The Dark Knight Batman's Competition in 2008

What order will the comic book films come in at the box office in 2008???

  • The Dark Knight, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk

  • The Dark Knight, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man

  • Iron Man, The Dark Knight, The Incredible Hulk

  • Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, The Dark Knight

  • The Incredible Hulk, The Dark Knight, Iron Man

  • The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, The Dark Knight


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Super_Ludacris said:
Is Indiana Jones 4 ever coming out?
I'll believe it when i see it

As far as BB 2 being hurt by the box office by its dark tone, I think if anything given the critical praise, respectable box office run and great DVD sales of the first, it will probably do better than the first (by how much, I dont know)
I agree,with the way BB won ppl over who were slow to get into a new Batman i can see the sequel easily topping BB and with the Joker as the villain it should have another BO weapon
 
raybia said:
If all of these movies are released it will be the Greatest Geek movie year ever.
Agreed! :up::up::up:

Batman 2? Yes! Ender's Game? HELL Yes. Toy Story 3? FREAKING HELL YES. Hellboy 2? Can I buy my tickets now? Whedon's Wonder Woman? I can't WAIT!

Terminator 4, 24, Madagascar 2, Harry Potter, Narnia, Star Trek, X-Files 2, M'EH. Couldn't care less about any of those.

But HOLY GOD there are a lot of remakes in 2008! They're making a Smurfs movie? And a Speed Racer movie? And remaking the Seven Samurai? ARE THEY F-ING KIDDING ME?
 
AnimeJune said:
Agreed! :up::up::up:

Batman 2? Yes! Ender's Game? HELL Yes. Toy Story 3? FREAKING HELL YES. Hellboy 2? Can I buy my tickets now? Whedon's Wonder Woman? I can't WAIT!

Terminator 4, 24, Madagascar 2, Harry Potter, Narnia, Star Trek, X-Files 2, M'EH. Couldn't care less about any of those.

But HOLY GOD there are a lot of remakes in 2008! They're making a Smurfs movie? And a Speed Racer movie? And remaking the Seven Samurai? ARE THEY F-ING KIDDING ME?

agreed. crazyyyyyyy ****.
 
Ziyi Zhang has inked deals to star in both the live-action version of "Mulan" and the remake of "The Seven Samurai" for the Weinstein co. The Wachowski bros. are said to be interested in bringing "Speed Racer" to the big screen. 'Prince Caspian' was originally set for a December 2007 release until the producers realized they needed more time for the FX, so it was moved to a summer 2008 launch instead. Disney has been developing "Toy Story 3" before they finally got a deal together to keep Pixar in the "family". Lots of would-be blockbusters on the slate for 2008.

2008 does have a lot of remakes and that list is only of the films that are currently deep into the writing and/or pre-production phase. Expect the studios to announce many more 2008 releases over the year.

Regardless of the other would-be blockbusters hitting theaters that year, the Batman sequel sits at the top of my movie radar.
 
Who WOULDN'T see Indiana Jones 4? As much as I love Batman and Begins I think the giant hype behind Indy 4 would make it the top movie of the summer.

Release Batman in late May or early June, it can compete with Iron Man or anything else. But I wouldn't be surprised if the WB will keep an eye on Indy 4, it will be Batmans biggest competition...if it ever comes along that is.
 
TerryRL said:
Ziyi Zhang has inked deals to star in both the live-action version of "Mulan" and the remake of "The Seven Samurai" for the Weinstein co. The Wachowski bros. are said to be interested in bringing "Speed Racer" to the big screen. 'Prince Caspian' was originally set for a December 2007 release until the producers realized they needed more time for the FX, so it was moved to a summer 2008 launch instead. Disney has been developing "Toy Story 3" before they finally got a deal together to keep Pixar in the "family". Lots of would-be blockbusters on the slate for 2008.

2008 does have a lot of remakes and that list is only of the films that are currently deep into the writing and/or pre-production phase. Expect the studios to announce many more 2008 releases over the year.

Regardless of the other would-be blockbusters hitting theaters that year, the Batman sequel sits at the top of my movie radar.

I thought Toy Story 3 was not going to happen? I was pretty sure Pixar was dead set against it.
 
VaderRISE said:
Who WOULDN'T see Indiana Jones 4? As much as I love Batman and Begins I think the giant hype behind Indy 4 would make it the top movie of the summer.

Release Batman in late May or early June, it can compete with Iron Man or anything else. But I wouldn't be surprised if the WB will keep an eye on Indy 4, it will be Batmans biggest competition...if it ever comes along that is.

Me.
 
Indy will be the top movie. And another poster above mentioned Speed Racer. I hear Vince Vaughn is gonna play Racer-X. That's gonna be a cool flick if done right. They should do it sort of in the style of Sin City but a little more colorful.
 
Iron-Man being released May 2nd won't be a threat at all - he's less known than DD and FF and we saw how those films did. Indy 4 and Jurassic Park 4 will be however.

While I like Iron-Man and will be there opening day, it just doesn't have the general public appeal, but I could be wrong because it's such a great character.

The BB sequel should be big. Can't wait for stuff to start moving this Fall on it......
 
^ Being unknown doesn't mean anything in fact it's fresh concept to general public who don't read comics and complain if the source material is deviated from. Iron Man as a character has been popular for so many years for a reason. It's not gonna pull Spiderman or Superman numbers but it should come close to 200 million *IF* Favreau does the job I fully expect him too. The release date is key.
 
VaderRISE said:
Who WOULDN'T see Indiana Jones 4? As much as I love Batman and Begins I think the giant hype behind Indy 4 would make it the top movie of the summer.

Release Batman in late May or early June, it can compete with Iron Man or anything else. But I wouldn't be surprised if the WB will keep an eye on Indy 4, it will be Batmans biggest competition...if it ever comes along that is.

Man aint no one gonna care about another Indy film, Ford is like 60 plus and the adventure genre has been done ( and in a lotta cases badly,Saraha anyone?). People are seriously overestimating the buzz for another Indy 4. There's a reason why it's in development hell and that's cause they know there's zero intrest. I mean if Harrison Ford reprises his role who's gonna believe him as Indy at his age and it would take a lifetime to find a replacement especially with fanboy pressure.
 
Advanced Dark said:
^ Being unknown doesn't mean anything in fact it's fresh concept to general public who don't read comics and complain if the source material is deviated from. Iron Man as a character has been popular for so many years for a reason. It's not gonna pull Spiderman or Superman numbers but it should come close to 200 million *IF* Favreau does the job I fully expect him too. The release date is key.

Sure, I can agree with that, but FF, DD, The Punisher, Blade, and Elektra were also not really known to the general public - how did those films do?

This films saving grace is Favreau, thank God he's directing.
 
Super_Ludacris said:
Man aint no one gonna care about another Indy film, Ford is like 60 plus and the adventure genre has been done ( and in a lotta cases badly,Saraha anyone?). People are seriously overestimating the buzz for another Indy 4. There's a reason why it's in development hell and that's cause they know there's zero intrest. I mean if Harrison Ford reprises his role who's gonna believe him as Indy at his age and it would take a lifetime to find a replacement especially with fanboy pressure.

No one is going to care about a new indy film? Please.
 
zer00 said:
No one is going to care about a new indy film? Please.

How do you figure in this age people will care? Unless your an Indiana Jones fanboy it's gonna be hard. The following happens

1) Harrison Ford has aged and convincing an audience that Indiana Jones can still runaway from chasing boulders is asking for just way too much susepended disbelief. From a Critical standpoint it gets ripped for milking a franchise that while a classic has had it's time.

2) Indiana Jones is less of an action adventurer and is more a discoverer or an investigator at his age (a la Connery as Indy's pops or something) But then that defeats the point of an Indinana Jones movie if he isnt doing this. It's like Rocky V or something.

3) They try to replace Ford with a younger actor to play Jones and then even then people will be like "why?" and you will have months and years of people flamming and complaining over who they think should/shouldnt/should have been casted as Indiana Jones (Like Daniel Craig is getting with Bond now, I mean is there a Christian Bale equivalent to a new Indiana Jones that the fans undisputedly want cast? I think not). And then of course you will have people say Ford was the definitve Jones and it's pointless remaking him without him in his prime. Then if they try to call it a prequel or a remake, general audiences (by 2008) will groan and YET ANOTHER remake or prequel and milking a franchise that ended 18 years ago. And this aint like Batman and Superman it doesnt need another one because of a crappy final sequel from the orginal franchise so why re-boot?



This is why the Indiana Jones movie keeps getting pushed back, too many skeptical questions not enough convincing answers...
 
Indy will be #1 period. End of story. Nobody cares about Indy LOL. Funniest post of the decade. Good one. LOL Nobody cares about Star Wars either. LOL
 
I posted this ages ago. And I think it still holds true. BATMAN II will OWN the Summer of 2008. Batman will join the likes of, Spider-man, Superman, Harry Potter, The Matrix, and Lord of The Rings as an EVENT movie. One that not only will be marketed (Joker is VERY marketable), but will be well writen, acted and directed, as its original was. It will be a serious movie, yes, but Teenagers are a HUGE demographic and more "13 and up's" will come see this movie than you can believe.

Robin91939 said:
Yes, I know that it is early, yet Batman II promises to make more money than any Batman Film.

Let's crunch some numbers shall we?


BATMAN:----------Nationwide---$251,188,924---Worldwide---$413,200,000
BATMAN RETURNS: Nationwide---$162,831,698---Worldwide---$282,800,000
BATMAN FOREVER: Nationwide---$184,031,112---Worldwide---$335,000,000
BATMAN & ROBIN: Nationwide---$107,285,004---Worldwide---$237,200,000
BATMAN BEGINS*: Nationwide---$154,146,000---Worldwide---$268,100,000

*note, all BATMAN BEGINS numbers are growing.

Well, BATMAN BEGINS was the first Batman film in eight years, correct? Yes, and BATMAN BEGINS, centered entirely around the title character, for once. Yet, it has not appealed to the wide audience that we had hoped for it to have had. Also, its box office numbers, while solid, are not terrific. The movie is enjoying critical success, and is taking a great path through word of mouth. It is being endorsed as the "film of the year" by many of the top critics.

There are many excuses as to why the film isn't enjoying such lucrative success such as the Spider-man franchise. Let’s face it, very few movies can compete with these numbers:


SPIDER-MAN: Nationwide---$403,706,375---Worldwide---$806,700,000
SPIDER-MAN 2:Nationwide---$373,377,893---Worldwide---$783,577,893

SPIDER-MAN is the number six highest grossing movie off all time in the United States as well as the twelfth highest grossing film worldwide. SPIDER-MAN 2 is the eighth highest grossing film in the states and the fifteenth highest worldwide. These numbers are damn near impossible to compete with.

Yes, the excuses have been given as to why BATMAN BEGINS should have put up numbers like SPIDER-MAN and SPIDER-MAN 2. “Batman is DC’s premiere property”, “he is an icon”, “It’s a great film”, “terrific cast”, “IT’S BATMAN!”. There are tons of excuses and yet there are explanations as to why it didn’t do as well.

The Spider-man films had villains such as Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus. These are very marketable villains, and Doctor Octopus is a very iconic villain, almost as much as the Joker. These villains were very marketable and really great attention grabbers for fans and non-fans alike.

BATMAN BEGINS, did not have the marketable villains that Spider-man’s franchise has had. Ra’s Al Ghul, Carmine Falcone, and Scarecrow are not names that the public is familiar with, and that is a good thing. This allowed the fist film to build a foundation for future movies on the premise that it is Batman’s franchise. These, while being solid villains, some of the best in Batman’s rouge’s gallery they are not visually interesting (with the exclusion of Scarecrow).

Then there is the fact that Batman had FOUR, other onscreen interpretations in the last sixteen years. Spider-man had NEVER had an onscreen adaptation. All Marvel fans had had onscreen (that were successful) were BLADE(1999) and X-MEN (2000).

Say what you will about FANTASTIC FOUR being the “flagship” of Marvel, Spider-man is the most iconic Marvel character, bar none.

It wasn't a matter of year, but fans’ entire lives that they had been waiting for this Spider-man film. This site (formerly the “SpidermanHype!”) is proof of the anticipation.

Batman fans before BATMAN BEGINS, had four other films, serials, an amazing Animated Series, and a campy 60’s show and film. Batman fans had had their fill, and the non-fans had seen “Bat-mania” several times before.

Then there is the final reason, the ghost. The ghost of a franchise that disappointed on many levels. While some say BATMAN was a great film, I disagree; it was a fine attempt to depict Batman. It did its job and served its purpose to get the ball rolling, it was a solid onscreen adaptation, it had a marketable villain, but that was also the downfall. The villain became the movie.

With the second film, some say it was a great artistic approach, which it was. Yet, it was not Batman. This film, BATMAN RETURNS began the death of the franchise, great villains, wasted. Characters swallowed by their gimmicks. Cries from soccer mom’s that said it didn’t deserve a PG-13 rating.

The movie was then toned down in the third installment and became the second highest grossing film in the franchise, and was critically acclaimed as the revival of the franchise. Had it not been over hashed by the WB, Schumaker may have delivered the best Batman film of its time.

Angry with the executives decisions Schumaker saw the over editing as a slap in the face to his artistic “vision” therefore he slapped Batman in the face. He slapped us all with BATMAN & ROBIN. This was the death of the revival. It was also the death of the franchise.

For eight long years, fans have waited for the film of their lives, while non-fans made Batman the butt of every holy joke. Nipples, campiness, and everything in-between.

Then came BATMAN BEGINS, a dark tale of the beginnings of the Dark Knight.

Yet, some people were “tired” of seeing Batman, and then there is the fact that the fact that the Box office is in a HUGE slump anyway.

More people are concerned with their “DVD collections”. As Jett posted, once the DVD comes out it will make a lot more money. Also, it will be more accessible, and the wider audience will watch it “on their own time” making it more convenient for them to see BATMAN BEGINS for the first time.

Once they see the end of the film, and see what is to come, they will undoubtedly be excited to see the follow-up. Also, with the quality of filmmaking and the story of the film, it will get people’s attention.

This takes us to the title of the thread. With all of the positive buzz around the first film, and with the fact that people are going to realize that this is a restart, it will make even more buzz for the follow up film.

This film will also sport the most marketable and popular villain of all time. Plus the strong possibility a big time star, and great actor playing the role. BATMAN CONTINUES (which I guess for now is the “unofficial title”) promises to be the biggest Batman film yet.

With factors like the villain, the actors, and the first films success, critically, and praise from the fans and non fans alike, will lead to a new fan base: of the movies.


(NOTE: I did not argue at all that BATMAN BEGINS is better than either of the Spider-man films, or worse. I just compared the financial numbers of the films. I actually stake the claim that the next Batman film has the potential to post numbers in the same area code as the Spider-man films.)

For those of you that have taken the time to read all of this, thanks.

-R
 
Advanced Dark said:
Indy will be #1 period. End of story. Nobody cares about Indy LOL. Funniest post of the decade. Good one. LOL Nobody cares about Star Wars either. LOL

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Indy will be #1 period? Batman just can't help but stare at that huge gap of logic you got there.
 
Advanced Dark said:
Indy will be #1 period. End of story. Nobody cares about Indy LOL. Funniest post of the decade. Good one. LOL Nobody cares about Star Wars either. LOL

Star Wars has a larger fanbase, besides you havent said what makes you think Indiana Jones 4 would be a success. Meanwhile I have the fact that Indiana Jones 4 is constantly pushed back and delayed as proof. If a movie had the right buzz the studios would rush it out. Just because it has the most hits on a movie rumour web page or something doesnt mean genuine intrest. I mean wasnt Indiana Jones 4 schedule to come out in Summer 2005? That was the last I heard.......

But I mean hey let's pretend this is a movie pitch. Your the director/writer and I'm the exec. Convince me that in 2008 in a time where forced remakes and prequel struggled at the box office. Convince that I'm safely investing my money in a film that does have a fan base like Star Wars or a Comic Book Film even though this franchise has been done and over for nearly 2 decades.
 
^ Never happen. Doesn't have the appeal to as broad of an audience. It's too dark. Batman Begins was a great film but not suitable for the kids that go see Harry Potter. Yeah Harry Potter is dark but at least there are kids that the young ones can relate too and grew up with. Little kids can't associate with a film like Batman Begins other than say how cool it looks. It's just not suitable. Spiderman on film is in a league by itself right now. Batman might be just as well known but clearly not as popular on film.
 
Super_Ludacris said:
Star Wars has a larger fanbase, besides you havent said what makes you think Indiana Jones 4 would be a success. Meanwhile I have the fact that Indiana Jones 4 is constantly pushed back and delayed as proof. If a movie had the right buzz the studios would rush it out. Just because it has the most hits on a movie rumour web page or something doesnt mean genuine intrest. I mean wasnt Indiana Jones 4 schedule to come out in Summer 2005? That was the last I heard.......

Spielberg and Ford had to agree on the script before it was released. Neither wanted to rush out a crap product and destroy the ICON that Indiana Jones is. He's a film legend. You can't go out with a whimper. Trust me the buzz will pick up when people realize it's coming out. As of now just those who read industry updates and were at the licnesing show even know about it. Why will it be big?

#1: Harrison Ford
#2 Indiana Jones the character.
#3 Sean Conner is probably back.
#4 Steven Spielberg

'Nuff said.
 
Advanced Dark said:
^ Never happen. Doesn't have the appeal to as broad of an audience. It's too dark. Batman Begins was a great film but not suitable for the kids that go see Harry Potter. Yeah Harry Potter is dark but at least there are kids that the young ones can relate too and grew up with. Little kids can't associate with a film like Batman Begins other than say how cool it looks. It's just not suitable. Spiderman on film is in a league by itself right now. Batman might be just as well known but clearly not as popular on film.


The two most successful Batman films were considered dark so how you figure? People are not scared by how dark Batman is if anything that appeals to it because no one is trynna see a light Schumacher film. That's what killed the franchise.
Begins had to convince audiences not only that the franchise was watchable after a film that not only crippled the franchise but nearly the whole comic book genre but do it in a time when audiences were already sceptical of what to watch in a slump box office. And it did just that and whoever slept on the film was surely convinced as evident by the fact that was hugley successful on DVD and was one of the most critcally acclaimed films of 2005 (seriously look at the reviews for the flick and the dvd sales)

So that's a good set up for the continuation of a franchise to be successful and as of now theres nothing on the list of tentative 2008 release to threaten it other than another Harry Potter or Toy Story 3 and those will likely be released in the winter so it's got Summer and the majority of 08 on lock at this point
 
Advanced Dark said:
Spielberg and Ford had to agree on the script before it was released. Neither wanted to rush out a crap product and destroy the ICON that Indiana Jones is. He's a film legend. You can't go out with a whimper. Trust me the buzz will pick up when people realize it's coming out. As of now just those who read industry updates and were at the licnesing show even know about it. Why will it be big?

#1: Harrison Ford
#2 Indiana Jones the character.
#3 Sean Conner is probably back.
#4 Steven Spielberg

'Nuff said.


So your trying to convince me that the people will flock in masses to see a movie with a 60-something actor playing a lead? I'm sorry but from a studio standpoint even if Speilberg is directing that's a challenge to appeal to summer goers (and he aint god lately either, WOTW wasnt a classic by his standards)
If anything making another Indiana Jones with Harrison Ford at his age hurts the franchise and dampers his legend status. It's like Micheal Jordan coming back with the Wizards, Hulk Hogan returning slow and old to the WWE, Arnie making Terminator 3 (although that was ok but it wasnt a success) or Rocky 6 (that **** is gonna be painful to watch)
 
Super_Ludacris said:
So your trying to convince me that the people will flock in masses to see a movie with a 60-something actor playing a lead? I'm sorry but from a studio standpoint even if Speilberg is directing that's a challenge to appeal to summer goers (and he aint god lately either, WOTW wasnt a classic by his standards)
If anything making another Indiana Jones with Harrison Ford at his age hurts the franchise and dampers his legend status. It's like Micheal Jordan coming back with the Wizards, Hulk Hogan returning slow and old to the WWE, Arnie making Terminator 3 (although that was ok but it wasnt a success) or Rocky 6 (that **** is gonna be painful to watch)

Yes. That's exactly what I'm telling you. Terminator 3 c'mon. Rocky 6...just too much and bad scripts ruined the franchise. This last film might actually be good but Rocky 6 is not a 150 million dollar blockbuster in the making. It's a small film. You're making bad comparisons. Star Wars is more comparable. Indiana Jones is not a musclebound boxer, he's not a terminator, etc...He's still agile enough to portray Indiana Jones. In the end if you have a good pitch and fill running time up with a great movie...it'll fill the seats.
 

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