BBC's Sherlock: Series 2

[Doctor Jones]

I'll be open minded for the American Sherlock thing. Hopefully it's in good hands. I was actually just thinking this today. What would it be like if everything in Sherlock was Americanized? On one hand it's like, Jesus, can't the Brits keep one thing to themselves? On the other it opens up possibilities.

Still, it has a lot to measure up to with this Sherlock. Because it's going to be hard to get an actor to match Cumberbatch in greatness.

 

[onthelowdown]

The Americans have already done Sherlock.
They called it House.

 

[Orb]

From the big man, Moffat himself regarding the suicide survival:

"All of the fair clues were in there - NO-ONE HAS SPOTTED THE BIGGIE."

 

[The Englishman]

I'll be open minded for the American Sherlock thing. Hopefully it's in good hands. I was actually just thinking this today. What would it be like if everything in Sherlock was Americanized? On one hand it's like, Jesus, can't the Brits keep one thing to themselves? On the other it opens up possibilities.

Still, it has a lot to measure up to with this Sherlock. Because it's going to be hard to get an actor to match Cumberbatch in greatness.

Why does everything need to be Americanized??

 

[Kahoot]

From the big man, Moffat himself regarding the suicide survival:

Is it the big "IOU" as Watson races back to the cab after walking in on the land lady? Probably not...

 

[Sawyer]

How ****ed up would it be if they got an English actor to play Holmes, but still made him play the role American?

 

[The Caped Knight]

This version of Moriarty is very much like Heath Ledge's punk rock version of The Joker . While Jared Harris portrayal of Moriarty is more of a direct adaptation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle envision from the novels.

This article basically point out the same conclusion I picked up upon regarding Moriarty as The Joker
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/james-butlin/sherlock-batman-_b_1208608.html

 

[Frodo]

Why does everything need to be Americanized??

I'm of this view too...and i'm American. . I think if you're gonna do an American Holmes, they try to come up with your own concept , don't just do an American version of Sherlock.

I also agree, we already have 2 american Holmes's anyway, House and The Mentalist.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Just watched it, good episode.
I assume he spoke to his brother for his help or something for a double. He kept telling him to look at him.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'll be open minded for the American Sherlock thing. Hopefully it's in good hands. I was actually just thinking this today. What would it be like if everything in Sherlock was Americanized? On one hand it's like, Jesus, can't the Brits keep one thing to themselves? On the other it opens up possibilities.

Still, it has a lot to measure up to with this Sherlock. Because it's going to be hard to get an actor to match Cumberbatch in greatness.

I don't really see such a big difference. Except that environments might be a little more interesting (since the US has a lot more diverse backdrops), and there would be more shooting.

Actually, this show has a relatively small-scale. The characters never leave the country, even though they obviously did in the books, with the Reichenbach fall.

That said, I don't see the point.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I think it sounds stupid and implies Americans are uncultured. Sherlock is not in a foreign language nor is this show poor in quility. It sounds just like a lame cash-in assuming Americans are so into themselfs that they will only watch something set in America. Yee haw.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm of this view too...and i'm American. . I think if you're gonna do an American Holmes, they try to come up with your own concept , don't just do an American version of Sherlock.

I also agree, we already have 2 american Holmes's anyway, House and The Mentalist.

Monk was also based off Holmes, though not quite as direct as House was.

Like I said before though, in a world where inter-station crossovers is possible, I would love to see this Sherlock have a case where he has to go to America, and somehow meet Doctor House. Who else thinks that the interaction between those two could be comic gold?

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's funny when you consider that Sherlock Holmes was alive during a lot of Westerns, in the late 1800's. Can't really picture Sherlock in the Old West.

As for the show, I was disappointed they never left the UK. I would assume Sherlock is multilingual. They did mention in the pilot that he went to America for a case, so there is some precedent.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

"That's what you do. You sell a big lie, wrap it up in a truth to make it more palatable."
"Must be sowing doubt into other people's minds for the last twenty-four hours."
"There's only one thing left for him to do to complete his game and that's -"
"-something I need to do."
"On my own"

The "something" could be offing Holmes - which would lead him to saying "I think I'm going to die."

"You're wrong you know. You do count - you've always counted and I've always trusted you. You were right - I'm not ok."
"Tell me what's wrong"
"Molly, I think I'm going to die."
"What do you need?"
"I wasn't everything that you think I am. Everything that I think I am. Would you still want to help me?"
"What do you need?"
"You."

So Molly handles the body.

Sherlock is waiting to find out the key to the code before he makes his move, and the moment he thinks he's got it, he texts Moriarty saying "Come and play. Bart's Hospital rooftop. SH"
So the entire Hospital jump is a set up by Sherlock and Molly.
"PS. Got something of yours you might want back."
What? It can't be the code... because Moriarty would have known it. Possibly "the plan" to off Sherlock? I don't know, but what's this line about? I know it's meant to make you think about the code, but I don't think so.

Then we see Sherlock playing around with the code. Has anyone tried translating it to letters? Maybe there's a message in there...

At this point, Watson gets the call and Sherlock is calm. Who calls Watson? Paramedics - who deals with Sherlock's body? Paramedics.

"Alone is what I have. Alone protects me." - Sherlock
"Friends protect people." - Watson



And then on the roof, Sherlock plays with the binary code again. Translation anyone?

"Daylight robbery. All it takes is some willing participants." -Moriarty. Sherlock must have done the same - bribed people off.

Again, Sherlock brings up his death but not how he came up with the conclusion. How does Moriarty respond? "Fairy tales." Is there something in year? A story we're missing?

When Sherlock mentions people, he mentions Lestrade (who he has always seen as an idiot) but doesn't mention Molly (who mattered from the beginning, but he made Moriarty believe he didn't care for her).


Sherlock mentions he has to kill himself to complete Moriarty's story. Again, is there an homage to a fairy tale?

When he asks for a moment of privacy, the truck has already been parked there for a while.

"I'm like you" - Sherlock (As in making the world believe a lie about you?)


When Watson appears, Sherlock tells him to stand EXACTLY where the other building would have obstructed his view of the truck and the ground below."Tell Lestrade and Mrs Hudson" as to call of the assassins? "It was a magic trick." Is he really talking about his death? "Don't move. Stay EXACTLY where you are." John almost came around the building in the way. "Keep your eyes fixed on me." Sherlock doesn't want Watson to see the truck. "This phonecall is a note." It's meant to be studied?

John loses sight of Sherlock as he falls.
Also, between Sherlock's drop and the body hitting the ground, there should have been another second or two, so clearly if he did land, he landed early (into the garbage truck). The angle we see a body hit the floor is on the ground, and we just see the body drop in frame. Maybe he hands in the truck and rolls into frame.

Now, the bike comes up behind Watson - not pedelling. Once Watson sees a body from afar, the biker speeds up and knocks over the doctor. He watches John fall too.

Truck drives away.
Who takes Sherlock away? Paramedics! Mind you, they didn't even check his vitals or anything - they let John do that. My guess is Sherlock did something to drop his heartrate.



I think the big thing we missed are the paramedics.

 

[chamber-music]

CBS should just co-produce the next season of BBC Sherlock like the Starz did with Torchwood. That would up the budget, create more episodes and do an episode or two where Holmes and Watson come to new york to solve a case.

 

[The Englishman]

I think it sounds stupid and implies Americans are uncultured. Sherlock is not in a foreign language nor is this show poor in quility. It sounds just like a lame cash-in assuming Americans are so into themselfs that they will only watch something set in America. Yee haw.

I agree with this statement

 

[Doctor Jones]

But why is it when Americans always do something it's met with hostility? Americanized has seemed to become synonymous with **** on its own. It's always assumed that it's going to be **** because it's Americanized. I'm sure there are English tv shows that are **** over there.

With RDJ playing Sherlock it was only really a matter of time. Now I do agree that the English should keep some of their stuff, because if everything became Americanized, then it would get out of hand. Let them at least keep James Bond and Harry Potter.

We don't know anything about this show yet. It could be good. Give it a chance is all I'm saying. I'm sure people balked at the idea of Sherlock in the modern world at first.

 

[jonathancrane]

CBS should just co-produce the next season of BBC Sherlock like the Starz did with Torchwood. That would up the budget, create more episodes and do an episode or two where Holmes and Watson come to new york to solve a case.

I would prefer CBS retain its distance from Sherlock. Along with the rest of American networks.

BBC is already producing a season's length of episodes in the three they release for each series, so there is not a need to produce more. I actually enjoy the format and hope they retain it. And, as for the America angle, it might be interesting, but I would rather have Gatiss/Moffat handle it than someone else. Otherwise, it would become"Sherlock Holmes in America," and devolve into an incoherent mess of jokes about the cultural disparities between the US and England.


And, as for the CBS series they are producing, I will watch it because I am a Sherlock Holmes fan, and will try to view it with an open mind, but the transplanted setting might be difficult to digest. Or, if it is in good hands, it might turn out to be interesting.

We shall see. Regardless, I will be adding it to my Holmes collection. Hopefully they will release in on Bluray, as I am done purchasing DVDs.

 

[Crockett]

I'll give Elementary a chance but I just can't shake off the feeling that it got green-lit based on the success of BBC's Sherlock's since it manages to be great adaptation even though it's set in the present time. But like I said, I'll give it a chance.

 

[chamber-music]

But why is it when Americans always do something it's met with hostility? Americanized has seemed to become synonymous with **** on its own. It's always assumed that it's going to be **** because it's Americanized. I'm sure there are English tv shows that are **** over there.

With RDJ playing Sherlock it was only really a matter of time. Now I do agree that the English should keep some of their stuff, because if everything became Americanized, then it would get out of hand. Let them at least keep James Bond and Harry Potter.

We don't know anything about this show yet. It could be good. Give it a chance is all I'm saying. I'm sure people balked at the idea of Sherlock in the modern world at first.

I'm not against American adaptations of British shows but usually they often fail.

For every success such as Office, Steptoe And Son (Sanford And Son), Man About The House (Threes Company), Till Death Us Do Part (All In The Family) there are ton of poorly remade failures such as

Life On Mars, Teachers, Skins, Prime Suspect, Fawlty Towers, Coupling, Cracker, One Foot In The Grave, Men Behaving Badly, The Elventh Hour, The Young One, Blackpool, Red Dwarf, the lsit goes on and on. You can see why people arre weary.

Outside of reality type shows there aren't that many remakes of American TV shows as we tend to just show them over here instead of trying to remake them. The ones that are remade often flop as well.

British reality shows sure do go down well stateside though such as American Idol, Supernanny, Kitchen Nightmares, The Weakest Link, Celebrity Fit Club, Trading Spaces, Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, and on

 

[Kahoot]

Are game shows reality shows now?

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Something most people have been overlooking about Sherlock's "note", why did he decide to call John instead of texting him? To my knowledge it's the first phone call Sherlock has placed on the show.

 

[Frodo]

But why is it when Americans always do something it's met with hostility? Americanized has seemed to become synonymous with **** on its own. It's always assumed that it's going to be **** because it's Americanized. I'm sure there are English tv shows that are **** over there.

With RDJ playing Sherlock it was only really a matter of time. Now I do agree that the English should keep some of their stuff, because if everything became Americanized, then it would get out of hand. Let them at least keep James Bond and Harry Potter.

We don't know anything about this show yet. It could be good. Give it a chance is all I'm saying. I'm sure people balked at the idea of Sherlock in the modern world at first.

Well to me its just lazy. All they're doing is an American version of Sherlock. My arguement is ,if you're gonna do an American Holmes, which in itself isn't a problem imo, do your own thing with it . Come at the Holmes myth from a new point of view...in other words, bring something new to the table. Guy Ritchie and the BBC have done new takes on Holmes bringing their own ideas to the table where this sounds like a US version of Sherlock which really isn't trying very hard.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I would prefer CBS retain its distance from Sherlock. Along with the rest of American networks.

BBC is already producing a season's length of episodes in the three they release for each series, so there is not a need to produce more. I actually enjoy the format and hope they retain it. And, as for the America angle, it might be interesting, but I would rather have Gatiss/Moffat handle it than someone else. Otherwise, it would become"Sherlock Holmes in America," and devolve into an incoherent mess of jokes about the cultural disparities between the US and England.


And, as for the CBS series they are producing, I will watch it because I am a Sherlock Holmes fan, and will try to view it with an open mind, but the transplanted setting might be difficult to digest. Or, if it is in good hands, it might turn out to be interesting.

We shall see. Regardless, I will be adding it to my Holmes collection. Hopefully they will release in on Bluray, as I am done purchasing DVDs.

Um...they're really not. We get four and a half hours total. That's not even close to a normal season of television. Heck, a short pilot season usually consists of 6 to hour long episodes. And once the show get's picked up they increase it to 15 to 20. So we're really not getting a full season at all.

And honestly, I would have no problem with receiving more episodes per season. I love this show, so the more the better. Provided the quality doesn't dip of course.

 

[Dr Lee]

actually, for the UK, 4/5/6 hours in a season is normal.