Justice League Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 5

[Polux]

t:

I think Batman's ability to deal with parademons was inconsistent through the movie; he didn't that that much trouble at the beginning, but later on he did...

Although I don't dislike it so much; if he deals with parademons the way he does with thugs (although, trained mercenaries), then PDs shouldn't be a problem for the rest of the league, they should be nothing...he should struggle with them definitely, but maybe he struggled a bit too much??

Is important to notice that when it comes to being on the field, Batman should be the underdog definitely.

 

[FatRobin]

That looks like he’s taking a dump.

We've fallen a long way from this.

Nah I know you hate the Snyderverse but that's hyperbolic speaking. Both poses are used in comics all the time. It's actually a pretty cool shot imo, but they kinda ruined it a bit with the CGI or something.

 

[idiot09]

When I first saw the movie I thought the scene was "obviously Snyder" but that it felt a little off...like he was "turning it down a bit", if that makes sense?? When learning that Whedon did it, it made sense; Joss directs very good and fluid action, I'd say, but something very characteristic of Snyder's action if the "weight" of the movements, as fast as they are, they have impact, you can feel the "crunch" so to speak, while Joss' action is more like ballet...

I don't know if I'm making sense, but what I mean is that as least in the "look" of the scene and how Batman is presented, I can see what the cast and producers were saying about "Joss adapting to Zack's style".

Apparently that was the only instance (actually, there were a couple more moments I can't remember right now).

I get what you mean. Snyder's action has that "weight", where you feel every punch, its hardcore, there's that sound of the bone crunching. The sound design is what makes it so...visceral.

That looks like he’s taking a dump.

What? Its classic Batman.

 

[FatRobin]

When I first saw the movie I thought the scene was "obviously Snyder" but that it felt a little off...like he was "turning it down a bit", if that makes sense?? When learning that Whedon did it, it made sense; Joss directs very good and fluid action, I'd say, but something very characteristic of Snyder's action if the "weight" of the movements, as fast as they are, they have impact, you can feel the "crunch" so to speak, while Joss' action is more like ballet...

I don't know if I'm making sense, but what I mean is that as least in the "look" of the scene and how Batman is presented, I can see what the cast and producers were saying about "Joss adapting to Zack's style".

Apparently that was the only instance (actually, there were a couple more moments I can't remember right now).

I had the same feeling It looked like Snyder but the action was a bit all over the place, it was hard to follow. I felt relieved when I knew that it was actually Whedon.

I get what you mean. Snyder's action has that "weight", where you feel every punch, its hardcore, there's that sound of the bone crunching. The sound design is what makes it so...visceral.



What? Its classic Batman.

Spoiler

Exactly. Thanks for finding better pictures than mine

 

[FunkMiller]

What? Its classic Batman.

Yeah. Classic Batman squeezing off a loaf.

It’d probably help if it weren’t 100%, muddy as **** CGI, to be fair.

 

[Predator jp]

it just means that 1 Parademon is as strong as 20+ human thugs t:

 

[GothamBat]

When I first saw the movie I thought the scene was "obviously Snyder" but that it felt a little off...like he was "turning it down a bit", if that makes sense?? When learning that Whedon did it, it made sense; Joss directs very good and fluid action, I'd say, but something very characteristic of Snyder's action if the "weight" of the movements, as fast as they are, they have impact, you can feel the "crunch" so to speak, while Joss' action is more like ballet...

I don't know if I'm making sense, but what I mean is that as least in the "look" of the scene and how Batman is presented, I can see what the cast and producers were saying about "Joss adapting to Zack's style".

Apparently that was the only instance (actually, there were a couple more moments I can't remember right now).

I remember thinking the same thing. "Oh ok good this is definitely Snyder". But after it finished I was left unsatisfied and unconvinced that it was actually his stuff. The things that threw me off were
1. The quirkiness of the robber interacting with Batman, how he wasn't afraid at all when he showed up and the general cartoonish nature of how the scene played out. It felt like a cartoon show. A far cry from Baman introduction in BVS.
2. The bright fluorescent green of the parademon goo. Again, really cartoonish aesthetically.
3. The fact that there was barely any build up and that it felt really perfunctory and like whoever directed it was just getting it done and not truly soaking in how awesome the scene was supposed to be.

 

[Vaibow]

Exactly, any criminal seeing batman face to face should be terrified, not only cos it's batman, but because the batman we saw in BvS was a brutal judge, jury and executioner - it's not as if Bruce spoke out 'hey bad guys, i've changed, no more branding anymore, just a slap around the ear and off ya go'

 

[FunkMiller]

Exactly, any criminal seeing batman face to face should be terrified, not only cos it's batman, but because the batman we saw in BvS was a brutal judge, jury and executioner - it's not as if Bruce spoke out 'hey bad guys, i've changed, no more branding anymore, just a slap around the ear and off ya go'

 

[Reel-Man]

Hey, perfect, you found a gif of my face when i stumble upon your posts.

 

[GothamBat]

hey, perfect, you found a gif of all our faces when we stumble upon your posts.

fify

 

[FunkMiller]

Hey, perfect, you found a gif of my face when i stumble upon your posts.

Touché.

But if you want an actual judge jury and executioner, rather than trying to crowbar Batman into being one for no good reason other than I guess you might be a teenager, why not check out the guy who knows how to actually do it?

http://assets.******************.com/content/uploads/2017/08/Judge-Dredd-3.png

 

[Reel-Man]

Touché.

But if you want an actual judge jury and executioner, rather than trying to crowbar Batman into being one for no good reason other than I guess you might be a teenager, why not check out the guy who knows how to actually do it?

http://assets.******************.com/content/uploads/2017/08/Judge-Dredd-3.png

Glad we were able to laugh about it. This forum needs more moments like these. t:

 

[FunkMiller]

Glad we were able to laugh about it. This forum needs more moments like these. t:

Oh yeah taking this stuff too seriously is no good to anyone t:

 

[Reel-Man]

Oh yeah taking this stuff too seriously is no good to anyone t:

 

[Vaibow]

What's your problem? Or point?

I am saying the criminal should be terrified based on what was set before with BvS... did i ever say i felt it was right or what i wanted?

If you're going to contribute to the board, do it with your own individual ideas and opinions, rather than hide behind a gif.

 

[Verick808]

I am saying the criminal should be terrified based on what was set before with BvS... did i ever say i felt it was right or what i wanted?

Wasn't his attitude in BvS a fairly recent development that he was over with by the end of the film? Honestly a criminal should be frightened by Batman regardless of whether or not he's killing or branding people.

 

[Verick808]

I remember thinking the same thing. "Oh ok good this is definitely Snyder". But after it finished I was left unsatisfied and unconvinced that it was actually his stuff. The things that threw me off were
1. The quirkiness of the robber interacting with Batman, how he wasn't afraid at all when he showed up and the general cartoonish nature of how the scene played out. It felt like a cartoon show. A far cry from Baman introduction in BVS.
2. The bright fluorescent green of the parademon goo. Again, really cartoonish aesthetically.
3. The fact that there was barely any build up and that it felt really perfunctory and like whoever directed it was just getting it done and not truly soaking in how awesome the scene was supposed to be.

The film was interesting in that I could see some of Snyders flaws in the film but none of his strengths. There was nothing as visually powerful or satisfying as what I'm used to seeing from him.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Essentially Whedon (with WB's help) cancelled out all of Snyder's strengths and the groundwork layed by Snyder and the time crunch countered Whedon's strong points leaving only either's weaknesses.

- Snyder's amazing atmosphere was muted by Joss's generic shooting style and his overexposed color grading style
- Snyder's tension building was completely ruined with all the quips and jokes galore.
- Joss's soft action style took all of the bite out of the intensity that Snyder brings with his action and ended up making everyone look lackluster (particularily the villain).
- Whedon's simple but rock solid quick plotting clashed with Snyder's more layered but leap heavy (and occasionally plot holey) slow style to create a confused narrative.
- Whedon's meta style undercut the gritty real vibe that Snyder does so well.

 

[TheRedWraith]

The thug scene definitely had a faux Snyder tone but couldn't make it due to the acting from the theif being goofy and way too meta (a big problem with the film), that mixed with his physical ability going beyond belief in being able to stand on an edge like that and not fall off at the speed he was flung there, that alone completely broke any real world tone Snyder would have gone for and made the Whedon influence very obvious.

If Whedon had wanted to make it more Snyder the thug should have been scared out of his mind by not only Batman (who should terrify any low level criminal whether he is a killer or not), but also by the gigantic demonic looking insect creature that just popped out of nowhere and tried to eat him then suddenly exploded. Which would leave him in no mood for idle, to meta, chatter with Bats, in addition Bats would never let a criminal get away with crime, and to fix his tone breaking physical ability he should have been over the edge dangling on the side of the building completely suspended by the line.

 

[kguillou]

So help me, I'm gonna defend Whedon but I actually like that opening Batman from a visual standpoint. I liked finally getting a good look at Gotham City and for what it's worth I thought Whedon rendered Gotham the way Snyder would. It looked dark and smokey and atmospheric just like the comic books. I have several problems with Whedon changes in this movie but I really dig the Gotham City cold open.

 

[TheRedWraith]

The scenery wasn't what was wrong with that sequence though, the tone, how everyone acted, and the convenience of the Parademon cartoonishly exploding leaving behind the three motherbox imprint clue was.

 

[kguillou]

True that. No argument there. I did kinda like how it was sort of an homage to the opening scene of Justice League: Origins/War that started the New 52.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

The scenery wasn't what was wrong with that sequence though, the tone, how everyone acted, and the convenience of the Parademon cartoonishly exploding leaving behind the three motherbox imprint clue was.

Man.........
What were they thinking?

Ridiculous

 

[Black Narcissus]

Maaaaaaan,

I'm going to miss Batfleck in the cowl. The first time I felt Bruce Wayne was one the big screen straight from the comics. Dude gave everything he had on BvS and it did not payoff. Material just let him down. That brief moment with Cavill at the farm, it was Superman and Batman from the comics come to life. Shame we only got instances of those two like that. I know it might be a throw away line or even a roll eye moment, but that scene of him talking about fixing up the manor...like King Arthur's round table...Shame he won't be part of it. Maybe even for the best in the long run. It just stings as a Batman fan to have the material not live up to the performer.