Ben Kingsley's return

[T"Challa]

Given that the movie made a ridiculous amount of money, got good critical reviews, and most of the GA really liked it, I kind of doubt that Marvel cares much that some internet fans, which are a TINY minority, didn't like the movie. For Marvel, it was a huge success.

People don't seem to grasp this point

 

[Xeno]

Spoiler

Killian was a thousand times better than the comic book Mandarin ever was.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

All I ask is this,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Mandrin1.jpg/250px-Mandrin1.jpg

is it too much to ask for the comics Mandarin

*sigh* but we got exactly that. okay, the rain was missing. but everything else was there.

If they do that i think everybody should turn their backs on them. That's not taking liberties thats flatout mocking and taking advantage of the audience. I mean we paid for an Iron Man film and we got Leather Weapon Bang Bang no 36564 and now they are going to undo their twist (which was enjoyable, stupid as hell but enjoyable) ? Iron Man 3 in my book is a dumb movie that you have fun watching. A terrible Iron Man movie and a very bad script considering the director/writer rehashed the exact same plot devices and elements from ALL his previous films. They did one ballsy thing and that was the twist. They shouldn't change it. I'm in for more Trevol Slattery, Ben Kingsley was awesome but no Mandarin.

oh, yeah, you're absolutely right. the super powered, exploding people in Last Boy Scout, the drunken actor posing as a terrorist in Last Action Hero, the brain slot mcGuffin in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, the surprise twist in Lethal Weapon... he really is just repeating himself

 

[A Necessary Evil]

All I ask is this,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Mandrin1.jpg/250px-Mandrin1.jpg

is it too much to ask for the comics Mandarin

lol yes because he's a stereotypical piece of crap character, who's best trait is that he is/considered to be iron man's least worst villain.

I'm sure if there's a decent portayel of deadpool that people will forgive Barakapool too

ok well yeah no that's different. Barakapool was nothing like his character, and instead of them doing something like, persay "switching" wade's powers (he's not even a freakin' mutant to begin with anyways) into Creed, sure, fine. Wouldn't have been the worst that movie did, even though it would still suck. With Mandarin, the only real difference is he wasn't chinese, nor did he have power rings.

 

[Green Goblin]

Killain was not The Mandarin, his powers, his look and his alter ego are different. The only thing the two have in common is they know martial arts and are rich. I don't remember anybody complaing about The Mandarin's "status" leading up to IM3. When the first trailer hit people were like, "Oh this looks great! Kingsly is going to own that role!" or even "Watch out folks! The Mandarin will be the next Joker!". The twist failed in my opinion for several reasons. Here's why,
They tried to do what Nolan did with his Batman movies in the sense of giving the film political commentary. So why did The Dark Knight succeed and Iron Man 3 fail IMO? The Dark Knight was at heart, a Batman vs Joker movie with political subtext. With Iron Man 3 I thought the twist felt forced, it went out of it's way to be politically relevant.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Killain was not The Mandarin, his powers, his look and his alter ego are different.

stopped reading after that

 

[Green Goblin]

stopped reading after that

How am I wrong? Did you see ten alien rings on Killain? Was Killain Asian?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

How am I wrong? Did you see ten alien rings on Killain? Was Killain Asian?

so the core of the character Mandarin for you is Asian guy with alien rings?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

core of the character Iron Man is billionaire american with metal suit...

 

[Green Goblin]

so the core of the character Mandarin for you is Asian guy with alien rings?

Perhaps not so much the race but the powers yea. Also he didn't have the motive to destroy the west that the comics version had.

 

[Green Goblin]

core of the character Iron Man is billionaire american with metal suit...

Exactly, if they pulled a mandarin on Iron Man it would be a guy not called Tony Stark, he does not have Iron Man armour and is Asian. His superpower is completely different (shoots fire?). The only thing the two have in common is they are both billionaires and are geniuses. They also are both called Iron Man...

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Perhaps not so much the race but the powers yea. Also he didn't have the motive to destroy the west that the comics version had.

that's a very old school interpretation of the character, though and by far not the only one. lately the Mandarin has actually been portrayed as more of a suave businessman and scientist who manipulates people in the shadowsjust like Killian. Killian’s plot was very obviously inspired by the comic arc in Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (#15-18). In that particular story arc, it depicts a very modern Mandarin in which he manipulates people (including Maya Hansen) as a CEO businessman in order to gain access to Extremis with plans of “cleansing humanity”, while supporting terrorists in the shadows. comic Mandarin in his core always was a super-humanly skilled martial artist and a mad scientist who schemes to cause World War III so he can rule the ashes. he is extremely athletic and fights with karate chops through his chi powers. his design has Chinese dragon motifs and he has ties with the dragon-like character Fin Fang Foom.now compared to Killian in IM3: he is a superhuman martial artist and a mad scientist who schemes to control and expand the War On Terror so he can profit from the ashes. he is athletic and fights with karate chops through his Extremis abilities. he has dragon tattoos on his chest, in which they are described by director Shane Black as a reference to Fin Fang Foom.
as far as I see, they depicted him very well, they just didn't use the siver age depictions but a couple of more contemporary ones and used the old school silver age stuff with Trevor instead. Black re-invented the character by using the classic appearance of the Mandarin to create the terrorist persona, while using the modern interpretation of the Mandarin to create Aldrich Killian.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Killain was not The Mandarin, his powers, his look and his alter ego are different. The only thing the two have in common is they know martial arts and are rich. I don't remember anybody complaing about The Mandarin's "status" leading up to IM3. When the first trailer hit people were like, "Oh this looks great! Kingsly is going to own that role!" or even "Watch out folks! The Mandarin will be the next Joker!". The twist failed in my opinion for several reasons. Here's why,
They tried to do what Nolan did with his Batman movies in the sense of giving the film political commentary. So why did The Dark Knight succeed and Iron Man 3 fail IMO? The Dark Knight was at heart, a Batman vs Joker movie with political subtext. With Iron Man 3 I thought the twist felt forced, it went out of it's way to be politically relevant.

Okay A) The look doesn't matter. Last I checked, Whiplash didn't wear the Crimson Dynamo suit in the comics, Abomination was more fishlike- not monsterlike in the comics, Kurse looks different in Thor: TDW than his comic incarnation.

B) His powers and ego? The only difference is that he doesn't have rings that shoot out magical/worldly elements. In one of his MANY comic book incarnations (because nobody knows how to make him cool), he's a genius scientist, a skilled martial artist, and a megalomaniac. Sound familiar there bud? If you really wanna go that far, then Stark himself is a god awful character, because in the comics, he's not fun and always has a witty retort, he's a bore of a human being.

C) People weren't complaining about Mandarin's status, because nobody cared about him to begin with. Hell, I'd still go far as to say Iron Man isn't popular, but RDJ's Tony/Iron Man is popular. Now, Kingsley's interpretation of the "Mandarin", yeah, that was good. It is slightly disappointing about the twist, but here's the thing...what do you do afterwards? Because you have to have him confront Stark at the finale, and you don't build up some supervillain to have him not fight him. I would have being laughing my ass off at the awfulness of seeing Kingsley fight Stark with power rings. It's absurd, and another reason to justify Aldrich using a mask to control the war on terror, which funnily enough, is somewhat something mandarin did.

Anymore questions?

 

[metaphysician]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=27083059#post27083059

I'm sure Marvel are totally fine with the fan community being very split on the potrayal of Iron Man's arch nemesis...

I'm sure Marvel doesn't *care* that the fan community split, when the movie was otherwise an enormous success. Repeat after me: "Comic fans don't matter, there are too few to effect success or failure."

 

[seahammer]

It was certainly unique, I'll give you that...

lol.

that's a very old school interpretation of the character, though and by far not the only one. lately the Mandarin has actually been portrayed as more of a suave businessman and scientist who manipulates people in the shadowsjust like Killian. Killian’s plot was very obviously inspired by the comic arc in Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (#15-18). In that particular story arc, it depicts a very modern Mandarin in which he manipulates people (including Maya Hansen) as a CEO businessman in order to gain access to Extremis with plans of “cleansing humanity”, while supporting terrorists in the shadows. comic Mandarin in his core always was a super-humanly skilled martial artist and a mad scientist who schemes to cause World War III so he can rule the ashes. he is extremely athletic and fights with karate chops through his chi powers. his design has Chinese dragon motifs and he has ties with the dragon-like character Fin Fang Foom.now compared to Killian in IM3: he is a superhuman martial artist and a mad scientist who schemes to control and expand the War On Terror so he can profit from the ashes. he is athletic and fights with karate chops through his Extremis abilities. he has dragon tattoos on his chest, in which they are described by director Shane Black as a reference to Fin Fang Foom.
as far as I see, they depicted him very well, they just didn't use the siver age depictions but a couple of more contemporary ones and used the old school silver age stuff with Trevor instead. Black re-invented the character by using the classic appearance of the Mandarin to create the terrorist persona, while using the modern interpretation of the Mandarin to create Aldrich Killian.

Thanks, RH. This post should come printed with copies of the IM3 blu ray, because people don't seem to get it on their own.

Marvel was never going to use the alien rings, they've been saying for a long time that they just don't fit in Iron Man's movie world. So Killian is the closest we were going to get to the Mandarin regardless of who played him…

This is where race comes in. I know people who hate Mandarkillian say that race doesn't matter to them and it's not the reason they're upset, BUT i would bet money that if we got the exact same portrayal that Guy Pierce gave us, but if the character was played by Daniel Dae Kim and the character was named Chan Hon or something, those people would A.) think it was a wonderful adaptation of the Mandarin, or B.) be complaining that the twist was soooo obvious that only a child wouldn't have seen it coming. Just can't win, I suppose.

EDIT: Just read A Necessary Evil's post above. Spot on, as well.

 

[MrMaooz]

Killain was not The Mandarin, his powers, his look and his alter ego are different. The only thing the two have in common is they know martial arts and are rich. I don't remember anybody complaing about The Mandarin's "status" leading up to IM3. When the first trailer hit people were like, "Oh this looks great! Kingsly is going to own that role!" or even "Watch out folks! The Mandarin will be the next Joker!". The twist failed in my opinion for several reasons. Here's why,
They tried to do what Nolan did with his Batman movies in the sense of giving the film political commentary. So why did The Dark Knight succeed and Iron Man 3 fail IMO? The Dark Knight was at heart, a Batman vs Joker movie with political subtext. With Iron Man 3 I thought the twist felt forced, it went out of it's way to be politically relevant.

The twist was great and so was the movie.

Oh and Killian was the Mandarin.

 

[Green Goblin]

I anticipate The Joker or Shikamaru posting here.

Any minute now...

 

[Oscorp]

The twist was great and so was the movie.

Oh and Killian was the Mandarin.

This

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I anticipate The Joker or Shikamaru posting here.

Any minute now...

I'm really not trolling / trying to be a dick, but I hope that you aren't relying on them for backup of your own opinion...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

When the first trailer hit people were like, "Oh this looks great! Kingsly is going to own that role!" or even "Watch out folks! The Mandarin will be the next Joker!".

They say that about EVERY villain. I heard the same thing about Red Skull, Loki, Bane, Lizard, and Zod. In every case it is either wishful thinking on behalf of a few obsessed fans or simple marketing hype.

They'll be saying the same thing about Ultron too.

 

[InternetPeople]

I'm really not trolling / trying to be a dick, but I hope that you aren't relying on them for backup of your own opinion...

If someone needs support from others to believe in their opinion then they do not have much faith in their opinion to start with.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

core of the character Iron Man is billionaire american with metal suit...

Bruce Wayne!

 

[OcStat]

I enjoyed Iron Man 2 when it first came out but Iron Man 3 to me surpassed it in every way. Nothing in the trilogy is as thrilling as Iron Man saving the Air Force One crew. None of the last rights are as exciting to watch as the Oil Rig. It was the perfect culmination of all the great things that have come before it, and a new director to add just enough of a different style to keep it from getting repetitive. It does interesting things with the narrative, action scenes, tech and characters, especially Tony. I very much enjoy that this sequel took the time to focus on him, it felt his character was kind of stagnant in Iron Man 2, and after Avengers and IM3 as well Tony Stark has progressed. And his story isn't over. Makes me very excited to see what happens with Thor and Captain America, what state will the big 3 be in when they all regroup?

 

[chaseter]

Marvel has nothing to apologize for on the Mandarin. I'm glad they did it and I look forward to seeing Sir Ben give us a wonderful performance.

I hope when Red Skull returns, he takes off his red mask and he is actually a giant lizard man and he calls forth his lizard army to take over the Earth.

OR

Thanos is revealed to be an intergalactic tv show host and he is just trying to create great television.

OR

Loki turns good and opens an Asgardian daycare.

It's a choose your own adventure!

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

Kingsly could have made a good mandarin the ten alien rings concept was quite expandable in terms of MCU and could even have lead to further titles on Galactic level .
Killian was ok in many cases but two villains could have done the job right too .