The Dark Knight Batman's Competition in 2008

[Dark Knight]

Not to the mainstreme public.

Exactly...

 

[Dark Knight]

umm... they both made more than there budget.....especially WOTW

Once again....everyone is getting into the making money....instead of worrying about making a great film.

WOTW sucked because it was just bland and boring.....who cares that it made more than its budget.....it wasn't a good film.

 

[Advanced Dark]

WOTW was one of the worst films I've ever seen considering the anticipation I had for an awesome remake. Kong is second on that list.

 

[Dark Knight]

For people saying Iron man is no competition...let me say, FF wasnt really 'well known'...or so claimed fanboys and it made 50 mil at BO...yeah its BO decreased but because of bad WOM. FF isnt as popular as Batman but it still beat it at opening weekend. Now if Iron man can attract audiences of all ages and if it has good word of mouth itll be some serious competition for Batman imo

and the FF movie sucked to by the way. Family films will always attract a different demographic than a greedy dark, with crime and edginess films like Batman Begins.

 

[Advanced Dark]

How will Wolverine beat Batman hands down?? Critically?? Or do you mean moneywise??

The Begins 2 sequel will have Joker involved and everybody and there mother can't wait to see that.

Wolverine doesn't even have a director yet.....and plus the Wolverine film better hope Avi Arad and Fox do not get too much involved....cause they will ruin the potential for the Wolverine movie! Your nuts...

Well the script review is in and it's nothing but positive in every word. Also Wolverine as a character will sell more tickets to kids than Batman. Batman has been more well known for much longer but Wolvie's the man right now and clearly by X3's #'s the box office should be quite strong. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Marvel shareholder but Batman Begins was superior in every way to Fantastic Four...but Wolverine vs Batman. Wolverine wins that battle.

 

[Advanced Dark]

See my SIG and vote now!

 

[StorminNorman]

Well the script review is in and it's nothing but positive in every word. Also Wolverine as a character will sell more tickets to kids than Batman. Batman has been more well known for much longer but Wolvie's the man right now and clearly by X3's #'s the box office should be quite strong. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Marvel shareholder but Batman Begins was superior in every way to Fantastic Four...but Wolverine vs Batman. Wolverine wins that battle.

Batman will beat Wolverine in 2008, why? Prep Time.

 

[StorminNorman]

I actually think the heavy load of big box office films in 2008 could help Bettany's position in trying to get the Joker role as well. If thats the case I hope every Superhero Movie in America comes out in 2008 - hell move Spiderman 3 back a year.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Prep time? LOL Wolverine has been in scripting stages with Benioff since 2004. It has WAY more prep time than Batman Begins 2. Read the script review where they talk about preptime. I see no way Batman has any chance of beating Wolverine with the Joker or whoever. Just look at X3's box office compared to Superman & Batman, FF, and every other franchise...except Spiderman. Wolverine is popular.

 

[StorminNorman]

^ Prep time? LOL Wolverine has been in scripting stages with Benioff since 2004. It has WAY more prep time than Batman Begins 2. Read the script review where they talk about preptime.

Someone does not understand the greatness of Prep Time

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Oh ok. Jackman, Benioff, Fox, and Wolverine as a character have had more preptime than Batman sequel. Wolverine was being written before X3. Are we talking about two different things?

 

[StorminNorman]

Batman with Preptime is more powerful than Mr. T and Chuck Norris combined!

 

[Katsuro]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Batman 2 makes more money than Wolverine. People loved Batman Begins, and they'll be excited to see it's sequel. Tons of people did not like X-Men 3 (as evidenced by a huge box office dropoff after it's first weekend), so they'll be much more wary of seeing a spinoff film.

 

[Milkman95]

Batman vs. Wolverine is a tough one to call. Wolverine has immense popularity from the X-Men film series and Batman is coming off a very successful re-launch and a film that will have the most popular comic book villian of all time in it, The Joker. It's a toss-up to me, and I can't make a prediction until I know who the director of Wolverine will be.

FF DID NOT have a bigger opening weekend than BB or SR by the way. BB and SR opened on Wednesday, so you can't compare them simply because of that. BB did an additional $24m on those two days while SR did $32m. It's safe to say most of that cash would come on the weekend from those audiences.

Because the weekend numbers decrease, I don't know if it's an advantage to release a film on Wednesday anymore unless you're Spider-man.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Batman vs. Wolverine is a tough one to call. Wolverine has immense popularity from the X-Men film series and Batman is coming off a very successful re-launch and a film that will have the most popular comic book villian of all time in it, The Joker. It's a toss-up to me, and I can't make a prediction until I know who the director of Wolverine will be.

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I agree but there is one big difference-Rothman
Ive read the script review and it is pretty good for Wolverine but who knows if the right director will be hired and if the movie will be given the respect and time it needs........With BB2 those are not worries

 

[Milkman95]

I agree but there is one big difference-Rothman
Ive read the script review and it is pretty good for Wolverine but who knows if the right director will be hired and if the movie will be given the respect and time it needs........With BB2 those are not worries

Yeah, Fox and Rothman have put out 2 disappointments the last two summers, but if a quality director is hired that could make all the difference.

 

[ultimatefan]

^ Oh ok. Jackman, Benioff, Fox, and Wolverine as a character have had more preptime than Batman sequel. Wolverine was being written before X3. Are we talking about two different things?

Nolan and Goyer made a basic outline for the whole Batman trilogy when they were still working on Begins.

 

[kytrigger]

^ Oh ok. Jackman, Benioff, Fox, and Wolverine as a character have had more preptime than Batman sequel. Wolverine was being written before X3. Are we talking about two different things?

He's not talking about actual prep time, he's making a joke.

On the comic book boards, there is always a debate going on that Batman could beat up Superman. A lot of people say that he could beat Superman if he had advanced warning/prep time. It's gotten so bad, that some people think that Batman could beat anyone if given "prep time". It's just a joke now, kind of like saying "the goddamn Batman".

 

[fabman]

I don't think Wolverine would beat Batman. Yeah, Wolverine could be the man right now but Catwoman showed that spin-offs don't really work on the big screen.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't think Wolverine would beat Batman. Yeah, Wolverine could be the man right now but Catwoman showed that spin-offs don't really work on the big screen.

Of all of Catwoman's problems being a spin-off wasn't one of them. In fact the fact it WAS NOT a spin off WAS one of its problems.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Exactly. There's zero appeal for a female superhero film amongst the primary demographic targeted for these fims...young men. You go to a superhero film to see action and your heroes...not boobs.

 

[StorminNorman]

^ Exactly. There's zero appeal for a female superhero film amongst the primary demographic targeted for these fims...young men. You go to a superhero film to see action and your heroes...not boobs.

Wow, that was not at all what I was talking about. That is similar to saying that an African American superhero would not do well because caucasian's are the majority in this country.

I think Wonder Woman will do very well. It has nothing to do with a woman superhero - hell I think any movie starring Hallie Berry kicking ass should sell big (action + boobs = $$$) If a woman superhero is handled properly there would be no problem.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Wow, that was not at all what I was talking about. That is similar to saying that an African American superhero would not do well because caucasian's are the majority in this country.

I think Wonder Woman will do very well. It has nothing to do with a woman superhero - hell I think any movie starring Hallie Berry kicking ass should sell big (action + boobs = $$$) If a woman superhero is handled properly there would be no problem.

Not really it's not the same. The young male dominant audience want to see the male heroes they look up to. It's a fact which is why femal superhero films fail on every single occassion. The majority does not want to see a superhero action film on the big screen with a female lead. Put the political correct crap in a bag and throw it out the window. There's no place for it in this discussion. As far as your african american scenerio goes your talking about a minority. So as racist as it may sound..it is not. Though you brought this issue up not me. There are no big named african american characters (or very few) that can hold their weight and anchor a superhero film. I think there's Blade, Black Panther, Luke Cage, and perhaps Deathlok...not of which are top tier characters. You have to remember all the popular heroes of today were developed in a society 30,40,50+ years ago that was comprised of a popoulation that had a majority of white people. These people draw and create heroes that "they" look up to or can relate too. There weren't alot of African americans in the business in a position to create heroes that they looked up to. Call it racist on there parts or just accept the fact that the studios are trying to make money and gear their advertising and campaign towards the largest pool of potential ticket buyers in the prime demographic. There's nothing wrong with that. Your never going to see a 300 million dollar film based on Luke Cage, Blade, Black Panther, etc...They dont' have the mass appeal worldwide. The characters history isn't there, it's not broad enough, and unfortunately there are still color lines out there. I don't like it but as a kid when you grow up and you find a hero you idolize there are many more characters (especially before the 80's) that were white. It wasn't that way because people were racists. They created these heroes in their own image. Things have slowly changed and the heroes out there are getting more diverse but still the heroes representing particular minorites will find themselves having a very difficult time gaining the same "poularity" amongst a broad audience. I'm being analytical here and honest. By the way my favorite superhero film is Blade 1 & 2, and my old screen name was blades_shades. I call it like it is.

As far as women go...that situation will never change. No young man grows up wanting to be Catwoman or Elektra so they won't flock to see these films so they can envision being them. Well let me take that back...no straight young man. LOL Kids love Wolverine because they want to be him, Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc...Perfect example is all the women went to see Prada this weekend. Is it wrong for the studio to target women in their advertising and not advertise with the same amount of money on sportschannels, and during shows that are poular withe young men like Blade? During Soap Opera's do you see TV commercials for the upcoming show of American Chopper? LOL No.

Now there are films with femal leads that have co-stars that support them, and a particularly popular storyline that supports them that will succeed like Aliens and Terminator 2 but the femal lead was never the reason anyone bought tickets to those films. They went to see the Aliens and the Terminator.

 

[StorminNorman]

Not really it's not the same. The young male dominant audience want to see the male heroes they look up to. It's a fact which is why femal superhero films fail on every single occassion. The majority does not want to see a superhero action film on the big screen with a female lead.

I think young male's enjoy seeing Superhero's they can connect with - however thats not the only way to make a Superhero film they can enjoy. Batman Begins was very popular - yet very few young males have been forced to witness the death of their parents and live with the burdens it cause - they can not fully understand the pain Batman feels. What make Batman Begins intresting is the fact its a good movie based around a kick-ass character. Get a hot woman playing a strong hero in a good movie and you get a similar formual. My favorite character in Sin City was Marv, and in no way did I look up to him, I liked him because he was a badass.

Put the political correct crap in a bag and throw it out the window. There's no place for it in this discussion. As far as your african american scenerio goes your talking about a minority. So as racist as it may sound..it is not. Though you brought this issue up not me. There are no big named african american characters (or very few) that can hold their weight and anchor a superhero film. I think there's Blade, Black Panther, Luke Cage, and perhaps Deathlok...not of which are top tier characters. You have to remember all the popular heroes of today were developed in a society 30,40,50+ years ago that was comprised of a popoulation that had a majority of white people. These people draw and create heroes that "they" look up to or can relate too. There weren't alot of African americans in the business in a position to create heroes that they looked up to. Call it racist on there parts or just accept the fact that the studios are trying to make money and gear their advertising and campaign towards the largest pool of potential ticket buyers in the prime demographic.

While not in any major Superhero movies, Will Smith is a highly bankable action star, why? because he is fun to watch. Race has nothing to do with it. I expect any Green Latern movie to star John Stuart as the main GL (despite what Jack Black thinks) because he would be a black Superhero where DC has very few.

There's nothing wrong with that. Your never going to see a 300 million dollar film based on Luke Cage, Blade, Black Panther, etc...They dont' have the mass appeal worldwide. The characters history isn't there, it's not broad enough, and unfortunately there are still color lines out there. I don't like it but as a kid when you grow up and you find a hero you idolize there are many more characters (especially before the 80's) that were white. It wasn't that way because people were racists. They created these heroes in their own image. Things have slowly changed and the heroes out there are getting more diverse but still the heroes representing particular minorites will find themselves having a very difficult time gaining the same "poularity" amongst a broad audience. I'm being analytical here and honest. By the way my favorite superhero film is Blade 1 & 2, and my old screen name was blades_shades. I call it like it is.

I think a Green Latern movie staring a black GL could do as well as your normal Superhero movie. I don't believe race has anything to do with it.

As far as women go...that situation will never change. No young man grows up wanting to be Catwoman or Elektra so they won't flock to see these films so they can envision being them. Kids love Wolverine because they want to be him, Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc...Perfect example is all the women went to see Prada this weekend. Is it wrong for the studio to target women in their advertising and not advertise with the same amount of money on sportschannels, and during shows that are poular withe young men like Blade? During Soap Opera's do you see TV commercials for the upcoming show of American Chopper? LOL No.

No young men wanted to grow up to be Daredevil either - however it made a killing opening weekend, it didnt make big numbers because of poor reviews and bad WOM. Great, fun movies will bring in the people - no matter the star. Wonder Woman will make 200+ Million next year.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ You have no argument. I'm not referring to the character experiences on film. I'm referring to the appeal of the character to the prime audience...young males. The majority of the audience that went to see X3 would not have bought a ticket if the film centered around Storm and their were no male leads. You'll never see a major tentpole summer event films based on a female superhero bring in big bucks until the primary demographic for these films are female. Never happen. As far as Will Smith is concerned I'm not sure how bankable he'd be as a superhero. Look at Wild Wild West for example. I'm talking about Hero films not comedies or regular action films. The reason superhero films usually have huge opening weekends is because of the "fan factor". There aren't alot of Black Panther fans compared to Spiderman, Batman, etc...It's not because they're black or white directly it's because they have no long history with the majority of the fans watching these films. It's really difficult to explain without someone coming out the woodwork screaming racism. My point (regarding the African American point you raised) again was about the popularity of minority superheros only. I'm not referring to how popular an African American actor is. Those lines were broken long ago. Again you have to look at who the film is trying to appeal too.