Apocalypse Ben Hardy Joins the Cast of ‘X-Men: Apocalypse’

[X-Maniac]

No it didn't.

Don't be absurd. You have more intelligence than that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

First Class ignored a whole lot of stuff because, clearly, it was originally intended as a reboot. That's what Vaughn kept saying early on. Then they changed their mind and tied it to the existing franchise.

Well it was Bryan singer who changed a lot of that continuity

bryan singer: "Some things you let go. In X-Men 3 Bolivar Trask was an African-American guy, in X-Men 1 I personally wrote the line that of course I now regret: ‘When I was 17, I met a young man named Erik Lensherr’ and then in X-Men: First Class I changed that! Some of these I hope the audience will forget about but for the bulk of it I pay attention to the universe."

And even if you say FC was meant to be a reboot there is more making it feel like a prequel then there is a reboot

 

[Tymminator]

I wished the Bent bullet stuff was put on the Rogue cut as extras.

 

[kasjan]

Singer could do better job with fitting all things.
Bolivar Trask from X3 could be nephew of 70's Bolivar Trask, and could care of Trask Industries in present time.
In X1 Magneto said he saw Liberty Statue when was teenager, and they could give a flasback scene with this in FC, as teenage Charles met teenage Erik near Liberty Island, but they become friends 13 years later in 1962.
But...

 

[EnDz0n3]

The Bill Duke thing (unlike Moira Mactaggert, Warren Worthington III, and blonde, diamond-powered Emma) they have the legitimate excuse to say there are many "Trask"s in the world, unless he was named Bolivar in the movie or the credits which i don't think he was.

 

[GuestStar2004]

the fact singer even brought it up means he was aware the character was in X3 but obviously chose to ignore it

 

[PЯOVOSҬ]

I'd say Angel.

 

[Mutant 77]

Angel in "The Last Stand" (2005) was 40.
The Flashback scene is placed in 1977. He was 12.
Ignore the superimpressed timestamp. It's wrong.

 

[kasjan]

Angel in "The Last Stand" (2005) was 40.

 

[The Guard]

The sad thing is, I can almost buy Ben Foster's Warren as a really sheltered 40 year old.

Who stopped working out as much as Ben Hardy's Warren...

 

[Majik1387]

This guy is still on about the time-stamp willful ignorance?

 

[rebellion]

Angel in "The Last Stand" (2005) was 40.
The Flashback scene is placed in 1977. He was 12.
Ignore the superimpressed timestamp. It's wrong.

''superimpressed'' timestamp?

call it 'fun' all you want, but i honestly think you have a problem.

 

[Mutant 77]

''superimpressed'' timestamp?

call it 'fun' all you want, but i honestly think you have a problem.

I'm not English, English is not my mother language, and your behaviour is very anti-social for a forum. Calm down, kid.

This guy is still on about the time-stamp willful ignorance?

Deal with it. Singer has already chosen: he retconned those dates. If you don't deal with it, you're pretty much delusional.

Cyclops, Jean and Storm were 40 in the OT. 2004-2005.

 

[kasjan]

Cyclops, Jean and Storm were mature, teachers for younger mutants.
Warren was in Kitty, Iceman, Colossus and Rogue age.

 

[Majik1387]

Deal with it. Singer has already chosen: he retconned those dates. If you don't deal with it, you're pretty much delusional.

No, Singer is not ignoring time-stamps, he's ignoring what he didn't find working for his movies, aka pretty much all of X3 and WO.

If you think it's only timestamps, I think you're the delusional one.

 

[Mutant 77]

No, Singer is not ignoring time-stamps, he's ignoring what he didn't find working for his movies, aka pretty much all of X3 and WO.

If you think it's only timestamps, I think you're the delusional one.

X3 and Origins are part of the original continuity. Deal with it.

About Origins:


It has been proved to DEATH that "XM Origins" is part of the Original Timeline continuity.

It is referenced in "The Wolverine".
It is referenced in "Days of Future Past".

So "XM Origins" definitely happened (in the original timeline) and it's not a standalone "alternate story/what if story" movie at all.

Director and producers also confirmed that.

This means having Cyclops as being 16 years old in 1981 is still CANON for the new timeline too.

And this means Wade Wilson is born before 1973 and it's the same Wade Wilson you see in "XM Origins", only living a different life (he never joined Team X).

 

[Majik1387]

None of original continuity exists anymore; I still don't know why this is even still a discussion.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Nothing In original trilogy and first 2 wolverine films is relvent anymore.

Even with DOFP Singer took a pick and chooce approach to what to acknowledge from Origins and Last Stand.

The debate is pointless.Singer confirmed on rogue cut audio Commantary much of films have been erased with DOFP time travel.I have maintained since DOFP came out the film didn't resolve any of contunity problems it just erased all the films that First Class
would have conflicted with.thus Apocalypse and other films only have to deal with events of FC/DOFP

 

[CaptainWagner]

None of original continuity exists anymore; I still don't know why this is even still a discussion.

Same here. I've honestly given up that it's going to stop and am just no longer attempting to refute arguments.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think the problem is when you say the original continuity doesn't exist anymore people still question how the original continuity fits in with the new one and honestly i doubt bryan singer is taking all that much care in keeping much continuity beyond a hand full of things

 

[Majik1387]

I just don't see why it's so hard to understand everything prior to Mystique's choice of assassination and the epilogue of DoFP is the only stuff in continuity now.

 

[Super Jim]

Nothing In original trilogy and first 2 wolverine films is relvent anymore.

Even with DOFP Singer took a pick and chooce approach to what to acknowledge from Origins and Last Stand.

The debate is pointless.Singer confirmed on rogue cut audio Commantary much of films have been erased with DOFP time travel.I have maintained since DOFP came out the film didn't resolve any of contunity problems it just erased all the films that First Class
would have conflicted with.thus Apocalypse and other films only have to deal with events of FC/DOFP

Although I agree with this to a point, there are still things that we were shown in Origins and Last Stand (as well as all of the other movies) that still apply, even if the events of those movies now, in this new timeline, never happen.

The most important, as others have indicated, is that any character that was born prior to 1973 still exists in this new timeline and their age cannot be altered (at least, shouldn't be, if Singer and Kinberg actually cared about maintaining a functional, working timline).

For example, Wade Wilson was between (giving a broad range) 20 and 30 (or so) years old in Origins. That means that in the original timeline (and, by the way, the revised timeline as well) he was born around the year 1959! Since this is prior to 1973 it can't be changed (unless they want to just plain forget Origins (and who can blame them), but since they used scenes in DoFP, then they're kinda stuck! Yes, the Weapon XI mucked up version may not (actually hopefully not) have ever happened, but his age is finite. This causes more continuity issues as it appears that his new movie is set in the present-ish? I mean, Colossus is there, and we saw him at the mansion in the Wolvie wake-up scene, so... This means that he's what, supposed to be (using the younger 20 years old in Origins option) 55 years old or so? Anyone else see a problem?

Another example is Emma (the "good one" - wow, can't believe that the First Class one is considered the good one). She was obviously around say 30 (or older) in First Class, 1962, so she can't all of a sudden come back (unless they had her put her mind on the astral plane and then brought her back by putting her brain into the body of some comatose person - I know I've seen that used before somewhere...).

Anyway, the point is that Fox has allowed this X-Men movieverse timeline to become some Frankensteinian blasphemy. They should be taking steps to fix and maintain it, but that seems contrary to Singer and Kinberg's thought process!

 

[Mutant 77]

Although I agree with this to a point, there are still things that we were shown in Origins and Last Stand (as well as all of the other movies) that still apply, even if the events of those movies now, in this new timeline, never happen.

The most important, as others have indicated, is that any character that was born prior to 1973 still exists in this new timeline and their age cannot be altered (at least, shouldn't be, if Singer and Kinberg actually cared about maintaining a functional, working timline).

For example, Wade Wilson was between (giving a broad range) 20 and 30 (or so) years old in Origins. That means that in the original timeline (and, by the way, the revised timeline as well) he was born around the year 1959! Since this is prior to 1973 it can't be changed (unless they want to just plain forget Origins (and who can blame them), but since they used scenes in DoFP, then they're kinda stuck! Yes, the Weapon XI mucked up version may not (actually hopefully not) have ever happened, but his age is finite. This causes more continuity issues as it appears that his new movie is set in the present-ish? I mean, Colossus is there, and we saw him at the mansion in the Wolvie wake-up scene, so... This means that he's what, supposed to be (using the younger 20 years old in Origins option) 55 years old or so? Anyone else see a problem?

Another example is Emma (the "good one" - wow, can't believe that the First Class one is considered the good one). She was obviously around say 30 (or older) in First Class, 1962, so she can't all of a sudden come back (unless they had her put her mind on the astral plane and then brought her back by putting her brain into the body of some comatose person - I know I've seen that used before somewhere...).

Anyway, the point is that Fox has allowed this X-Men movieverse timeline to become some Frankensteinian blasphemy. They should be taking steps to fix and maintain it, but that seems contrary to Singer and Kinberg's thought process!

Thank you so much, someone still uses his brain.......

Don't forget "Deadpool" has regenerative powers, so if they performed the procedure on him in the nineties, well, that means his aging process is slowed down.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Cyclops, Jean and Storm were mature, teachers for younger mutants.
Warren was in Kitty, Iceman, Colossus and Rogue age.

At first, they made Angel being around 22, not the same age than Bobby, Rogue. But with FC, DOPF, Apocalypse, they changed their mind. Hes finally same generation than Cyclops because he is in Apocalypse in 83.

None of original continuity exists anymore; I still don't know why this is even still a discussion.

original continuity doesnt exist anymore but pre-1973 always exists. We always repeat that, how many times it will have to be told

Forget timestamp for Angel and Jean. Introduction of Jean, Erik, Xavier didnt set 20 yo before X3 because X3=2006 and Jean teenager in Apo=1983

 

[Majik1387]

You forget the timestamp only because all of post-1973 doesn't exist.

Enough with the picking and choosing. It's more tired than the Ivan Ooze complaint.