shauner111
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I guess they make mistakes, and they also kill people and torture them in sadistic ways! It's all good though, right? As long as they beg forgiveness, it's back to square one. Back to the good ol' Batman. Just a temporary period of 2 to 10 years where he's out of character. No big deal!You're quoting a part of my post in which I essentially said "This isn't Batman". You're right, and that was the point.
I'd wholeheartedly agree with you if the film showed Batman to be this way for no reason whatsoever or made it seems like there was no problem with what he was doing. However, the film DOES give a reason for him to have been that way and the film DOES show/explain that he was wrong to have been this way (along with his one and only ally objecting to his actions and seriously questioning/doubting him). Beyond that, the film suggests that he wasn't always this way and also that he has "changed" by the end, so I disagree with the blanket statement that he's just an all-around horrible, terrible, stupid human being.
Rather, he's just a human being. Human beings make mistakes. They suffer from things PTSD and depression which make them act out of character and cloud their judgement. They accomplish great things and experience success, and they also fail at things which lead them to question or doubt themselves and the world around them. They suffer from personal loss and struggle to move on. They go through dark periods that either swallow them whole and destroy their lives completely, or dark periods that they're able to rise up from and learn from.
It's not about people wanting to "make the argument" that he's broken and bitter. He literally was broken, bitter, jaded, and misguided. There's no arguing against it, and that's what led him to act like the right wing jerk that you have every right to claim he was -- because he was. The Metropolis incident seemed to have just been the "straw that broke the camel's back", so to speak.
Batman is a special character to most (or all) of us, and despite the character's ability to be endlessly reinterpreted in different ways, we all have our own vision of an ideal Batman.
So ultimately, I understand some people are just uncomfortable with seeing Batman act like that at all, or simply refuse to accept a version of Batman who allowed himself to temporarily "lose his way" and fall from "grace", acted out of character, made poor decisions that were fueled by his own inner turmoil, lost side of what his mission as Batman was really about, and even allowed himself to be manipulated by someone (Lex).

I didn't see Bale's Batman go on a killing/branding spree after he lost somebody close to him. I didn't see him look at Bane (a guy who killed a lot of people and had the ability to wipe out his entire city with INTENTION unlike Superman)...and lose it completely.
This Batman was spiritually and mentally weak in this movie. All he was was a meathead with anger issues. I pray that Ayer and Affleck himself can correct this somehow. Im sure they will. But Snyder ruined a lot for me.
Problem is, i don't think he's coming out saying "this is a different version. An experimentation." I bet he's thinking "Batman doesn't have it in him anymore to kill Superman. He won't brand criminals anymore. But he's still an a-hole who will kill anything that gets in his way. Cuz you know, it's fine right? That's what he does! They do it in every other awesome version i've seen soooo..We can have fun with that right?"