The Dark Knight Batman's Competition in 2008

[I Am The Knight]

^^^ But The trailers and prologue for TDK are 10X better than the entire Iron Man movie. So we already won.

It's not about winning, you loony

 

[Stupify_me]

How can you say its gonna be better without even seeing it?

Stop being such a fanboy! no wonder no one wants to come in here. It's like you people don't live in reality.

I think it's pretty obvious. Iron-man was entertaining, but was a mindless action film. TDK just like Begins will have emotion and depth behind it. The story will be more important than the action. Which is the way a movie should always be. Iron-Man was entertaining, but I'll take a movie that is more than action/ comedy over it any day.

It's funny that I'm being called a fanatic since Ironman is one of my favorite comics of all time. Just as great as Batman to me. As far as the movies go though Iron-man had nothing bellow the surface.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It's not about winning, you loony

LOL, yea. What exactly would we be winning if TDK makes more than IM or vice versa? It's the executives pockets getting fatter, not ours.

Edit: For me, winning is TDK making enough so that WB greenlights another film with Nolan.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think it's pretty obvious. Iron-man was entertaining, but was a mindless action film. TDK just like Begins will have emotion and depth behind it. The story will be more important than the action. Which is the way a movie should always be. Iron-Man was entertaining, but I'll take a movie that is more than action/ comedy over it any day.

It's funny that I'm being called a fanatic since Ironman is one of my favorite comics of all time. Just as great as Batman to me. As far as the movies go though Iron-man had nothing bellow the surface.

Sure, IM wasn't 2001 but to dismiss it as a "mindless" action film and "nothing below the surface" is a bit harsh. Don't let the movie's tone fool you. IM even explores some of the same themes that BB did. The 2 movies are very similar in execution, even...But BB is more serious, mainly due to it's protagonist's more somber nature, in comparison to IM's.

 

[Iron_Stark]

^^^ But The trailers and prologue for TDK are 10X better than the entire Iron Man movie. So we already won.

I didn't post that to start a Batman vs Iron Man debate, I posted that figure because Norman was so hell bent on Iron Man not making that amount of money.

 

[Stupify_me]

Sure, IM wasn't 2001 but to dismiss it as a "mindless" action film and "nothing below the surface" is a bit harsh. Don't let the movie's tone fool you. IM even explores some of the same themes that BB did. The 2 movies are very similar in execution, even...But BB is more serious, mainly due to it's protagonist's more somber nature, in comparison to IM's.

I think your giving IM a bit more credit than it deserves, but I'll admit I was a little overly harsh as well. I actually really liked IM alot until I got on these boards and dealt with some of the more extreme IM fans they keep making me dislike the movie more and more. It's not really fair to the film. I still say that BB is a far better film and TDK will be as well. TDK so far looks to be better than even BB.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think your giving IM a bit more credit than it deserves, but I'll admit I was a little overly harsh as well. I actually really liked IM alot until I got on these boards and dealt with some of the more extreme IM fans they keep making me dislike the movie more and more. It's not really fair to the film. I still say that BB is a far better film and TDK will be as well. TDK so far looks to be better than even BB.

I also think BB is better than IM, and I expect TDK to be better than both of them. To tell you the truth I've seen that fanboyism you speak of from both IM and BB/TDK Hypers. That sense of empowerment....Needs to go away.

 

[StorminNorman]

Yea, and there weren't many people who predicted IM to be the top movie of the summer. But it sure as hell looks like that will happen now. In just a short time, it will pass $300 mil, the only movie this summer that had a shot at competing with that was Indy, IMO. IM has been nothing short of incredible at the BO, the positive WOM has been through the roof, just look at the week to week percentage drops, absolutely amazing. Anyone who still thinks TDK will top IM this summer is delusional.

I knew Iron Man would do very well.

But I don't know why anyone thinks TDK will not do similar numbers. Again - this is a movie with everything going for it. Its has an American Icon, it is coming off a hugely popular and well received movie, the marketing has been great, the trailers almost universally well received, and almost 100% name recognition - plus the death of Heath Ledger and no competition following it.

Again, Iron Man did very well - but even if it does make 300 Mil, that is nothing Batman can not top.

LOL $276.6 Million

I believe I went on to correct that statement. It was still incorrect, however - and I admit that. I thought Iron Man would be more front loaded than it turned out to be.

That's gonna be happening to Stormin Normin A lot this year.

We shall see. I have been correct on almost everything else about this summer...

It's just common sense at this point. IM is on its way to $310 mil. The reviews for TDK won't top IM (currently at 93% on RT) and the WOM for IM has been extraordinary and the week to week percentage dropoffs at the BO have been nothing short of amazing. Just looking at the numbers and putting the fanboy pom-poms away, it is obvious that TDK will not top IM.

The reviews for TDK will be every bit as good as Iron Man. People make FAR too much of the 93% RT freshness score - thats not a rating, thats the percentage of reviewers that recommended Iron Man. The actual ratings were a very mortal 7.8 (I believe last time I checked).

Again - even if we assume Iron Man makes 310 Million, thats not a number The Dark Knight can't reach.

You point to as strengths for IM being reviews, WOM and the BO percentage drop offs - I think we can all agree TDK will be a better movie than Iron Man (if its not, then it is a great disappointment) and Batman Begins had similar, if not better, legs - no reason to not expect that with TDK at this point either.

So again..where is it common sense that TDK won't have similar, if not better, numbers?

 

[Stupify_me]

I knew Iron Man would do very well.

So again..where is it common sense that TDK won't have similar, if not better, numbers?

Actually it's been pointed out to you several times at this point, but you choose to ignore it every time so we will instead just wait until TDK comes out and then collectively laugh at you.

 

[StorminNorman]

Sure, IM wasn't 2001 but to dismiss it as a "mindless" action film and "nothing below the surface" is a bit harsh. Don't let the movie's tone fool you. IM even explores some of the same themes that BB did. The 2 movies are very similar in execution, even...But BB is more serious, mainly due to it's protagonist's more somber nature, in comparison to IM's.

IM was about as deep as Transformers. I mean sure, you can find some serious themes lightly and superficially and simplistically addressed in both of them - but those movies were, in the end, a fantastic, fun, mindless pop corn flick.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

I agree with Stormin... IM was nice surprise and made great BO numbers, but there is no reason why TDK which has WAY more hype can't make those numbers too. People speak of word of mouth... but are you expecting TDK to have terrible word of mouth? Hell no. TDK has everything IM had going for it, and more.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

IM was about as deep as Transformers. I mean sure, you can find some serious themes lightly and superficially and simplistically addressed in both of them - but those movies were, in the end, a fantastic, fun, mindless pop corn flick.

I wouldn't go that far. Surely, even you can see that IM was a bit more mature than Transformers.

 

[Stupify_me]

IM was about as deep as Transformers. I mean sure, you can find some serious themes lightly and superficially and simplistically addressed in both of them - but those movies were, in the end, a fantastic, fun, mindless pop corn flick.

I patially agree all though I wouldn't rate IM that low. I found it to be much better than transformers which was a god awful movie. I Will agree that there wasn't much to it, but compared to Transformers it was one of the deepest movies in history. Transformers was straight up garbage.

 

[StorminNorman]

Edit!

 

[StorminNorman]

I didn't post that to start a Batman vs Iron Man debate, I posted that figure because Norman was so hell bent on Iron Man not making that amount of money.

Not saying I necessarily mind it right now, but eventually it would probably be good if you get off my dick

 

[StorminNorman]

I agree with Stormin... IM was nice surprise and made great BO numbers, but there is no reason why TDK which has WAY more hype can't make those numbers too. People speak of word of mouth... but are you expecting TDK to have terrible word of mouth? Hell no. TDK has everything IM had going for it, and more.

I wouldn't go that far. Surely, even you can see that IM was a bit more mature than Transformers.

Not really. I mean sure, IM was more appealing to mature audiences, but it is a property that lends itself to that. I mean Iron Man had the potential to have a good amount of depth - a commentary on arms manufacturing and what not, and it looked like it was going to play on that. Instead of actually treating the topic maturely, they simply cast a simplistic "evil arms dealers" story.

I mean if you want to look for it, Transformers had a story about larger powerful nations bearing responsibility for conflicts they cause in more simplistic lands.

Again - Iron Man was a better film, but a deeper one? No.

I patially agree all though I wouldn't rate IM that low. I found it to be much better than transformers which was a god awful movie. I Will agree that there wasn't much to it, but compared to Transformers it was one of the deepest movies in history. Transformers was straight up garbage.

I am not bashing IM in saying it wasn't deep - only stating a fact. IM was a far better film, but they are of the same mold. I don't agree that Transformers was "god awful", I think for a movie based on 80's transforming toys, it was damn near perfect.

 

[byte19]

LOL, yea. What exactly would we be winning if TDK makes more than IM or vice versa? It's the executives pockets getting fatter, not ours.

Edit: For me, winning is TDK making enough so that WB greenlights another film with Nolan.

thats MY win right there! some of you guys aren't real fanboys! a real fan is like me. say this..."TDK is made for ME!! not anyone else!!!! then it wouldn't matter if it make 300 mil. or 3 mil.!! you like it cause it's your film!!

 

[Van Petrol]

Exactly, all that really matters to us is that TDK makes enough to get a sequel. As far as what it actually makes, it isn't relevant, we're not getting a cut.

 

[kid bosco]

But isn't it obvious they are going to make a third film anyway?
Why does everyone here talk about the third film as if there may be no chance their going to make it?
We all know they will.
TDK can make $10 million less than BB (HAHAHAHAHA. NOT.) and they still will greenlight a third film.

And to the comments made about the one I made about "winning"....
Sure it's about winning; if it weren't then what the hell is the purpose of these debates about how much IM will make vs.TDK?
I don't understand your logic, so please enlighten me with how winning has nothing to do -- when the whole point of you IM bucket heads braging that TDK can't or won't outsell IM come July 18+ is so you can all point your finger and laugh and say "Told ya so!" ??

Which, of course, won't happen

Which is why i say TDK will own because everyone is hyped for it and have been for 6 months now.

And I stand by my earlier statement :
The trailers and prologue was 10X better than the entire bucket head movie.

I mean yeah, IM has had great word of mouth, but TDK has had great word of mouth for months now.

 

[The Man of Steel]

Hulk will crush this

 

[Bunker]

Hulk will crush this

Hulk beating TDK?

Your ignorance amuses me.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Hulk will crush this

You make me laugh.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Hulk beating TDK?

Your ignorance amuses me.

I remember the reaction on here when weeks before IM was released, some stated it would make $300 mil. They were basically laughed off the boards.

 

[StorminNorman]

I remember the reaction on here when weeks before IM was released, some stated it would make $300 mil. They were basically laughed off the boards.

The difference is that almost all of the advantages Iron Man has...Hulk either lacks or in fact hampered.

Hulk won't make half of what TDK will make.

 

[Octoberist]

hulk will do okay, but it won't do Iron Man records. Hell, it's in a worst situation than Batman Begins when it opened 8 years after B&R.