Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 1

[idiot09]

You do realise that being less violent doesn't mean 'lightening it up', don't you?

And okay, that's fine. You don't mind an ultra violent Batman, similar to The Punisher. I don't see any credible creative storyline that requires Batman to be that violent. None at all. To make him that violent is violence for violence's sake.

When I said lightening it up, I meant less violent, less brutal, more kid friendly.

And yes I dont mind a violent story with Batman like Daredevil.

 

[Polux]

You do realise that being less violent doesn't mean 'lightening it up', don't you?

And okay, that's fine. You don't mind an ultra violent Batman, similar to The Punisher. I don't see any credible creative storyline that requires Batman to be that violent. None at all. To make him that violent is violence for violence's sake.

You.

It doesn't mean that other people (say, I don't know, the creators/filmmakers) won't see it either.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Batman as a concept is inherently violent. What are people expecting? For him to love tap henchmen and rogues? This is bordering on pedantic.

THIS IS MUH BATTAMAHN!!

Master of 136 different martial arts and techniques.

 

[The Shape]

You do realise that being less violent doesn't mean 'lightening it up', don't you?

And okay, that's fine. You don't mind an ultra violent Batman, similar to The Punisher. I don't see any credible creative storyline that requires Batman to be that violent. None at all. To make him that violent is violence for violence's sake.

He made a comparison to Daredevil, not the Punisher.

Is Daredevil's fighting style (along with the show's execution of those fight sequences) too brutal for a Batman film?

 

[2kt09]

Deja Vu discussion on why brutal Batman is desired.

Think Cap, DD, or Black Panther...

Mix it up with some covert ninja takedowns, I guess.

 

[THE WOLF]

I just want to see a Batman with great hand to hand fighting skills for once

 

[BlueLanternKal]

And that's what we got in BvS.

Dial down the life taking 0.5 while maintaining the same level of brutality and I'll be right as rain.

I do not mind a Batman that enjoys breaking bones and crippling triggermen for life.

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[FunkMiller]

And that's what we got in BvS.

Dial down the life taking 0.5 while maintaining the same level of brutality and I'll be right as rain.

I do not mind a Batman that enjoys breaking bones and crippling triggermen for life.

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I have no problem with a Batman comfortable with violence, I just find this obsession with making him as violent as possible for no other reason than to see him commit acts of violence to be very childish.

But I'll concede that I'm in the minority on this thread about that and will withdraw from this particular conversation.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I just want to see a Batman with great hand to hand fighting skills for once

We saw that already, best fight scene ever for Batman in BvS. I laughed so much when he punched that one thug into the floor.
I'm just dying to see Joker get his teeth knocked out.

 

[Da-Scribe]

This conversation lol. I pray Batman continues to muff criminals into the floorboards.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

This conversation lol. I pray Batman continues to muff criminals into the floorboards.

#ILoveBrutalBats

 

[THE WOLF]

We saw that already, best fight scene ever for Batman in BvS. I'm just dying to see Joker get his teeth knocked out.

True. Just expanded upon. And him fighting someone (Deathstroke) one on one.

 

[morningmimosa]

I pity the dude that has to clean up the theater seats after that Batman/Deathstroke fight scene.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

And that's what we got in BvS.

Dial down the life taking 0.5 while maintaining the same level of brutality and I'll be right as rain.

I do not mind a Batman that enjoys breaking bones and crippling triggermen for life.

I look forward to them explaining how Batman hasn't already beaten the joker to death over Jason Todd when he has no problem permanently crippling faceless henchmen

Not trying to stir up trouble, its just something I'm genuinely curious about. Should be quite a story for them to tell.

 

[Micromind]

I look forward to them explaining how Batman hasn't already beaten the joker to death over Jason Todd when he has no problem permanently crippling faceless henchmen

Not trying to stir up trouble, its just something I'm genuinely curious about. Should be quite a story for them to tell.

Why is it difficult to accept that the way Batman operated in BvS was not how he usually fights, the Batman as shown in BvS is meaner, cruel and angry version of his former self ?

After the events of Zod's invasion, Batman was maniplated gradually by Lex and he changed into more ruthless type of vigilante, that doesn't mean that after the Superman's death he will continue to fight as he did in BvS movie.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I look forward to them explaining how Batman hasn't already beaten the joker to death over Jason Todd when he has no problem permanently crippling faceless henchmen

Not trying to stir up trouble, its just something I'm genuinely curious about. Should be quite a story for them to tell.

I don't really think it needs much explanation. Batman just never got the chance. Or he thought Arkham would be a worse option than death.

 

[Micromind]

I don't really think it needs much explanation. Batman just never got the chance. Or he thought Arkham would be a worse option than death.

Simple answer would be that his attention was drawn towards how to neutralize threat posed by "Superman" in future, Joker was just another thug in comparison to evil Kryptonians, so he gave it a lesser priority.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

It was said he beat Joker up because of the dead Robin. Is it so hard to imagine he may not have gotten another chance to do more damage? And/or Batman post BZE was a different Batman from the one who killed Jason? It was BZE that turned him into a man who drives over people in the Batmobile.

 

[The Guard]

If Batman doesn't kill The Joker for what he does, it's probably because society has deemed The Joker insane, and not entirely responsible for his actions. Whether that's entirely accurate or not.

That, and he likely just didn't encounter The Joker during the time he was going through his murderous rampage phase because that happened before the Black Zero event.

It seems like maybe Batman put The Joker and/or Harley Quinn away after the death of Jason Todd or shortly afterward and prior to the Black Zero event, and Joker was in Arkham or in hiding ever since.

 

[THE WOLF]

Black zero event happened in 2013

The Batman and Joker Harley/Chase scene was in 2014

BvS took place in October/November 2015

 

[shauner111]

That's exactly what I meant. Batman has always been a brawler and brutal but we've never seen him like he was in BvS or rumored to have been with The Joker. Some of those guys in that warehouse fight are sucking through straws for the rest of their lives.

I don't like that. Batman should be punishing criminals yes. But he shouldn't be turning them into vegetables. There's violent, and then there's making Batman a character without compassion for human lives. Criminal or not, i don't want to see Batman being a complete ******* where i'm like "okay Bats, that's over the line". That's what BvS Batman was to me.

 

[morningmimosa]

Those poor imaginary thugs. Let's face it, with Batman's power and technique, he only needs to punch you once in the face and you're doomed (if we're talking about real life). But it's a damn CBM, he's gonna stop branding and killing people and the bone breaking will and should continue.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

^This random thugs don't stand a chance.

Only reason KGBeast's mooks lasted so long in the warehouse was because they were trained mercenaries.

You throw Batfleck at some Falcone thugs they would have either run away or gotten OHKO'd by the Bat.

 

[morningmimosa]

They kept coming and therefore had an delicious arse woopin coming, too. It's not like they were unconsciously lying around and he kept punching the s*** out of them.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Whatever, hopefully he smashes a Parademon's face in.