BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well it's all irrelevant now in terms of Justice League being the "king size" budget film like the Avengers films are for Marvel.

As dumb as WB execs can be they do have shareholders on a corporate level they have to answer to.

No way Zack stays on as director without some budget limitations put in place. No way JL will cost more than BvS to produce and like I said will almost certainly be downgraded budget wise now.

No guarantee without big changes in place JL will even make as much as BvS has.

That's fair, none of this changes the fact that JL is DC's answer to The Avengers though and BvS was just the fast track to it. BvS underperforming doesn't suddenly make it an Avengers equivalent.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's fair, none of this changes the fact that JL is DC's answer to The Avengers though and BvS was just the fast track to it. BvS underperforming doesn't suddenly make it an Avengers equivalent.

No dude. This was WB's Avengers gamble. JL is like Avengers AOU. Adding supporting characters no one really cares about. You're not looking at it logically.

 

[Bruce Malone]

People are too caught up on the Team Movie has to equal Team Movie concept.

The revamped DCEU plan was always the MCU plan in reverse (or ass-backwards maybe in hindsight now).

After the mediocre reception to MoS the plan was to kick-off with a big film (BvS) that teased out the future solo's. Not starting with solo's that teased out a big film.

For all practical purposes what WB invested in BvS was equal to if not greater than what Disney/Marvel put into the first Avengers.

This is a box-office money thread after-all.

 

[Spiderdevil]

So this made more than Winter Soldier....not too shabby.

Only the Avengers movies made more and The overrated Ironman 3.

I expected as much from the second movie of the DC verse.

What a ridiculous thing to say, TWS budget was 80Mil less than BvS, and if your expectations on adding 3 of your most iconic superheroes in the world is to just pass a solo sequel of a character who has marketing limitations like a country's name in the title, then I can only pity you and DCCU

And I suppose TASM2 did well as the second movie in the Spider-man universe?

 

[Avid Avenger]

No dude. This was WB's Avengers gamble. JL is like Avengers AOU. Adding supporting characters no one really cares about. You're not looking at it logically.

Dude will you be hitting up the Civil War BO thread?

What a ridiculous thing to say, TWS budget was 80Mil less than BvS, and if your expectations on adding 3 of your most iconic superheroes in the world is to just pass a solo sequel of a character who has marketing limitations like a country's name in the title, then I can only pity you and DCCU

And I suppose TASM2 did well as the second movie in the Spider-man universe?

Yea I don't understand the logic there.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah Poni, I'd love to see you in the CW box office thread. Your input here as been great. Give that forum the same benefit.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No dude. This was WB's Avengers gamble. JL is like Avengers AOU. Adding supporting characters no one really cares about. You're not looking at it logically.

BvS is absolutely the DC equivalent of Avengers. It is the first big team up of their biggest heroes, just like Avengers was for Marvel.

 

[Mjölnir]

No dude. This was WB's Avengers gamble. JL is like Avengers AOU. Adding supporting characters no one really cares about. You're not looking at it logically.

I agree. Adding Aquaman, Cyborg and Flash without any build up for them doesn't amount to any big hype bringing them together. They are roughly in the position of the Avengers characters before the solo movies or, as you say, like the twins and Vision for AoU.

What made the Avengers special was that all the characters were built up on their own before and were recognized, and then you got to see them together for the first time. The closest DC gets to that in the DCEU now is using the big three that are already well known. Well, WW is unknown to the GA in many places of the world, but Batman and Superman together for the first time was a huge thing.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No dude. This was WB's Avengers gamble. JL is like Avengers AOU. Adding supporting characters no one really cares about. You're not looking at it logically.

Totally disagree, JL is WB's answer to Avengers, they just wanted to get there quicker and that's what BvS is. It was an introduction into the larger world and more characters in that world, but not all of them like in Avengers. No one cares about The Flash? Really? Not to mention more of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman? And the introduction of Darkseid?

I am thinking about it very logically thank you.

 

[Snow Queen]

Totally disagree, JL is WB's answer to Avengers, they just wanted to get there quicker and that's what BvS is. It was an introduction into the larger world and more characters in that world, but not all of them like in Avengers. No one cares about The Flash? Really? Not to mention more of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman? And the introduction of Darkseid?

I am thinking about it very logically thank you.

They just brought together Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, their biggest characters on screen for the first time. That's the closest they're going to get to Avengers hype, and that gimmick is gone now for Justice League and from the massive box office drop, it seems they've soured audiences going into that. That movie's going to have to be truly amazing to get anything near the hype BVS or Avengers had. The introduction of Darkseid means something to fans, but what does it mean to the general audience? It's just the next villain.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The promise of the trinity on the big screen for the first time (Hell, the promise of just the World's Finest) should have been enough for Avengers money.

WB always envisioned this as a $1-1.5 billion movie. To think otherwise is just crazy.

Sloppy marketing, an unfocused director and bad word of mouth has left us with a movie struggling to hit $850 million.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yeah. JL isn't gonna have the novelty of BvS. Nor will it have the goodwill or three weeks to itself.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They just brought together Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, their biggest characters on screen for the first time. That's the closest they're going to get to Avengers hype, and that gimmick is gone now for Justice League and from the massive box office drop, it seems they've soured audiences going into that. That movie's going to have to be truly amazing to get anything near the hype BVS or Avengers had.

And I am not disagreeing with any of that. What I am disagreeing with is people saying this was DC's equivalent to Avengers. JL is clearly that and the whole reason they are choosing to fast track towards it rather than building something over a number of solo movies like Marvel did.

BvS was a build up movie to JL, it was DC's phase 1 all in one movie, and JL will be the culmination of that just like Avengers was for Marvel. Nothing to do with how successful it was or wasn't.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Totally disagree, JL is WB's answer to Avengers, they just wanted to get there quicker and that's what BvS is. It was an introduction into the larger world and more characters in that world, but not all of them like in Avengers. No one cares about The Flash? Really? Not to mention more of Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman? And the introduction of Darkseid?

I am thinking about it very logically thank you.

If Cap co-starred in Iron Man 2, I might agree with you.

 

[Snow Queen]

And I am not disagreeing with any of that. What I am disagreeing with is people saying this was DC's equivalent to Avengers. JL is clearly that and the whole reason they are choosing to fast track towards it rather than building something over a number of solo movies like Marvel did.

BvS was a build up movie to JL, it was DC's phase 1 all in one movie, and JL will be the culmination of that just like Avengers was for Marvel.

BVS is their first big teamup movie, it's the only one that they have with that gimmick. It's absolutely their Avengers for that reason, and they without a doubt expected it to bring in that kind of money. It's the one they dumped the most money into and if it went wrong (as it did), their whole universe gets hurt. Much like Avengers. With Justice League, you no longer have that gimmick, and are introducing new characters with buildup about equivalent to the twins, I'd say the Age of Ultron comparison is pretty accurate.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Cap co-starred in Iron Man 2, I might agree with you.

But Cap didn't need to, he had his own solo movie. But WB didn't want to wait to go through solos so they put all of the build up in one movie. No matter what you think of the movie it was about discovering the JL and by the end bringing them together for a threat that is coming in, guess what, Justice League.

BvS was a build up movie, it wasn't the end game, JL is, just like Avengers was for Marvel.

 

[Iceman]

BvS would be the equivalent of CvI Cap Vs Iron Man with a big cameo for Thor. JL is the equivalent of Avengers. I never expected BvS to do Avengers numbers but over $1B should definitely have happened. And if it had been a success Avengers numbers might have been possible for JL (not now obviously).

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

But if you already had Cap versus Iron Man, would The Avengers be as big an event?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Five reason why Batman v Superman will beat Star Wars' record.


If you want a good laugh.

 

[Shikamaru]

WB clearly expected this film to make at least make over a billion, so in that sense it's clearly underperforming. It's WB's equivalent to TASM2, albeit even worse overall.

I honestly don't know how they're going to market JL, not with Snyder still around and the novelty aspect now being greatly diluted. JL's box office numbers will be interesting to see.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I honestly don't know how they're going to market JL

From the visionary director of BvS, Zack Snyder

 

[FunkMiller]

Five reason why Batman v Superman will beat Star Wars' record.


If you want a good laugh.

That's... That's quite unfortunate.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The box office for JL will be worse than you think.

 

[Shikamaru]

I seriously don't know what they'll have to do to build Hype. At this rate it's not an impossibility for them to lose some money on it, which is crazy since it was the most hyoed CBM in CBM history just a few years ago.

 

[Erzengel]

Five reason why Batman v Superman will beat Star Wars' record.


If you want a good laugh.