Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[Captain Marvel]

I read some post earlier that made comparison that Bts vs Supes= tony stark vs Daredevil.

You missed the point of that argument. One guy said that Lex Luthor was a weaker opponent than Batman, because apparently Batman's kung fu skills make him super-powerful. I was pointing out that Lex Luthor's "super power", much like in the case with Tony Stark, is his power armor. Claiming that Batman is more powerful than Luthor while denying Luthor his greatest weapon is disingenuous at best.

In my opinion, a more accurate comparison would be Tony Stark vs Reed Richards. which then begs the question; just because Tony gonna wear the armor to the battle, does it automatically means that Richards is toast? I would say that even with all the armor, the most brilliant mind on the planet would pose a legitimate threat to tony...regardless of lacks of armor.

That's not a valid comparison, either. For one thing, Iron Man's nowhere near as powerful as Superman is. He can't move faster than thought. He can't see or hear you from the other side of the blast. He can't blast you with repulsor rays from orbit. Moreover, his power is derived from technology. Of course Reed can beat him, because Reed is a master of technology. He could whip up some sort of EMP which Iron Man's armor won't be able to avoid (Tony's armor is usually hardened against EMP's), or a computer virus or whatever to mess up with Tony's hardware.

That's not the case with Superman at all. Not to mention that Batman is nowhere near the level of Reed Richards as far as intelligence is concerned. I can't believe anyone actually made a comparison that ridiculous. Has Batman ever created a room in which the distance to cross it continues to double as you walk into it, making it impossible to ever reach the other side of the room? No? Then he's nowhere near being in the same league as Reed Richards. He's not even playing the same sport. When comparing the orders of intelligence, Reed Richards is playing Major League Baseball while Batman's playing paper football in pre-school.

And to me, Batman is the DC version of Reed Richards...with ninja skills

Then you're delusional.

 

[Drz]

i've never read those stories you mentioned..i take it it's from all star Superman? from Grant Morrison?

Oh those parts are from All Star Superman, but we can take other inventions from other writers too if you wish. Like the time Superman created a liveable world in the Phantom Zone.

the guy who, when he wrote JLA said in a wizard interview that the one man can take down the whole league is the one member who doesn't have power?

Really you're going with 90s Interviews about what a Writer had said, not ever written?

is it considered cannon?

All Star line was continuity free but Morrison references his own work such as his Justice League comics.

as in does it takes place in regular DC continuity?

Well they're not going to end Superman fixing the sun permamently of course, butit's part of Morrison's regular DC continuity which is as good as any other writers. Superman fixes the sun and resurfaces in DC One Million which was a Justice League event written by him.

Funny. You complained a few posts ago that Godzilla was dumbing down Supes to support his argument, and yet you do the same.

No i haven't. Tell me what Batman has done in the field of science to put him on par with Superman and Luthor, go ahead.

What's the point since it's already happened in the actual comics. but since you asked, my fav scenario would involve months in planning...hookers dressed up as super girl..and Kryptonian veneral disease...happy? hehe

Citations and sources needed.

So...that's his abilities...much like his x-ray vision and superspeed.It doesn't say anything about his intellect.

He can utilize his powers within science, thats my point. He can create little stars and whatnot for example.

If it's a mortal kombat style fight..sure...but what if batman already planned for the fight months before supes even knows that there's gonna be a fight? and before you say copout...i seem to remember that Bruce has a contigency plan to deal with each and every member of the JLA should they ever gone rogue? and it's happened in regular DCU continuity if i remember correctly...

You do realize the Tower of Babel arc didn't stop Superman at all in the story? But Ras' al Ghul did find a way of stopping Batman by trolling him with his parents corpses and a Lazarus Pit, thats the easiest way to control Batman. So yeah while using Tower of Babel you must remember Superman wasn't stopped anyway, he became more powerful as he was more exposed to the sun.

not a what if scenario like the all star line.

It's not a what if, it's a Grant Morrison story on Superman's last adventure and how the Superman Dynasty is more or less born, something thats part of DC continuity alongside Superman becoming the sun god himself and him resurfacing from the sun, reuniting with his wife Lois Lane and living happily ever after in New Krypton while alongside re-uniting with his father, now thats what i call a happy ending.

Batman's ending we don't know, but Gotham does become an utopia of peace.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

You missed the point of that argument. One guy said that Lex Luthor was a weaker opponent than Batman, because apparently Batman's kung fu skills make him super-powerful. I was pointing out that Lex Luthor's "super power", much like in the case with Tony Stark, is his power armor. Claiming that Batman is more powerful than Luthor while denying Luthor his greatest weapon is disingenuous at best.

I can agree with this. It's only fair that if both guys should fight, and one guy allows to have all his powers etc...then the other guy should too.

That's not a valid comparison, either. For one thing, Iron Man's nowhere near as powerful as Superman is. He can't move faster than thought. He can't see or hear you from the other side of the blast. He can't blast you with repulsor rays from orbit. Moreover, his power is derived from technology. Of course Reed can beat him, because Reed is a master of technology. He could whip up some sort of EMP which Iron Man's armor won't be able to avoid (Tony's armor is usually hardened against EMP's), or a computer virus or whatever to mess up with Tony's hardware.

That's not the case with Superman at all. Not to mention that Batman is nowhere near the level of Reed Richards as far as intelligence is concerned. I can't believe anyone actually made a comparison that ridiculous. Has Batman ever created a room in which the distance to cross it continues to double as you walk into it, making it impossible to ever reach the other side of the room? No? Then he's nowhere near being in the same league as Reed Richards. He's not even playing the same sport. When comparing the orders of intelligence, Reed Richards is playing Major League Baseball while Batman's playing paper football in pre-school.

And now you're missing MY point. By My comparison, i'm am not suggesting that Superman is on equal level with Iron man...or Batman is on an equal level with RIchards..geez. what i was trying to get across is if a battle like batman vs Superman should happen in the Marvel universe, it would be like Iron man vs Mr fantastic...power vs brain... figuratively speaking, of course. if it's iron man vs daredevil, it would not be accurate, since daredevil is not known for being THAT smart. he's street level guy with street smart...that's all he is.

Then you're delusional

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No need to get your panties in a bunch

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

R

eally you're going with 90s Interviews about what a Writer had said, not ever written?

Why not? i'll take the word of the guy who actually wrote about said characters than the words of a fanboy anyday.

No i haven't. Tell me what Batman has done in the field of science to put him on par with Superman and Luthor, go ahead

uhh,,, yes you do, when you made it sounds like all he's ever done is created batarangs. But since i don't know all those stories you mentioned, i'll take your word for it.

Citations and sources needed.

Uhh..you do know i was joking about the Kryptonian veneral disease, right?

You do realize the Tower of Babel arc didn't stop Superman at all in the story? But Ras' al Ghul did find a way of stopping Batman by trolling him with his parents corpses and a Lazarus Pit, thats the easiest way to control Batman. So yeah while using Tower of Babel you must remember Superman wasn't stopped anyway, he became more powerful as he was more exposed to the sun.

The POINT is, we're talking about a guy who has a contigency plans to take you down, even while you're drinking coffee with the guy.You said that Supes will take him down before he even knows there's a fight...and i say, stories like tower of babel showed that he's planning for a fight..and how to win that fight even before you know there's gonna be fight..

It's not a what if, it's a Grant Morrison story on Superman's last adventure and how the Superman Dynasty is more or less born, something thats part of DC continuity alongside Superman becoming the sun god himself and him resurfacing from the sun, reuniting with his wife Lois Lane and living happily ever after in New Krypton while alongside re-uniting with his father, now thats what i call a happy ending.

Batman's ending we don't know, but Gotham does become an utopia of peace.

I've never read Superman all star...because i'm not really a fan of grant's writing....and quitely's art is not...my cup of tea. But that sounds interesting. I might check it out...Isnt there also an animated movie coming out ?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Drz, the time machine thing you mentioned, I found out what happened to it: Superman sold it to Batman, and spent the money on his wedding ring, as well as upgrading several items in the Fortress of Solitude, including a new entertainment system, and maybe some hookers. Batman now uses it to extend prep time to however long he likes. Batman is now unstoppable, *****es!

 

[Captain Marvel]

Drz, the time machine thing you mentioned, I found out what happened to it: Superman sold it to Batman, and spent the money on his wedding ring, as well as upgrading several items in the Fortress of Solitude, including a new entertainment system, and maybe some hookers. Batman now uses it to extend prep time to however long he likes. Batman is now unstoppable, *****es!

In other words, Batman can only beat Superman with Superman's help.

Thank you once again for conceeding.

 

[Drz]

And now you're missing MY point. By My comparison, i'm am not suggesting that Superman is on equal level with Iron man...or Batman is on an equal level with RIchards..geez. what i was trying to get across is if a battle like batman vs Superman should happen in the Marvel universe, it would be like Iron man vs Mr fantastic...power vs brain... figuratively speaking, of course. if it's iron man vs daredevil, it would not be accurate, since daredevil is not known for being THAT smart. he's street level guy with street smart...that's all he is.

Thats just doing disjustice to the character. Daredevil is much more than that, he's an Avengers hero more or less, sure it took Brian Michael Bendis over years, but he's finally putting him as an Avenger which Daredevil is qualified. Daredevil is more much then just a streeet level smart guy.

Why not? i'll take the word of the guy who actually wrote about said characters than the words of a fanboy anyday.

Because a mere comment from over 10 years ago does not hold any value, it's like trying to citate something a novelist said years ago, would he even remember that? Would he still even beleive that? Was it ever a serious comment to begin with?

uhh,,, yes you do, when you made it sounds like all he's ever done is created batarangs. But since i don't know all those stories you mentioned, i'll take your word for it.

So again you can't name a single Batman made device that outshines Supermans? The batarang was a joke, but even Batman's most clever device isn't much to brag, which should be the Batcomputer.

Uhh..you do know i was joking about the Kryptonian veneral disease, right?

And i ask again: Give some proper citations instead of jokes, if you want this discussion to go forward.

The POINT is, we're talking about a guy who has a contigency plans to take you down, even while you're drinking coffee with the guy.You said that Supes will take him down before he even knows there's a fight...and i say, stories like tower of babel showed that he's planning for a fight..and how to win that fight even before you know there's gonna be fight..

And i'm saying that the 1st strike by Superman happens so fast, Batman can't even register it. Unless you're going to say Superman is going to be stupid, lets Batman know whats happening and isn't going to use his powers but allows himself to go all slow and steady for Batman to prepare himself, which is where we come to Godzilla's Brain damaged Superman he likes to write about.

I've never read Superman all star...because i'm not really a fan of grant's writing....and quitely's art is not...my cup of tea. But that sounds interesting. I might check it out...Isnt there also an animated movie coming out ?

It already came out, but like the other adapted DTVs the comic is a better version.

Drz, the time machine thing you mentioned, I found out what happened to it: Superman sold it to Batman, and spent the money on his wedding ring, as well as upgrading several items in the Fortress of Solitude, including a new entertainment system, and maybe some hookers. Batman now uses it to extend prep time to however long he likes. Batman is now unstoppable, *****es!

Interesting, more fan fiction from you where you write Superman as brain damaged and Batman as the overlord, didn't you claim you we're rooting for the Underdog? Wheres your argument towards Superman's victory then?

 

[Godzilla2014]

In other words, Batman can only beat Superman with Superman's help.

Thank you once again for conceeding.

Thats just doing disjustice to the character. Daredevil is much more than that, he's an Avengers hero more or less, sure it took Brian Michael Bendis over years, but he's finally putting him as an Avenger which Daredevil is qualified. Daredevil is more much then just a streeet level smart guy.


Because a mere comment from over 10 years ago does not hold any value, it's like trying to citate something a novelist said years ago, would he even remember that? Would he still even beleive that? Was it ever a serious comment to begin with?


So again you can't name a single Batman made device that outshines Supermans? The batarang was a joke, but even Batman's most clever device isn't much to brag, which should be the Batcomputer.


And i ask again: Give some proper citations instead of jokes, if you want this discussion to go forward.



And i'm saying that the 1st strike by Superman happens so fast, Batman can't even register it. Unless you're going to say Superman is going to be stupid, lets Batman know whats happening and isn't going to use his powers but allows himself to go all slow and steady for Batman to prepare himself, which is where we come to Godzilla's Brain damaged Superman he likes to write about.



It already came out, but like the other adapted DTVs the comic is a better version.

Interesting, more fan fiction from you where you write Superman as brain damaged and Batman as the overlord, didn't you claim you we're rooting for the Underdog? Wheres your argument towards Superman's victory then?

To the both of you, because apparently it wasn't clear enough in the post itself:
IT'S A ****ING JOKE! NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well, Batman definitely won that one, with no special gadgets even!

 

[Drz]

So you cannot provide a proper argument and reduce into trolling, Batman would be ashamed of you, but maybe not your overlord fictional not-comic Batman.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Ok..ladies and germs...i'm outta this discussion. Two pages of discussion on who can beat who is my limit before i starts to feel like the comicbook guy from the Simpson.

Spam you later!

 

[Godzilla2014]

Ok..ladies and germs...i'm outta this discussion. Two pages of discussion on who can beat who is my limit before i starts to feel like the comicbook guy from the Simpson.

Spam you later!

You have the right idea. I can't even make a joke without being considered a troll. **** it, I'm out of here.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Superman can flick Batman to death.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea, Superman would speed blitz Batman into paste before he can even think a single thought, if he really wanted to.

 

[Superman 1265]

 

[dnno1]

A pretty well edited fan made video of Batman vs. Superman:

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[ЯɘvlveR]

that was pretty cool.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Just recently in the comics Superman beat Batman half to death. Unless Batman uses Kryptonite there is no way in hell he can beat Superman. Batman can punch and throw baterangs at Superman all day and Superman could just stand there. Superman could punch Batman so hard his head would explode.

Here's the thing. If we portray Superman with half a brain then yeah there is functionally no way Batman can win. It's like Thor vs Spider-man. There are tricks he could use to slow him down and get a few licks in but ultimately he'd simply be overpowered. And we can run through any number of scenerios. But saying "all Batman needs is a kryptonite bullet", is just a silly as saying "well all Superman needs is a lead bullet". Batman wears bullet proof clothing, why wouldn't Superman were something to protect himself from Kryptonite? It's really a dumb loophole for the character that is too often exploited for him to not have figured "hey maybe I should do something about his right now". In the comics he now wears some sort of armor anyway. And with Superspeed he could take Bats out in a sec. It's silly, Batman has like one ace up his sleeve that everyone knows about. Superman has like million but some people still don't think he can win

 

[Raiden]

For people who argue that Batman can defeat Superman if he has Kryptonite, I'd like to know, how is that possible? Didn't Lex Luthor had a power suit literally constructed with Kryptonites in the past? Didn't countless Superman villains tried to use Kryptonite to defeat the last son of Krypton? Why is it that if Batman uses this meteorite rock, then he'd score a victory against Superman, who has seen it all before and then some? And isn't Superman about as fast as Flash? Before Batman can whip out that Kryptonite, Superman should already be on top of him and deliver a blow that would send him from Gotham City to Metropolis. This discussion about whether Batman can really defeat Superman is rather silly imo.

 

[Enriquespy]

like Stan lee says if its circumstantial in the fight any hero or villian can beat any hero or villain,it depends who's writing it.

FINALLY!!!

In my opinion there is no sense in keeping arguing after reading this.





[BLACKOUT]
But Batman would still win!!![/BLACKOUT]

 

[shadowknyght]

I'd give the fight to Batman all day. Superman is way more powerful than Batman, but Batman does have crytonite. Also Superman is pretty arrogant. A criminal with a cryptonite bullet in a lead casing would kill Superman, no problem. Superman would just stand there and take the bullet assuming he'd be fine. Then...bullet in the chest, not only that, but if the bullet doesn't immediately kill Superman, he's very weak and with no real fighting skills, the criminal would just beat him to death. With that being said, how much easier would it be for someone with Batman's level of intelligence to beat Superman.

If Superman wasn't as arrogant as he is, he'd just fly around and use his eye beams from hundreds of feet up. But Superman isn't that smart. He'd fly down and maybe even smack Batman around a bit. Batman would throw some random batterangs and the'd bounce off of his chest. Then while Superman is talking...cause he would start talking, Batman would just press a button and those useless batterangs laying all around Superman would open up and reveal the cryptonite shards inside of them, then it's game over Superman.

Alot of you are moreso thinking about someone like yourself with Superman's powers vs Batman. The fact of the matter is that Superman is arrogant and he'd hold back because he'd know he wouldn't need to use all of his power on Batman, regardless of how smart Batman is, he's still just a man. And the fact that Superman doesn't freak out when he sees a green rock of any sort, means that all Batman would have to do is install some gadgets in his suit that utilize emeralds a few missions before, so Superman wouldn't worry about it when he sees Batman wielding green rocks, then before they fight, Batman just switches the emeralds with cryptonite and well...Superman is done. Superman is too powerful and his weakness is too dangerous, for him to ever beat Batman.

 

[Boy Scout]

Superman. That's all I have to say on that matter.

 

[The Guard]

If Superman was willing to kill or seriously maim Batman, he'd win in a heartbeat. But he isn't.

Whereas Batman cheats, so Batman is likely to always win this encounter.

 

[Cain]

I voted Superman. He's too smart to ever be truly legitimately defeated by a human being who's tactics and strategies he's more than familiar with. If he takes a loss it's because he's doing so by his terms and not because it was a legitimate loss. Lex beats him because of his familiar yet unpredictable nature but that's not the case with his BFF. The truth is that the more popular character would win; even if it's really all just fan ******* numbers dictate the results of these encounters.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

the guy who has everything.