BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 2

[metaphysician]

I'll cheerfully sound pithy. He's either a bloodthirsty manchild who should be writing bad fan fiction, or a stone cold moron.

Put a bloody sharp, pointy halberd in the hands of someone, and it's obvious you intend that person to be a killer. Unless just out of shot is a giant cork, that Batman squeezes over the end of the thing just before they go into battle.

"No Robin! I said you could have the medieval killing device, but the cork stays on when you poke it at Joker!".

Its not even like its a weapon where you could plausibly use it nonlethally. A sword, you can use to disarm or strike with the flat or cut someone in a painful-but-nonfatal manner ( at least with comic book skill ). Likewise with a spear, or a bow. But a *halberd*? What, is it covered with Bat Wound Cauterizing Goo, and the logic is "the hand that breaks the law will be removed"?

 

[Kelly]

How about we get back to...oh I don't know....posting reviews?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have to say upon 2nd viewing I found the villains to be better. Lex especially being the main bad guy I understood his motivations more and the rationale behind them, he came off as more menacing in some scenes for me as well.

I enjoyed Doomsday more also, I still think they should have used Bizarro or Metallo again. But it seems another Doomsday was made on Krypton at one point, and maybe this is the one we may see in any future appearances, I hope so, with a more accurate look. But I liked a bit more what they did here on 2nd viewing. He was extremely powerful, and literally the only way to stop it was to kill it.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Not had a chance as yet to write a review, score or thoughts and I will at some point, but for now, simply will say I loved every minute of it and for me, a great cinematic experience and a 10/10.

 

[FunkMiller]

How about we get back to...oh I don't know....posting reviews?

Sorry, Kelly.

Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice. A review by Superhero Hype Board Member M1LL3R:

*Long low fart noise, culminating in an unfortunate case of follow through*.

4/10.

There we go.

 

[Bren]

My review...

Batman v Superman - A film best viewed in screenshots.
The end.
5 / 10.

 

[batfreakforever]

This is a comic book cinematic masterpiece. I've seen it 3 times with my gf and I rate it 10/10 edge of my seat from start to end. Just seeing Batman in the DKR suit and fighting Superman made it perfect for me.

 

[Spiderdevil]

That's completely wrong.

It's not that Superman can't make money.
It's that ****** Superman films can't make money.

We have a Superman world where:
Pa Kent died via tornado
Lois gets in trouble about 20 times a film
Everything about Lex Luthor
Lois and Clark have zero chemistry or reason to be together
Clark Kent is declared dead and had an open casket funeral
Superman dies in his second film (really helps the tension for future films knowing the main character died and came back from the dead)
He beat his first villain but killing him
Jimmy Olsen is a CIA agent and gets a bullet in his head
Superman is silent and gets 43 lines in a 153 minute film meaning he gets lines for 1/3 of the films that are simple sentence

And so so much more.

People don't hate Superman and it's not that Superman can't make money.
It's that ****** Superman films can't make money.

Even though you are right, I also think Superman is irrelevant in the modern era, he is completely unrelatable and boring, very hard to market, I don't think we are gonna see a solo Superman movie for atleast a decade

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Even though you are right, I also think Superman is irrelevant in the modern era, he is completely unrelatable and boring, very hard to market, I don't think we are gonna see a solo Superman movie for atleast a decade

Yet, they can make perfectly good Captain America movies.

 

[Spiderdevil]

time out, how does batman stop him without killing him?
The threat as he exlplains is that there is an alien with the power to destroy eveyone inside of a weekend and even if he's not the enemy today we've seen what power can do and more to the point we've seen other allies change, even break promises. Then we see a vision in which superman loses something and does this very thing?
But again, how do you stop him without killing him...given what's available in this film?
Surely not your proposed showing him our desperate cards so that tmr he knows not that we can beat him but rather how.

'ok now that I've shown you I can beat you, please don't come at me any differently tmr, be a good boy forever'. It's not exactly a surprise you can play twice..

A cage with Kryptononite bars

It doesn't matter how you twist it, Batman's motivations for killing Superman were stupid as hell, a better way for it to go down would have been Batman figuring out a way to depower Superman and to trap him into it, while Supes somehow proves his righteousness for Batman to change his mind

 

[WormyT]

That's completely wrong.

It's not that Superman can't make money.
It's that ****** Superman films can't make money.

We have a Superman world where:
Pa Kent died via tornado
Lois gets in trouble about 20 times a film
Everything about Lex Luthor
Lois and Clark have zero chemistry or reason to be together
Clark Kent is declared dead and had an open casket funeral
Superman dies in his second film (really helps the tension for future films knowing the main character died and came back from the dead)
He beat his first villain but killing him
Jimmy Olsen is a CIA agent and gets a bullet in his head
Superman is silent and gets 43 lines in a 153 minute film meaning he gets lines for 1/3 of the films that are simple sentence

And so so much more.

People don't hate Superman and it's not that Superman can't make money.
It's that ****** Superman films can't make money.

Even though I enjoyed MOS and BvS I agree with everything you wrote. The movies are NOT in the tone that the general audience want. I remember hearing an audible gasp from the audience when superman smashed the african warlord through the wall. It was like "Jeez, did he have to splat that guy"? And it was the same all the way through. The general audiences aren't really digging this grim elseworlds version of Supes.
The Captain america movies ARE good movies to compare these to. That character has the goofiest costume in history, yet he works on screen! Theres murder, love/loss friendships, betrayals and goofy villains. And it all works great.

 

[Marvin]

A cage with Kryptononite bars

It doesn't matter how you twist it, Batman's motivations for killing Superman were stupid as hell, a better way for it to go down would have been Batman figuring out a way to depower Superman and to trap him into it, while Supes somehow proves his righteousness for Batman to change his mind

Replace better with 'what spiderD would have wanted', and we'll find ourselves in agreement. 'while supes somehow proves...for batman to change his mind'...ok well I'll give you points for comic booky I guess.

At risk of derailing this thread I think people really need to double down on the examination of just what it is that batman fears about superman for it's stated several times in the build up. It's a very simple matter of Batman at best seeing another Harvey Dent(white knight turned devil but with god powers) in this person. And Harvey proved himself very righteous before his 'one bad day'. The fear that anyone no matter how white knighty can turn from saint to any range of things, in conjunction to seeing the untold power every few days...to the idea that this isn't some sane person, he's even more insane than he(bruce) usually is with the costuming above the law stuff but then I have to read stuff like no normal person would 'go that far..' well he's already gone well beyond normal, for alfred is the one representing 'normal' and he expresses as much for this very point. All three of those things work in conjuction to make this 'motivation' sound.
For me anyways.

 

[FunkMiller]

At risk of derailing this thread I think people really need to double down on the examination of just what it is that batman fears about superman for it's stated several times in the build up. It's a very simple matter of Batman at best seeing another Harvey Dent(white knight turned devil but with god powers) in this person. And Harvey proved himself very righteous before his 'one bad day'. The fear that anyone no matter how white knighty can turn from saint to any range of things.

So...

"This is a god on earth. He hasn't done anything wrong yet, but he might, so I'd better kill him."

...is that about it?

 

[Marvin]

Define 'wrong'. Your sig alone would label him a murdering 'god'(who opens the movie supposedly doing more at his leisure), that about right?

And the operative word is actually stop.

 

[FunkMiller]

Define 'wrong'. Your sig alone would label him a murdering 'god'(who opens the movie supposedly doing more at his leisure), that about right?

And the operative word is actually stop.

Meh, ignore my sig. It's more for ****s and giggles than anything else. The point is that my faked quote is what Batmans motivations in the movie are. Would you agree?

And you say stop, but it was pretty clear he meant to kill him - that whole 1% certainty speech, the spear etc. Etc.

 

[Marvin]

Meh, ignore my sig. It's more for ****s and giggles than anything else. The point is that my faked quote is what Batmans motivations in the movie are. Would you agree?

And you say stop, but it was pretty clear he meant to kill him - that whole 1% certainty speech, the spear etc. Etc.

not sure what your meaning is with this 'faked quote'. Superman like in the books is technically a murderer and is hardly innocent of doing wrong. He's often acting above the law at that. I only say this in response to your 'done nothing wrong' question. If batman was aiming to kill that 13 year old that just learned what he was from another world I'd see your point for all it's glory, but this is after the fact though funny enough exactly what Jon kent warned us all of. As far as batman's pov, that girls dead mother is on superman. 'Right or wrong' if that's his starting point then we are beyond the 'done nothing wrong' point.

But sure to answer your actual question, stop means kill given the circumstances, they are one in the same in terms of options. Like if galactus showed up and batman only had one way to 'stop him'. Someone said above about how proving you could beat him actively stops him in the future...because that's stopped him in injustice or that's stopped magneto from his continuous attempts at genocide.
To answer your question plainly, if batman could removes dudes powers forever, I'm sure he'd choose that. In short, t's like asking why did batman plan to kill doomsday? He planned to stop him indefinitely and with the only way available.

 

[FunkMiller]

not sure what your meaning is with this 'faked quote'. Superman like in the books is technically a murderer and is hardly innocent of doing wrong. He's often acting above the law at that. I only say this in response to your 'done nothing wrong' question. If batman was aiming to kill that 13 year old that just learned what he was from another world I'd see your point for all it's glory, but this is after the fact though funny enough exactly what Jon kent warned us all of. As far as batman's pov, that girls dead mother is on superman. 'Right or wrong' if that's his starting point then we are beyond the 'done nothing wrong' point.

But sure to answer your actual question, stop means kill given the circumstances, they are one in the same in terms of options. Like if galactus showed up and batman only had one way to 'stop him'. Someone said above about how proving you could beat him actively stops him in the future...because that's stopped him in injustice or that's stopped magneto from his continuous attempts at genocide.
To answer your question plainly, if batman could removes dudes powers forever, I'm sure he'd choose that. In short, t's like asking why did batman plan to kill doomsday? He planned to stop him indefinitely and with the only way available.

I meant it's a quote I made up to articulate Batman's motivation in this movie.

Batman wants to kill Superman now, in case he does something evil in the future. That's essentially what he says in the 1% speech. I presume he's not dumb enough to believe Superman was responsible for the events of MoS, given that it was 18 months ago - and because he's Batman, so would have had plenty of time to study and understand what happened in Metropolis.

 

[Marvin]

I meant it's a quote I made up to articulate Batman's motivation in this movie.

Batman wants to kill Superman now, in case he does something evil in the future. That's essentially what he says in the 1% speech. I presume he's not dumb enough to believe Superman was responsible for the events of MoS, given that it was 18 months ago - and because he's Batman, so would have had plenty of time to study and understand what happened in Metropolis.

I just saw the murderous decu or something to that end and figured you were highlighting the common sentiment that all the heroes kill or have(unlike some other universes I suppose). Guess I was wrong.

And yes, i'm sure bats understands what happened that day, just as I'm sure everyone that hates superman in that world does(See wallace), hate is still hate. Just ask mos superman caused destruction nonfans. It's not always a rational response.. again confronted by alfred. Batman is fueled and perhaps clouded by anger, just as he no doubt is about the other man that made him feel powerless that first time he sat and watched his family killed. Still all beside the point because like you said, yes all men, even the great(see dent) are capable of turning and yes batman the batman of the books is all about premeditated contingencies for all metas(his friends in particular) in case of turns or mind control(ivy) or any sorts of things. This batman just happens to further down the hole and not blessed with all that many options. So sure, stop/kill him now and save the world is the assertion made about the motivation until he finds his humanity again.

 

[FunkMiller]

I just saw the murderous decu or something to that end and figured you were highlighting the common sentiment that all the heroes kill or have(unlike some other universes I suppose). Guess I was wrong.

And yes, i'm sure bats understands what happened that day, just as I'm sure everyone that hates superman in that world does(See wallace), hate is still hate. Just ask mos superman caused destruction nonfans. It's not always a rational response.. again confronted by alfred. Batman is fueled and perhaps clouded by anger, just as he no doubt is about the other man that made him feel powerless that first time he sat and watched his family killed. Still all beside the point because like you said, yes all men, even the great(see dent) are capable of turning and yes batman the batman of the books is all about premeditated contingencies for all metas(his friends in particular) in case of turns or mind control(ivy) or any sorts of things. This batman just happens to further down the hole and not blessed with all that many options. So sure, stop/kill him now and save the world is the assertion made about the motivation until he finds his humanity again.

Okay, I just find it to be so far removed from who Batman classically is that almost becomes a completely different character. But, the title of the movie is Batman V Superman, so I guess the cool, calculating, prepared, careful genius element of Batman had to go out of the window for the sake of the plot. Not the first time it's happened in character adaptations, not the last.

 

[TeeKay]

The idea that Superman isnt a money maker or simply cant be adapted to the big screen is laughable considering what Marvel is doing with Captain America.

 

[MadVillainy]

The idea that Superman isnt a money maker or simply cant be adapted to the big screen is laughable considering what Marvel is doing with Captain America.

I was with you until you mentioned Cap.
While there are a lot of similarities and a lot of lessons Superman writers can take from it I think Supes doesn't need too much help from Marvel's approach to Cap.

First of all, give Superman some personality. It's been 3 damn films in 10 years and poor boy is just lifeless. Superman/Clark Kent isn't Iron Man or Spider-Man but he's not a mute. I don't know know why people keep messing this up.

 

[Marvin]

^Superman has made plenty of money... That his 'begins' made more than batmans and cap's says plenty on the matter of comparison. Superman's issue is that he can't just make money like the rest can just make money.

Okay, I just find it to be so far removed from who Batman classically is that almost becomes a completely different character. But, the title of the movie is Batman V Superman, so I guess the cool, calculating, prepared, careful genius element of Batman had to go out of the window for the sake of the plot. Not the first time it's happened in character adaptations, not the last.

Fair enough. I hated most of nolans work for similar reasons. Just when it came to those types of reasons I made the distinction between letting me down and being bad. In my rants anyways. That he's a genius and all that other stuff you listed would technically get in the way of the plots of all these batman movies...is what it is I suppose.

 

[TeeKay]

I was with you until you mentioned Cap.
While there are a lot of similarities and a lot of lessons Superman writers can take from it I think Supes doesn't need too much help from Marvel's approach to Cap.

That wasn't my point.

First of all, give Superman some personality. It's been 3 damn films in 10 years and poor boy is just lifeless. Superman/Clark Kent isn't Iron Man or Spider-Man but he's not a mute. I don't know know why people keep messing this up.

Not with Snyder at the helm. lol He hates Superman.

 

[MadVillainy]

That wasn't my point.



Not with Snyder at the helm. lol He hates Superman.

What was your point

and I don't think it's strictly a Snyder problem. Singer did the same thing.

 

[TeeKay]

That Cap is defined as an all American boy scout, who's boring and not interesting yet Marvel made him work without changing any of his defining character traits.