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Discussion in 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' started by Thread Manager, Apr 23, 2016.
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Avatar only made $10M in rerelease.
This isn't the Special Edition Star Wars.
Batman v Superman won't even have the critical reception or box office reception of Spider-Man 3.
idk if i should be sad or laugh...
If you ever looked forward to this film, you'd probably be sad. If you never wanted this film to succeed in the first place, even before it came out, only then would you be laughing.
I just can't believe they're still going through with JL with the exact same team that made BVS.
How much worse did BVS need to do for them to realize it's not working out...Whatever money JL will make next year, I think it's going to do way more damage than good.
They put themselves in a position where they couldn't take the foot of the gas even if they wanted to. And if everything is going to plan that's how it's gonna be. By the time JL hits theaters, Flash and Aquaman will be filming/done filming. Imagine if Miller or Mamoa aren't received well in JL and then they still have the movie coming out...
Marvel actually did the same thing too. Avengers was being shot before Thor and Cap 1 were out I think. However, they still had RDJ-Iron Man popularity to fall back on for Avengers success.
I love all the revisionist posts everywhere, especially in term of BO.
Before the movie most of the posts wee like "duh, this will easily break 1billion and will be Avenger level"
Now fans are saying "What do you expect? This is just Iron Man 2. 850million is awesome!!! Iron Man 2 only did XXX"
It's everywhere, this forums, reddit, social media etc
It is funny and kinda sad. Shouldn't we just think how it went wrong instead of coming up with excuses to justify the poor performance?
I remember giving a prediction of 800 million and posters were replying to me with
I loathe Zack Snyder, I loathe every dimwitted adaptation he's ever been a part of, I think he is a scummy, dumb, wretched filmmaker and an incompetent storyteller, and I yearn for the day that this emperor gets told he has no clothes.
I'm sorry that he took DC's characters with him, but if this is what it takes to see him laughed out of the superhero movie business, then I'm gonna laugh, buddy.
I'm gonna laugh. Real hard.
The BO take for BVS is misleading. Looks like the Studio is looking at the record breaking opening weekend and not the record breaking drop off. That first weekend was full of fans excited for the movie that left heartbroken. ( I know I was one) The studio will need to win back those fans if they want JL to open big. I don't see that happening with Snyder still at the helm.
Zootopia was only $130k behind The Boss on Friday so by weekend's end those two will be switching spots most likely with Zootopia at #4 and The Boss at #5. BvS will stay at #6. It saw it's last time in the top 5 last weekend(it's 4th weekend of release).
Classic case of denial.
The whole argument of "it should never have been compared to the first Avengers, it should be compared to one of the phase 1 solo films - and look how much more it's grossed than those!" is so intellectually dishonest.
Anyone who uses the Phase 1 argument is kidding themselves. The last two Batman films made over a billion. MoS made $650 million. In order for this project to justify itself to investors, it had to make at least a bit over $1 billion. It doesn't look like it will cross that mark, heck freaking Deadpool would've made more worldwide had it opened in China. It underperformed no matter what way you spin it.
They really have no choice but to go through with it that way. It's too poisonous for any level-headed director to go near it this late in its stage, and it would be too costly to postpone the film (and even more so to shelf it again). They thought they were locked in for success due to novelty and brand recognition alone, and now they have to pay the consequences for it. We'll still get the next 3 DC films but anything they have on their lineup scheduled after 2017 should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
In the end, both the public and the studio lose. The studio loses money and good PR (as far as superhero films go), the public gets some bad superhero films. I have to agree with MovieBob that JL feels like more of a threat than something to be excited for. It feels like a threat both towards fans and towards the superhero market as a whole who now might get oversaturated with more and more bad DC films, which could potentially lead to the CBM bubble popping without WB even being aware they could cause it. I can't remember the last time I wanted a film so badly to not get made, it's unmatched in the category by every CBM but potentially Fan4stic (and even then, keep in mind that was under a director and studio who half-arsed it, whereas Snyder and WB were originally so proud of this film; hell, Snyder still is).
Well, if anything, Warner Brothers will limit the costs of production somewhat. Unless they honestly believe that Snyder made them a significant amount of revenue regardless of the criticism this movie received. But it seems the execs are backing Zack and Deborah Snyder on this and will soldier on from this movie.
Never thought I would find myself not excited for a JL movie. I just can't believe they would just throw more money at a sinking ship.
The truth is, anyone who has examined the DC superhero movies made in the past 10 years that weren't directed by Christopher Nolan could've seen this coming. Aside from the TDK trilogy, none of the other superhero movies really worked. Both SR and GL were supposed to get a sequel but due to their respective movies' disappointing BO, WB cancelled those projects. WB has always been proud in letting the world know that they don't handicap the creativity of their directors, but without oversight the quality fluctuates and hard to maintain. Martin Campbell, who directed Goldeneye and Casino Royale, was also responsible for Green Lantern.
However, unlike the movies in the past, WB is now committed to a DCEU, which means that they cannot just pull out of the sequels like they used to do and must stick to the schedule. What they did not foresee is the critical maligning of BVS and its BO disappointment. But like riding on top of a wild horse, WB can't get off easily, and they have to let Snyder direct JL or else the whole DCEU may collapse. If SS and WW turned out to be amazing movies, the reputation of this franchise might be salvaged, but I'm not too optimistic about it.
Very difficult to see a way to limit costs, BvS cost 250M to produce, and it had very little action to speak of, and only 3 heroes, it will be painstaking task to produce a JL movie which has 6-7 heroes with the powers they have and probably larger and longer set pieces
In short, WB is playing a losing game, Suicide squad may look promising, but the casting and directing choices of all other solo movies don't look promising at all, JL is not gonna cost a penny less than BvS, it's production cost could easily ride up to 300M with inflation and all, they have already lost the faith of the GA and fans with BvS so not even a huge weekend is guaranteed with JL, meaning they would need a movie with good reception to have legs, which is difficult to see with Snyder directing
So true, Marvel might get flak for their micromanaging but I think it's for the better, that way an a quality movie is mostly guaranteed, even if they hire unproven directors (Jon Watts, Russos before TWS)
It's been said before but it's worth repeating: WB needs to find a Feige for the DCEU. Marvel has basically treated the MCU like an ongoing TV series and Feige is the showrunner. I don't think you can successfully do an interconnected universe without someone of quality calling the shots.
Wow, I've just seen the positivity thread and boy, talk about safe space.
Sad because SM3 had a better worldwide sales and reception.
Compared to BvS, SM3 is Schnilder's list!
BvS isn't at SM3's level, it is down there with Catwoman, GL and Fant4stic
How are we so sure anyone wants the job?
"Here, you take all these DC licenses and for the next 10 years make a universe of movies just as good as the MCU."
Seriously who would take that job to devote that much time to an universe that will be nothing more than a copy of the MCU?