT is a flawed system as most of us know.

RT isn't something we use in the UK – I only know of it from coming on these forums, it's uknown to the general public.

 

[rogbngp]

I'm hoping that it is as simple as having great action, characters we connect with and care about, and a story that pulls us in and engages us. BvS has to hit these marks solidly. But I'll be shocked if this film isn't a thrill ride and gorgeous to look at. It just has to come through in terms of connecting at a more human emotional level than MoS did. (Fortunately the film has Terrio and Affleck on board to help with that.)

So let's say that all those pistons are firing. If critics sense in their gut that audiences are going to be highly entertained by this movie, it's going to score in the 80s. If it is phenomenally good it cracks the low 90s.

If it falls short in terms of connecting emotionally, with a good dose of human moments, then 70s.

I will be amazed if it comes in lower than 70s. They have too much riding on it and have been tinkering with the film in post for over a year.

 

[TripleJ]

Yeah it does.

Sure, quality is subjective but obviously "everyone liking something" means it's more than likely good and "everyone hating something" means its more than likely bad. There's no better valuation for somethings quality than the consensus of everyone who has seen it.

Probability wise, sure. But, that isn't guaranteed (I can think of examples from history, but that would deviate our discussion into other topics).

Look at Transformers. Many people seem to think that those movies are bad (and RT reflects that). But, look at the amount of money they make.

Of course, this is most likely because RT is very much a US centric website, rather than a world one.

And there are other factors to consider, example: Sites like RT, they treat as if all films are equal...and grade everything on an equal scale, which is rather foolish (Pixar films having better rating than movies like Revenant).

 

[teardrop]

for big budget movies, when the pre-release hype is high enough, RT won't matter.

RT score mostly echoes the general WoM, which basically affects legs.

for smaller scale films, GA check reviews before making decisions more often.

in niche genre, art house and horror, RT score very often contradicts to GA sentiment.

 

[Legendver2]

I posted this in the All Things thread, and it feels like a relevant post to the current convo in this thread:

I might be in the minority, but I kind of like the fact that MoS is divisive and sparks conversation in interpretation, perception, and a whole bunch of other things. I mean sure, some other movies get like 90+ RT scores or whatever, but honestly who talks about them anymore. We're 3 years after the release of MoS, and we're STILL debating it. That to me says a lot about the timelessness of MoS, and maybe even BvS.

Don't get me wrong, I love MCU, with TWS being one of my all time favorite cbm's, but let's be real, nobody talks about the Avengers or even AoU, the most recent MCU big release, anymore or even with the same intensity as people talk about MoS. And a majority of the times they are brought up, it's to use as a comparison to how *crap* some people think MoS is. Yea sure, you don't like the film, you hated MoS, but guess what, you're STILL talking about it. I consider that a fan

In a nutshell how I feel about MoS, which I am a fan of. People can say what they want, but the fact that we're STILL talking about it with such intensity 3 years later is a testament to it's impact on comic and fanboy culture.

 

[rogbngp]

for big budget movies, when the pre-release hype is high enough, RT won't matter.

RT score mostly echoes the general WoM, which basically affects legs.

for smaller scale films, GA check reviews before making decisions more often.

in niche genre, art house and horror, RT score very often contradicts to GA sentiment.

I very much agree that in the case of a film event like this one, it's going to be word of mouth far more than RT score that affects its box office.

 

[xxxxxx29]

Okay.... I went through all the Man of Steel reviews and made this discovery regarding rotten reviews that shouldn't have been rotten:

https://gyazo.com/1672bf342358bd90cbc0e53fb986c790 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/d489e9a2d2a31309c23c8d196a904cc1 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/ff58b540b535b4012a4a85f0c3334957 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/ea111f27f2507dddfa00bf21c7ddbcfe 60%

https://gyazo.com/c6dbb9222d4d0fd11615cc512683d8b7 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/a5e4b573404ac47c93ec68234bf19e27 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/fe2510f59fab2519ca98fcb42d3b3198 62.5%

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https://gyazo.com/58f2f39bd32d84f0cb2bb787ffa533b9 60%

https://gyazo.com/39dbf0e7a03bfa7a6d101cd5c80b31af 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/3f46c83c3a85348de327ca4807cf6b62 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/83d8e37691bf4a88bee8b4997fcf266c 60%

https://gyazo.com/5a221b9ec30e655990da0b8ee229e2b0 60%

https://gyazo.com/93d350fc213c5f9e9745756208904f2c 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/72c180f949ea3c4ad0a47d3b775eba09 60%

https://gyazo.com/4d0fafdd8d9b8de07f421ee922763c32 60%

https://gyazo.com/0e438e98d5c342565d3a82c5e703dc2c B-

https://gyazo.com/ea00c125555e75326f5d52802f5cedb6 60%


Not sure C+ are classed as rotten or not, but I seen about 20 C+ rotten reviews.

 

[jokesonm3]

Nearly every single reviewer that you've just listed all preached the same thing, loved the first two acts of the film but hated the final battle, calling it two story ideas put into one film, the emotional identify storyline that they loved, and the cgi filled action ending that they absolutely hated, trying to be many things at once they said, and that all falls within the script, goyer was at fault with Man of Steel more than Snyder was.

 

[KarkClent]

Okay.... I went through all the Man of Steel reviews and made this discovery regarding rotten reviews that shouldn't have been rotten:

https://gyazo.com/1672bf342358bd90cbc0e53fb986c790 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/d489e9a2d2a31309c23c8d196a904cc1 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/ff58b540b535b4012a4a85f0c3334957 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/ea111f27f2507dddfa00bf21c7ddbcfe 60%

https://gyazo.com/c6dbb9222d4d0fd11615cc512683d8b7 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/a5e4b573404ac47c93ec68234bf19e27 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/fe2510f59fab2519ca98fcb42d3b3198 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/55fe3cfeff2c868d057d04edb1db9a8b 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/0726ea21dd34f32980d457e1a362159a 60%

https://gyazo.com/939b788b6efc010e989892987dcd7427 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/58f2f39bd32d84f0cb2bb787ffa533b9 60%

https://gyazo.com/39dbf0e7a03bfa7a6d101cd5c80b31af 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/3f46c83c3a85348de327ca4807cf6b62 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/83d8e37691bf4a88bee8b4997fcf266c 60%

https://gyazo.com/5a221b9ec30e655990da0b8ee229e2b0 60%

https://gyazo.com/93d350fc213c5f9e9745756208904f2c 62.5%

https://gyazo.com/72c180f949ea3c4ad0a47d3b775eba09 60%

https://gyazo.com/4d0fafdd8d9b8de07f421ee922763c32 60%

https://gyazo.com/0e438e98d5c342565d3a82c5e703dc2c B-

https://gyazo.com/ea00c125555e75326f5d52802f5cedb6 60%


Not sure C+ are classed as rotten or not, but I seen about 20 C+ rotten reviews.

Critics can let Rotten Tomatoes know whether their review should be rated 'rotten' or 'fresh' if it's not clear or incorrect on the site.

 

[xxxxxx29]

Critics can let Rotten Tomatoes know whether their review should be rated 'rotten' or 'fresh' if it's not clear or incorrect on the site.

I know they can..... but I feel it's stupid to rate something above average and give it a rotten score. Why not rate it average or below if they think it's rotten?

 

[AnneFan]

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[AnneFan]

BvS will make about $20.

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When I buy my first ticket on opening day.