I saw that in the scene, but if others didn't, that's ok. Even in the trailers for this film, batman's treatment of superman seemed reflective of classic treatment of someone as an "other." In situations like that, it often takes something dramatic to snap the guilty party of out it.
Maybe I'll see it at my second showing...
And you'll have to add me to the list of people who dislike the Christ allegories. It's never added much to the superman story, IMO. So he's like Jesus in some ways. So what? Doesn't appear to add anything, so why include it?
That makes three of us...
DotD Remake is still probably Snyder's best movie. He works best when working to a story set down by somebody else, and he was remaking the best zombie movie ever made, and one of the top 5 horror movies of all time, so he had a strong basis to work from.
However, and this is a classic hallmark of Snyder's work, it's a movie that is all style over substance.
The original Dawn Of The Dead is an allegory for consumerism in modern America as much as it is a pulp zombie movie. Snyder's version completely misses the point of the original narrative, stripping all of the sharp satire out of the story.
It does look very nice though.
See, knowing about Snyder's worldview, I'm not surprised that he removed that anti-consumer message...
yeah the crypt scene is just strange and unnecessary. As is the scene where he goes down to look at the suit before going to the party. In the previous scene Alfred is telling him about it. Then he goes to say goodbye to the suit and then you see him taking the tarp off the car.
Two scenes that are congruous he breaks up for no good reason.
The placement was weird, yes, but I think I understand why it was an included scene... it was yet another way they were trying to show that Bruce had basically lost it... he no longer walked the line between hero and vigilante, but had given up being a hero entirely. I took it as trying to show that Bruce Wayne was basically gone and the Bat had taken over completely.
I'm not sure where it should have been placed, to be honest, but that's probably my biggest criticism of this whole film: the seeming randomness of the majority of the scenes.
I'd question whether he's even as good, visually. He's more *stylized*, definitely, but stylized != good. Its a matter of, ahem, style. And most of his best visuals are cribbed directly from source material, so. . .
( As opposed to, say, the best visual moments Whedon did in the Avengers movies, which were clearly inspired by the comics, but not by *specific* comics. Whedon didn't crib the Avengers Assemble scene in the same way Snyder cribbed stuff from Dark Knight Returns. )
I guess I like that, because I do think Snyder is amazing with visions, and always have. Maybe not better than the Russos (I simply prefer the Russos directing overall, frankly), but at
least as good... but that's my own personal opinion, of course...
I get that and was replying in general. Someone told me I didn't understand the film the other day just because I said I wasn't a fan of it.
In regards to the flashback, it didn't really bother me. However, I can understand the people who didn't like it being retold. Yes, it was needed due to how that was designed to play out in the end. It didn't need to be designed to play out that way.
Now this gets to the heart of it. The problem isn't the flashback itself, but the entire character arc the flashback was meant to set up.
Basically, the omission of it would have meant something else was needed to end the conflict. Maybe something as simple as Bruce realising he's been played by Lex.
To be honest, I think it could simpler than that: Bruce embodied xenophobia. He had morphed into a full-blown bigot with regards to Superman. His arc really could have delved into that, instead, making him realize that xenophobia is completely wrong, that Superman is as much an integral part of the same world he (Batman) is. You really don't need the murder of the Waynes and the whole Martha thing to show that, because out here, people who lose their bigotry don't lose it for reasons like that.
My title here is Social Justice Warrior, and that's not actually meant as a joke. Because of my political and social worldview (extremely left-wing feminist/womanist, pro-BLM, pro-LGBTQ, pro-choice, etc), I've been called that millions of times as well as "white knight", "Captain of the PC Police", mangina, and other similarly "not-actually-an-insult" stuff.
But I didn't always hold this worldview. I was once an Objectivist myself, and was someone who did indeed think that those phrases referred to "bad things". I was a pretty nasty bigot (racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, transphobic, etc). I changed simply because I started actually
listening (the first and most important rule of being an ally) to all those people I once dismissed.
And I honestly believe that would have been a much stronger moment. Imagine if Batman had actually allowed Superman to speak?
The movie was called Batman V Superman, not Batman VS Superman, because it was meant to look like a legal brief. I actually think the whole thing between Batman and Superman would have been much stronger had the fight been less physical and more vocal, like an actual trial between the two... something a little bit closer to the World's Finest clash between them. I don't know how I'd write that, but then I'm not a writer (trust me... you don't want to read the fiction I've tried to write; it's terrible). But I definitely would have preferred it.
But going back to my initial point, I don't particularly have a problem with the flashback being in the film. I do have a problem with how it was used at the end of the fight. I understand it, but to me it's very weak and borderline laughable.
Agreed.
When I first read the rumor of the ending I was like "really"? but watching it play out I got what was going on in Bruce's head no problem. Here was a person before him not an "alien". In his mind he dehumanized him. Bruce had no idea that he had a mother he loved. From what he had read these creatures were grown in pods. In that moment he became a person who would not kill to save his mother or himself. Who was trying to reason with him and he refused to listen.
I agree with you. That does appear to be what Snyder was going for. I just don't think it worked and really do think that it could have worked better in an entirely different way.
