Justice League Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 6

[shauner111]

How is Keaton’s Batman going back to Earth 1 with Barry and being his own version of Batman (not “replacing” Affleck) not an understanding of the multiverse? Because he doesn’t stay in his own world?

Flash going back to kill Joe Chill for Affleck’s Bruce is touching though.

Maybe not misunderstanding but I’ll put it this way. I think it wouldn’t be wise to make that jump until later. Baby steps for the general public is the way to go. Introduce the concept of the multi-verse by first showing how there are multiple universes that exist at the same time. Spend time in each separate world. And take it from there by having new films WITHIN those separate worlds. Then after a few movies that are successful (Earth One movie with Aquaman, Earth 2 movie with Keaton from the Burtonverse, Earth 3 movie with Pattinson)...thennnnn you pluck Keaton from Earth 2 and BOOM he’s now operating inside Earth 1.

WB rushed their first ever shared universe after Man of Steel. Now I get the feeling they’re gonna introduce their own multi-verse and rush it too, by getting too excited with the premise. They don’t know how to take their time. They want results IMMEDIATELY and it always backfires. So hopefully we stick with Keaton as a supporting character in a Batgirl movie and she’s not Simmons’ daughter and Keats isn’t suddenly a fish out of water inside a Detroit-Gotham City.

 

[shauner111]

Basically, it wouldn’t shock me if by the end of The Flash, Keaton is already in grimy Detroit. That is a recipe for disaster. Taaaake your tiiiime bruh.

 

[emielaen]

Maybe not misunderstanding but I’ll put it this way. I think it wouldn’t be wise to make that jump until later. Baby steps for the general public is the way to go. Introduce the concept of the multi-verse by first showing how there are multiple universes that exist at the same time. Spend time in each separate world. And take it from there by having new films WITHIN those separate worlds. Then after a few movies that are successful (Earth One movie with Aquaman, Earth 2 movie with Keaton from the Burtonverse, Earth 3 movie with Pattinson)...thennnnn you pluck Keaton from Earth 2 and BOOM he’s now operating inside Earth 1.

WB rushed their first ever shared universe after Man of Steel. Now I get the feeling they’re gonna introduce their own multi-verse and rush it too, by getting too excited with the premise. They don’t know how to take their time. They want results IMMEDIATELY and it always backfires. So hopefully we stick with Keaton as a supporting character in a Batgirl movie and she’s not Simmons’ daughter and Keats isn’t suddenly a fish out of water inside a Detroit-Gotham City.

Ahhh I see. I agree. But they don’t seem too keen on rushing rn. Building out corners of the world seem to be where their focus is. I know Sarnoff said they wanna have connected stuff, but I’m not anticipating a JL2 any time soon. That statement felt like a later on type of thing. Flash being set up a year ago in a TV show shows me that they have a plan and will use that to really shift things. I think Flash is solely for introducing him and the multiverse, maybe even the latter more so. JSA in Black Adam screams plans to me. Lol they certainly have plans. It’s about following through, being patient, and not being reactionary at this point.

 

[shauner111]

Agreed. That would be wise. I just don’t trust their instincts or plans most of the time.

I’d like to see ONE movie with Keaton in Burton’s Gotham (of course created by a different director). If we can look at 89, Returns and Batgirl (?) as a trilogy that would be awesome. 1) Urban legend creature turned superhero 2) Batman in his prime as the story escalates into monsters attempting to run the city 3) elderly Wayne training the next generation.

Burtonverse, Nolanverse, Snyderverse and ReeVerse will have all had their own trilogies.

 

[emielaen]

Yeah, Burton does not need to be involved here. Lol but before the Batgirl rumors, I imagined Flash would be that one film, but we’ll see. Looks like they wanna use him a couple times. It’ll be interesting to see where they go with it

 

[Erzengel]

I don't want Batgirl to be Batman Beyond.

 

[MbJ]

I honestly don't think all that much thought was put into the "Multiverse" rebranding. From context clues, I'm guessing what happened is at one point, they wanted Reeves' movie to still be a prequel set firmly in the DCEU, but he obviously didn't want to do that (remember the negotiations breaking down due to creative differences before a deal was reached). As time goes on and Ben leaves the role, they feel less and less incentive to stick to an established canon due to the very hit or miss reception of the previous DCEU films, so they cave and let him make The Batman a standalone thing in its own universe.

Then, just to make it seem like there is still some kind of overarching plan for the DCEU, they start using the Earth 1 and Earth 2 stuff. I'm guessing that's gonna be used to justify future instances of reboots or recasts. I'm still holding out hope we get Henry back as Superman in Shazam 2, but I could absolutely see them eventually just saying "Screw it, Earth 2" and doing a reboot down the line.

 

[Vaibow]

I seriously doubt Keaton replaces Affleck in his universe. It makes no sense and it would show how DC films have no idea what a multi-verse means.

My theory is that Barry Allen goes back in time and stops Joe Chill from killing Bruce’s parents (after he has a final goodbye to Batfleck). Nobody dies and Bruce goes on to live a somewhat “normal” billionaire lifestyle following in the footsteps of Thomas/Martha. Batman does not exist on Earth 1 anymore. Barry took away Bruce’s pain but Flash knows there are multiple universes where different Bruce Wayne’s exist and operate in the shadows as Batman.

Throughout the second act, he witnesses Keaton’s Batman as a 70 year old loner in a gothic fairytale of a city and possibly befriends him. Is there a way for Barry to bring Keaton into his Earth One because although he gave his friend Ben Affleck/Batfleck his ultimate wish (to see his mom and dad again)...now the consequence is that Gotham is an even worse **** hole and has nobody protecting it. And what if another alien invasion hits? So although I’m of the belief that Flash sees Keaton in the Burtonverse and they simply continue in that world when they do a Batgirl movie....IF you’re gonna try to bring Keaton into the Justice League universe, i would have Flash bring Keaton into Earth One where he meets J.K Simmons/Gordon’s 20 year old daughter Barbara. Keaton then mentors her and acts as a Nic Fury to Ezra, Gal, Jason and Henry’s League. Again that’s not how I’d go about it because I think it’s too confusing and defeats the purpose of having a multi-verse in the first place. But I wouldn’t put it passed them.

I DO think Batfleck doesn’t die but his past is fixed by the Flash and he never grows up to be Batman. Instead of Snyder’s sacrificial death, we get a more optimistic ending for that version of Bruce Wayne. He literally walks off in the distance, happy as Bruce Wayne.

brilliant......... purely brilliant, a great director will make this epic.... giving bruce, a tormented bruce, a life he never knew, whilst suddenly a mentor arrives and fixes Gotham, with help.

 

[emielaen]

I don't want Batgirl to be Batman Beyond.

I see where people are coming from with this, but there's nothing stopping them from just doing both. I never even thought that Batgirl being mentored by Batman would somehow interfere with Beyond also happening.

 

[Vaibow]

I don't want Batgirl to be Batman Beyond.

Woke Hollywood does....


Also, what if Bruce and Thomas Wayne partner up to still do something Bat related..... like batman inc. Or they do indeed take in a robin and he becomes knightwing.

 

[shauner111]

Batman Beyond works perfect with Keaton but another man playing Batman is overkill atm. Sorry that’s not woke Hollywood. Batgirl makes more sense than Terry right now and it doesn’t have to take characters that are exclusive to Beyond either. We don’t need to see flying cars, a dog named Ace, Keaton walking with a cane etc. If anything I’d take more from Kingdom Come and TDKReturns with the Carrie Kelly stuff.

Then deliver a proper Batman Beyond adaptation down the road. Either with Keaton as he jumps back to the Burtonverse (with Flash’s help) OR without Keaton. Mel Gibson would crush it!

 

[Primal Slayer]

Ben opens up about his career. The Batman part of the article

However, the eight years since then have been anything but smooth sailing for Affleck. Just six months after the Academy Awards, he baffled the industry — and lost a lot of goodwill — when it was announced that he had signed on to play Batman in Zack Snyder's Warner Bros. comic book adaptation Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Here was a guy who had been given in a second chance, and this was what he wanted to do with it? Did he need money that badly?

That film came out in 2016 and had the eighth-biggest opening weekend on record — but also registered at just 28 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. He reprised the character in Suicide Squad (2016), which received even worse reviews, and in Justice League (2017), Todd McCarthy's THR review of which noted that Affleck "looks like he'd rather be almost anywhere else."

How does he look back at that time now?

"I did Batman because I wanted to do it for my kids," explains Affleck, who has agreed to don the Batsuit one more time in The Flash, which is due out in 2022. "I wanted to do something that my son would dig. I mean, my kids didn't see Argo." He continues, "Zack [Snyder] wanted to do a version of the Frank Miller Dark Knight graphic novel series, which is a really good version of that. Unfortunately, there are a lot of reasons why things go the way they do in the movie business, and just because your face is on the poster doesn't mean that you're dictating all of those things — and even if you were, that they would go well." He adds, "I wore the suit to my son's birthday party, which was worth every moment of suffering on Justice League."

'Awards Chatter' Podcast — Ben Affleck ('The Way Back')

 

[SupermanFan]

It does still make me laugh that he did an R rated Batman film for his kids. Didn’t really think that one through did you Ben? Lol

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Ben opens up about his career. The Batman part of the article

Non of the cast had a good experience with the reshoot it seems which is sad.

 

[Da-Scribe]

It does still make me laugh that he did an R rated Batman film for his kids. Didn’t really think that one through did you Ben? Lol

Eh, I watched R rated films as a kid. My nieces and nephews do now as well. An R doesn’t automatically mean you must shield all the children lol.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Non of the cast had a good experience with the reshoot it seems which is sad.

He doesnt mention the reshoot so I think he just didnt have a good experience in general. He mentioned that he started drinking again when they started to film the movie.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

He doesnt mention the reshoot so I think he just didnt have a good experience in general. He mentioned that he started drinking again when they started to film the movie.

Yeah during that time his marriage was falling apart.

 

[MbJ]

Coming at this from his perspective, you have to consider what it was like going into this, especially that comment about becoming the face of a picture whether or not what went wrong was your fault. He clearly believes in Snyder's take, signs on to do that and commits the hell out of it. The fanboys on the internet aren't kind and for months on end his casting is mocked, scrutinized and criticized before anyone has even seen it. He spends months of grueling training getting into the best shape of his life and gives an extremely intense, dedicated performance.

Then the movie comes out and is widely panned, sending the studio into a panic when it also doesn't hit the financial projections they were anticipating. He's clearly upset by this in subsequent interviews and then his own dour reaction unexpectedly becomes a wildly popular meme. So now this movie he believes in and was really invested in is the subject of mockery, and he unwittingly becomes the face of that, "Why did you say that name?!" and all. (Though, ironically, even many of the detractors cite his performance as a major high point and agree he did a good job.)

He's probably already in a bad place going into the sequel and then the disastrous Whedon reshoots come, coupled with his drinking spiraling out of control, his personal demons wreaking havoc and his marriage crumbling. That's all gotta be a lot, and it's not surprising he had to step away after that.

 

[idiot09]

Affleck was gonna walk during JL reshoots. He left because he saw what was happening with JL, and knew the same thing would happen to his film since it was dark. Wise decision, Affleck.

He still talks about how much he loves BvS, how critics were unnecesarily harsh towards it, supported the movement, and went back for additional photography for Zack..

Add that to his personal demons, Live by night bombing, clickbait culture at its worst etc, I think he made a good decision. I dont like it as a fan, but I understand it. Some things matter more than movies.

 

[SupermanFan]

Eh, I watched R rated films as a kid. My nieces and nephews do now as well. An R doesn’t automatically mean you must shield all the children lol.

Not every kid does and there’s a cut off. It’s still funny doing and R rated version of something for your kids.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Not every kid does and there’s a cut off. It’s still funny doing and R rated version of something for your kids.

BvS was PG-13 which is what he signed up to do. Everything afterwards is pure buisness.

 

[MbJ]

Regardless of the intentional it's also obvious the studio viewed it as a four quadrant blockbuster and likely had no intention of allowing it to go out with an R-rating. R-rated movies aimed squarely at adults don't get 250 million dollar budgets.

 

[SupermanFan]

BvS was PG-13 which is what he signed up to do. Everything afterwards is pure buisness.

Snyder intended to release the R rate version first it was WB who made him cut it to 2hours 30 so he signed on for the film that was R.

 

[SupermanFan]

Something I do think now in hindsight is it was probably a mistake to go with Ben from WB’s perspective. While I think he’s great in the role they clearly wanted him to be the face of the franchise, the DC Films equivalent of Iron Man and Ben was never gonna commit for that. I actually think things could have been less messy now if someone else had been cast as Batman.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Snyder intended to release the R rate version first it was WB who made him cut it to 2hours 30 so he signed on for the film that was R.

Did he though? The film isnt rated until its filmed so when he got the script he couldve easily have seen it being PG-13 lol.

Something I do think now in hindsight is it was probably a mistake to go with Ben from WB’s perspective. While I think he’s great in the role they clearly wanted him to be the face of the franchise, the DC Films equivalent of Iron Man and Ben was never gonna commit for that. I actually think things could have been less messy now if someone else had been cast as Batman.

He seemed pretty committed. He did a cameo in Suicide Squad, was supposed to have his own solo franchise. Had all of his appearances not be torn to rubbish and the films made profit+positive reviews, he likely would've stayed on. But 3 films back2back that were trashed? Easier on him to just say im done.